TSR Tennis Society III

Djokovic's path to the final:

Goffin
Dodig
Dimitrov
Dolgopolov
Haas
Nadal
(final)

Federer's path to the final:

Qualifier
Qualifier
Benneteau
Simon
Tsonga
Ferrer
(final)

I mean, wut?

Yeah, I'm talking about earlier in his career.



That's what I'm saying. Because Fed-Murray a) wasn't as popular as Fed-Djoko, and b) Murray was more likely to beat Federer than Djokovic (which back then was true), slam draws conveniently never paired them.



Eh, I'm not sure I agree. If you watch both the US 2008 and AO 2010, Murray just looks like a rabbit in headlights for the entirety of both matches. Outside of slams, Murray's record against Fed is what, 11-5? (that's off the top of my head, may be slightly off). That's a pretty clear and decisive margin (I mean, it's pigeon-level), especially when some of those 5 will have been from the clay Masters. Personally, I think a large factor behind both of those finals was the "oh**** im in a slam final wtfwtfwtf" element which plagued Murray until, well, really recently actually. If back in the period 2008-2010 Federer and Murray had met in the semis of either the US Open or the Australian, rather than the final, I'm willing to bet Murray's H2H would be rather better than it is. I mean, obviously we can only speculate, but I can't think of many other plausible explanations why someone would have such a clear lead over another player that suddenly disappears at crunch time.

Yh, agree with most of what you say, but if you watch the 2008 US Open Final again, it's obvious that he was clearly outplayed in that particular match (Federer was the more dominant payer) - not sure how big nerves were a factor for Murray, given that he beat Nadal in the SFs.

Statistics wise, I think the H2H outside Slams is 10 - 6. Within this, Federer leads 3-0 at the WTF in London and 3-1 overall at Year End Masters Championships, Murray leads 6-1 in Masters events and 1-0 in Olympics matches, and leads 3-2 in other matches/events

Surprisingly Djoko-Nadal are in the same half with Roger being with Ferrer. If Djoko somehow defeats Nadal, which he is very capable of and if we get Roger-Nole final and Roger turns on God Mode for just one match, he can defeat him. When Federer plays his best, he can still beat anyone expect perhaps Nadal on clay.

Djokovic's path to the final:

Goffin
Dodig
Dimitrov
Dolgopolov
Haas
Nadal
(final)

Federer's path to the final:

Qualifier
Qualifier
Benneteau
Simon
Tsonga
Ferrer
(final)

I mean, wut?

I'd bet on berdych to beat ferrer, and if that happens, he should meet federer in the semis

Yeah, so the correlation here is that Murray probably actually has a great match-up against Federer which is nullified by the fact Murray can't handle pressure very well - which is why the Murray/Nadal draw fix that meant Murray never faced Federer until the final is such a ****ty thing to have happened. In an alternative world where Murray drew Federer more often in the semis and made more finals, he'd probably have broken his duck rather sooner than he did.

Djokovic's path to the final:

Goffin
Dodig
Dimitrov
Dolgopolov
Haas
Nadal
(final)

Federer's path to the final:

Qualifier
Qualifier
Benneteau
Simon
Tsonga
Ferrer
(final)

I mean, wut?

Yeah, so the correlation here is that Murray probably actually has a great match-up against Federer which is nullified by the fact Murray can't handle pressure very well - which is why the Murray/Nadal draw fix that meant Murray never faced Federer until the final is such a ****ty thing to have happened. In an alternative world where Murray drew Federer more often in the semis and made more finals, he'd probably have broken his duck rather sooner than he did.

Interesting to know that Nadal could play Rosol in the 3rd round

Bennetau is a dangerous one always for Federer. And a pumped up patriotic Tsonga could also pull off an upset.

Where is Berdych in all of this?

Bennetau has only troubled Roger on indoor hards, so I am not sure if he even makes it to the 3rd round to make him. Tsonga is way too eractic, so you never know with him.

And Berdych has Ferrer as a potential QF with a possible semi with Roger. But first he needs to get through his tricky 1st round match with Monfils.

Nadal-Djokovic Semi who'd have thought that would have happened. I just have a feeling the draw is completely opened up for a outsider, and of course Fed will be pleased.