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    Djokovic looking unlikely to play Monte Carlo with his ankle injury. Would be strange to have Murray top seed for a clay event.
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    (Original post by Prendah)
    Djokovic looking unlikely to play Monte Carlo with his ankle injury. Would be strange to have Murray top seed for a clay event.
    How bad is the injury? He probably done quite a bit of harm carrying on if he was injured as I know he got treatment early on...
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    (Original post by Zepploydath)
    How bad is the injury? He probably done quite a bit of harm carrying on if he was injured as I know he got treatment early on...
    No idea, I think he said there is some swelling. He also said that he wouldn't have played on if it was any other competition other than the Davis Cup.
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    I'm actually surprised Djokovic beat Querrey, his movement looked terrible and he was clearly in a load of pain. Querrey's ability to make any shot other than a serve, and even that at times, disappeared completely. Complete mug.
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    Murray not playing has been the best thing ever to happen to the British number 2,3&4s. How demoralising must it be to play your first DC matches of your career having one player earn you team 2 ties only for you to "mess it up" in the other singles because you are playing out of your depth with little/no experience?

    GB dropped down to a level that suited the 2nd.3rd 4th team players and they have slowly built confidence by winning matches. I have such respect and pride for this weeks GB team - a win against Russia was impossible - but they did it. However, I'm sure they will be glad to accept Murray back in the team, and to give GB the best chance in the next round. Lets not get carried away - despite the awesome effort if this tie was replayed 10 times Russia would win the majority, don't you agree? It takes nothing away from the team - in fact emphasises how well they performed to get this result.

    The scenario would be entirely different if Britain had 4 top 50 players and Andy just decided he was turning up for the final. In that case, Murray can **** off lol.
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    (Original post by voodooshaman)
    Murray not playing has been the best thing ever to happen to the British number 2,3&4s. How demoralising must it be to play your first DC matches of your career having one player earn you team 2 ties only for you to "mess it up" in the other singles because you are playing out of your depth with little/no experience?

    GB dropped down to a level that suited the 2nd.3rd 4th team players and they have slowly built confidence by winning matches. I have such respect and pride for this weeks GB team - a win against Russia was impossible - but they did it. However, I'm sure they will be glad to accept Murray back in the team, and to give GB the best chance in the next round. Lets not get carried away - despite the awesome effort if this tie was replayed 10 times Russia would win the majority, don't you agree? It takes nothing away from the team - in fact emphasises how well they performed to get this result.

    The scenario would be entirely different if Britain had 4 top 50 players and Andy just decided he was turning up for the final. In that case, Murray can **** off lol.
    Exactly. If Murray had a Wawrinka or Tipsarevic or Ferrer to back him up he'd be playing more often. Him not playing has changed the team for the better.
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    Novak looking doubtful for Monte Carlo... Is Fed going to make a WC entry?

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    (Original post by JOR2010)
    Novak looking doubtful for Monte Carlo... Is Fed going to make a WC entry?

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    Hope he does.

    If Nole does withdraw, we could be in that rather unusual situation where Andy Murray is Top Seed at a Masters clay event.
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    (Original post by Krish4791)
    Hope he does.

    If Nole does withdraw, we could be in that rather unusual situation where Andy Murray is Top Seed at a Masters clay event.
    It would be nice to see him do well, he's never fared well at Monte Carlo. Murray the top clay seed... How hilarious!

