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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    How would they use the money to create more jobs? Details please.
    Well, they could invest in infrastructure projects like building roads/schools which create jobs?

    (Original post by meenu89)
    Should the Government create jobs?
    Well, it should if the alternative is to give money for doing nothing.
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    (Original post by KD35)
    Well, they could invest in infrastructure projects like building roads/schools which create jobs?
    They could do. Why would this necessitate cutting benefits?
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    (Original post by KD35)
    Well, they could invest in infrastructure projects like building roads/schools which create jobs?



    Well, it should if the alternative is to give money for doing nothing.
    Well said
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    They could do. Why would this necessitate cutting benefits?
    We can't keep spending- the more we borrow the more we have to spend on interest!
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    Welfare is too high in the UK. It's so high that it actually proves better for people to stay living off benefits than working a 40 hour week on minimum wage! Too much of a disincentive to work, which is why we are producing a generation that will happily live of them. Benefits should be there as a last resort for people who do not have enough disposable income to survive.

    If you were a family of four and both of the parents were unemployed, you would earn child benefits, job seekers allowance, a sizeable housing benefit as well as the thrill of paying no tax. This culture is denuding taxation revenue; I understand that some families need benefits and thats acceptable, but people who have the capability to work and choose not to are the reason why we have a deficit. Sort it out Osbourne.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    They could do. Why would this necessitate cutting benefits?
    Becuase, the government has a budget deficit and it is a bit unfair that everyone pays tax to pay for people that don't contribute anything. If it used the money spent on benefits on jobs, maybe a lot of the people that were on benefits would be able to get these jobs?
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    (Original post by jakethecake2008)
    Welfare is too high in the UK. It's so high that it actually proves better for people to stay living off benefits than working a 40 hour week on minimum wage! Too much of a disincentive to work, which is why we are producing a generation that will happily live of them. Benefits should be there as a last resort for people who do not have enough disposable income to survive.

    If you were a family of four and both of the parents were unemployed, you would earn child benefits, job seekers allowance, a sizeable housing benefit as well as the thrill of paying no tax. This culture is denuding taxation revenue; I understand that some families need benefits and thats acceptable, but people who have the capability to work and choose not to are the reason why we have a deficit. Sort it out Osbourne.
    Exactly what I've been trying to tell people!
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    (Original post by KD35)
    Becuase, the government has a budget deficit and it is a bit unfair that everyone pays tax to pay for people that don't contribute anything. If it used the money spent on benefits on jobs, maybe a lot of the people that were on benefits would be able to get these jobs?
    Many people on benefits pay tax either on their benefits or through their wages.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    Many people on benefits pay tax either on their benefits or through their wages.
    The fact is most of them are net gainers, they recieve a lot more than they have given in tax.
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    (Original post by AtlasCanTakeIt)
    1 in 5 university graduates under the age of 30 are unemployed. The country isn't broke because of poor people. Vast sums of benefits go unpaid. Nearly half of the the welfare budget is paid in pensions, and providing a safety net and caring for vulnerable people is not why we are in recession.

    Honestly, catch yourselves on. Billions of pounds were gambled away by a finance sector incapable of self regulating. If all the energy spent chastising the poor was used to fight for better distribution of wealth in this country, we'd be a lot better off.

    Your upper middle class parents are lying to you.




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    If you choose a degree that there is few job prospects that isn't a wise choice, everybody has a choice in what they study. If you study something you enjoy and are good at but has no job prospects it makes no sense so you choose something that you enjoy are good at and has good job prospects. It might not be your biggest hobby such as art or media, where there are less prospects but something in the medical or finance field, if you work hard and go to a good university and dedicate your university years to studying and achieve good grades, you will get a job period. I believe if you can afford to study something you enjoy and risk losing out on permenant employment or regular "decent" income then by all means study what you enjoy and educate yourself about your interests, but if you have no means of support and are relying on your degree for a job then choose something that you have done you research and know there are job prospects. I know why I am saying this as I have many relatives and friends who have degrees and all of which have jobs as they studied subjects such as neuroscience, medicine, pharmacy, oral health sciences, computer science, architecture. These are fields always in demand of graduates.
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    (Original post by KD35)
    Becuase, the government has a budget deficit and it is a bit unfair that everyone pays tax to pay for people that don't contribute anything. If it used the money spent on benefits on jobs, maybe a lot of the people that were on benefits would be able to get these jobs?
    What do you mean by "don't contribute anything"? Are you under the impression that everyone receiving benefits just sits on their arse all day?
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    What do you mean by "don't contribute anything"? Are you under the impression that everyone receiving benefits just sits on their arse all day?
    Some people clearly are-you can't deny that