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    Fed has confirmed he will play in Basel without contract, he has until about 2pm to announce Monte Carlo however he left it equally late in 2009. He has being practicing as recently as yesterday so i'd put odds on him declaring.
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    David Ferrer out of Monte Carlo with a thigh injury.
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    (Original post by Natty.B)
    David Ferrer out of Monte Carlo with a thigh injury.
    If Novak pulls out as well, Rafa will be the 2nd seed. Surely Andy won't ever have an easier route to a clay final?
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    (Original post by Prendah)
    If Novak pulls out as well, Rafa will be the 2nd seed. Surely Andy won't ever have an easier route to a clay final?
    Still won't be that easy, especially if he has to end up playing Del Potro or Berdych along the way. That is where Lendl's training will really be tested.
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    (Original post by Krish4791)
    Still won't be that easy, especially if he has to end up playing Del Potro or Berdych along the way. That is where Lendl's training will really be tested.
    Yeah, I'm just saying it will be easier compared to the others Masters/French Open.
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    I agree with the above, if Murray plays Del Potro then he will be crushed.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I agree with the above, if Murray plays Del Potro then he will be crushed.
    There are many specialist clay court players that can beat Murray on a given day, like a Ferrer!
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    (Original post by SloaneRanger)
    There are many specialist clay court players that can beat Murray on a given day, like a Ferrer!
    Ferrer isn't playing MC though, so the point we're making is that there's the possibility that Andy may have to go through players like DelPo or Berdych in order to even set up a final against Rafa (assuming Novak also withdraws)
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    Where does the impression Murray is terrible on clay come from? He's not bad on clay. If we take 2008 as his "break-through" year, he made 3R of the French Open, losing to Nicolas Almagro, who has been world no.9 and is a clay-specialist. There's no shame in that. In 2009, he made the quarter-finals, losing to Gonzalez, who has been world no.5 and while not a clay "specialist", is certainly better on clay then other surfaces. In 2010 he lost to an on fire Berdych in R4 (literally, go watch that match, Berdych was insane). In 2011 he made the semis before losing to Rafa. Need I say more? In 2012, he lost to David Ferrer in a relatively close match. We're talking about the world no.4 and another clay-court specialist, and Murray had an awful start to 2012 anyway, he played ****e the entire first half of the year until Wimbledon, really.

    At Monte Carlo, he lost in 2008 to Djokovic in 3R, but Djokovic is probably the second best clay player of this generation. In 2009, he lost to Nadal, the best, in the SF. Okay, he had a total mug in 2010, lost to Kohlschreiber comprehensively. In 2011, he lost to Nadal, in the SF, after taking a set from Nadal. Think about that for a mo. He took a set from Rafael Nadal on clay at Monte Carlo. In 2012 he lost to Berdych, although it was a mug loss.

    At Madrid, he lost in 2008 to Wawrinka in 2R, and it was an incredibly close match - he almost took the second set in the tiebreak. You have to remember Wawrinka made the final that year. At Madrid, he lost in 2009 to Monaco in 2R. Can't really defend this one, Murray was just ****. In 2010, he lost to Ferrer in 3R. Again, Ferrer is an extremely good clay-court player. In 2011, he made the SF, losing to Djokovic in 3 seats with the 3rd a tiebreaker. 2012 he had a mug loss to Gasquet.

    At Rome, he lost in 2008 to Nadal in R3. In 2009, QF to Del Potro - this is in Del Potro's break-through year. His form was terrifying. In 2010, QF to Ferrer. In 2011, he lost to Belluci when Belluci had the crazy run which saw him take out Berdych in 2 easy sets, and take Djokovic to 3 close sets - yeah, 2011 Djokovic as well. In 2012, he was absent through injury.

    Barring 2012, these are really, really good results. Had it not been for Belluci, Murray would probably have made 3 clay SFs in 2011. If you wanted a ranking of current players on clay, it'd probably look like this:

    Nadal
    Djokovic
    Federer
    Ferrer
    Berdych
    Murray

    Yeah, and Murray is above Del Potro in terms of what each has achieved on clay, for sure, and almost certainly in what you'd expect to happen if they met on clay. When people talk about Murray being a clay mug, it's just unfair. He's not as good as the rest of the big 4 on clay, sure, but he's still easily within the top 10 clay players and probably the top 6.

    EDIT: If anything, Monte Carlo is a massive chance for Berdych. He gets to have the 4th seed, which means (barring ****-ups) he's guaranteed the SF, and probably the F if he draws Murray.
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    (Original post by TopHat)

    Nadal
    Djokovic
    Federer
    Ferrer
    Berdych
    Murray

    Yeah, and Murray is above Del Potro in terms of what each has achieved on clay, for sure, and almost certainly in what you'd expect to happen if they met on clay. When people talk about Murray being a clay mug, it's just unfair. He's not as good as the rest of the big 4 on clay, sure, but he's still easily within the top 10 clay players and probably the top 6.

    EDIT: If anything, Monte Carlo is a massive chance for Berdych. He gets to have the 4th seed, which means (barring ****-ups) he's guaranteed the SF, and probably the F if he draws Murray.
    I mainly put it down to how much worse murray seems to be on clay than compared to the other surfaces.
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    In Rome 2011, Murray didn't lose to Belluci. He played Djokovic in the semi which was one of the best matches of the year, Murray served for it but eventually lost. Getting so close to victory against an in form Djokovic on clay shows that Murray has the potential.

    EDIT: Reading your post, you mixed up Rome and Madrid.
 
 
 
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