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    (Original post by a729)
    Some people clearly are-you can't deny that
    Some people, yes. Many are working, looking after kids, are carers or can't work due to ill health.
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Some people, yes. Many are working, looking after kids, are carers or can't work due to ill health.
    Their benefits should not be excessive or cut

    But there are people who have many children to get more benefits!
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    (Original post by maryamlondon)
    If you choose a degree that there is few job prospects that isn't a wise choice, everybody has a choice in what they study. If you study something you enjoy and are good at but has no job prospects it makes no sense so you choose something that you enjoy are good at and has good job prospects. It might not be your biggest hobby such as art or media, where there are less prospects but something in the medical or finance field, if you work hard and go to a good university and dedicate your university years to studying and achieve good grades, you will get a job period. I believe if you can afford to study something you enjoy and risk losing out on permenant employment or regular "decent" income then by all means study what you enjoy and educate yourself about your interests, but if you have no means of support and are relying on your degree for a job then choose something that you have done you research and know there are job prospects. I know why I am saying this as I have many relatives and friends who have degrees and all of which have jobs as they studied subjects such as neuroscience, medicine, pharmacy, oral health sciences, computer science, architecture. These are fields always in demand of graduates.

    If everyone chose to do sciences, the demand would decrease. Universities wouldn't stay open for long if arts and humanities places weren't filled i.e. Capitalism relies on 'losers'.

    Expecting every 17 year old in the country to utilise clinical forethought like that, to ignore the subjects they've enjoyed studying at A level, is to ignore the systematic influence of media, peers, schooling and socialisation in their childhood.

    You're gratuitously oversimplifying.


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    (Original post by a729)
    Their benefits should not be excessive or cut

    But there are people who have many children to get more benefits!
    Yeah, you can make shed loads of money that way. :facepalm:
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    Yeah, you can make shed loads of money that way. :facepalm:
    Much more than on the minimum wage or even the average salary
    Housing benefit alone can be worth up to 52k a year

    The housing benefit caps will have exceptions

    And still 400x52= 20 080-many people struggle to earn this after tax and NI!

    And you haven't taken into account other benefits!
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    (Original post by a729)
    Much more than on the minimum wage or even the average salary
    Housing benefit alone can be worth up to 52k a year

    The housing benefit caps will have exceptions

    And still 400x52= 20 080-many people struggle to earn this after tax and NI!

    And you haven't taken into account other benefits!
    You think having more kids means you get more housing benefit? Really?
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    (Original post by Kibalchich)
    You think having more kids means you get more housing benefit? Really?
    More children
    Bigger house
    More housing benefit
    More child benefit too


    What part of that doesn't make sense?
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    Until a few months ago I would have said "don't cut welfare".

    But recently I have started working whilst studying. In my work, I meet people who are on benefits.

    Their attitude is disgusting. They believe they have some right not to work and we should pay for them. Even more annoying is that they all seem to have SKY and widescreen TVs. Some of them turn to drugs and alcohol- well hey, if you're bored what else can you do?.

    I then contrast these people who live a pretty nice life- food, tv, toys for the kids with those actually working on a low wage. These people struggle, but want to work- yet if they miss just one bill, the bailiffs are over. This is just so unfair.

    It is also unfair that they get houses quite quickly, yet people in work will struggle to get a house before their 30!

    So I think for those who are genuinely ill or disabled- there should be no cuts to welfare. But for those who can work, benefits should be reduced so that there is an incentive to go to work OR get them to do work for the state. E.g to get them to clean high streets from 9-5 (if there is nobody doing it already). Or maybe clean graffiti. Just anything really!.

    I also think that rather than giving people on benefits money. The state should control what they spend (as some do misspend e.g drugs, TVs etc). Rather than spending it on their kids. How should we do it? maybe food tokens? maybe they submit their orders to the job centres and they confirm it?. That way we know none of the money will be wasted, and could save us some!

    Then with the money saved we should help those who are on very low wages, so that they don't have such a harsh time. E.g tax credits.

    The Welfare State in this country is broken and is a joke.
    Reforms should be made ASAP before people who genuinely need the help lose out.
 
 
 
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