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    Abramovich, please don't sack him if we don't win the league . He can bring some stability!

    EDIT: Did Man United/Man City really not approach him? Hmm... I would've thought differently.
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    "I know my weaknesses, there aren't many" What a ****
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    Jam - the press were always going to try and get Mourinho to dub himself the special one or the extra special one in the conference this time. Mourinho was just shrewed enough to not come across so arrogantly this time.

    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Abramovich, please don't sack him if we don't win the league . He can bring some stability!

    EDIT: Did Man United/Man City really not approach him? Hmm... I would've thought differently.
    All the reports state that neither of the Manchester clubs approached him. I think both clubs wanted a manager who would be there for the long haul, who would promote youth and who would provide a clean image for the club.

    Mourinho has shown himself to be confrontational, not stayed at one club for more than 3 years and has promoted very few youth players.
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    (Original post by yaboy)
    "I know my weaknesses, there aren't many" What a ****
    Where did you get that from? Plus anyway he's within his right to say that. He's a top manager with a proven track record to boot. It's not like it's harry redknapp or alex mcleish saying this.
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    Oscar apparently played brilliantly against France - and this time he was as an attacking mid (I think) rather than winger. Really hope we don't waste him on the wings anymore.


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    All the reports state that neither of the Manchester clubs approached him. I think both clubs wanted a manager who would be there for the long haul, who would promote youth and who would provide a clean image for the club.

    Mourinho has shown himself to be confrontational, not stayed at one club for more than 3 years and has promoted very few youth players.
    I don't see Pellegrini staying there for the long-haul. Moyes I can agree with though.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Mourinho has promoted very few youth players.
    Slightly true. It wasn't his fault though. At Porto, he was very ambitious and wanted to win big trophies. He already had a young Porto squad after some signings. He wasn't gonna put too much emphasis on youth which proved to be a correct decision by winning the UEFA cup and Champions League with Porto.

    At Chelsea, their youth prospects weren't very good. But Jose still tried to promote/sign youth when he could (e.g. Hutchinson, Huth, Mikel, Sidwell, Kalou etc) and urge Chelsea to reform their youth academy. And Jose's and Roman's targets were to win lots of trophies. Which he did. So it could be argued he was right not to put too much emphasis on youth.

    At Inter, again their youth academy wasn't very good and Jose tried to change it. He promoted Santon and used him at fullback on many occasions. He gave Balotelli many games. And again, Moratti and Jose's aims were to win big. So Jose wasn't gonna put too much emphasis on youth. The correct decision when Jose won Inter a CL trophy.

    At Madrid, they had better youth prospects and signings. And Jose did make use of them. Off the top of my head, he has given Morata, Callejon, Varane, Di Maria, Khedira a lot of games altogether. Of course, the aim of the Madrid president and Jose was big success. So Jose wouldn't put too much emphasis on youth. Ok, Jose didn't have great success overall at Madrid but when he won the league, he won it in style and broke many records.

    I think it's unfair that Jose has gotten a reputation of not knowing how to work with youth. But hopefully, he can prove himself at Chelsea where he has better youth prospects to work with than ever before.
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    By youth he means youth academy, I understand the problems with chelsea, lets be honest here our youth prospects at the time were crap, we'd come up with one good player of a chelsea mainstay quality every ten years. He did fairly well with porto however. Carvalho being the main example, he also promoted bosingwa too and had a fairly young squad.

    With inter he did use balotelli quite a bit, in fact balotelli has had the most appearances in a season under jose mourinho than any other manager.
    He could have kept bonucci but tbh he was part of the milito deal. He was also able to promote santon.

    However the problem has never been him not being able to use a young squad. Real madrid are a testiment to that, di maria, ozil, khedira, marcelo, benzema were crucial parts of the team. The problem has been promoting players from the youth academy directly, but if we look at most managers and teams, the only teams who have done that very successfully recently from academy players have been bayern, barcelona and AC milan, arsenal too to an extent recently(not in the early wenger era though as buying a load of french players for cheap in a golden age of french football is nothing major, people do the same thing with germany now) but its a very hard job to do.

    If we look at youth academy players/people who have come through castilla he's used, Callejon, granero and morata are the first 3 that come to mind, jese rodriguez and nacho as well in fact nacho even got a decent run in the team last season. I think he made a mistake in selling dani carvajal as he could have been useful this season at right back instead of putting essien there but real are getting him back anyway.

    I'd say that mourinho has done what he could with the youth.
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    Looking forward to seeing what Mourinho does next season with such a group of talented players
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    ''This club has a special fanbase''

    JM is right about one thing....
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Oscar apparently played brilliantly against France - and this time he was as an attacking mid (I think) rather than winger. Really hope we don't waste him on the wings anymore.




    I don't see Pellegrini staying there for the long-haul. Moyes I can agree with though.
    Personally we should play more fluid and interchange some more during the game. In that case then oscar, mata and hazard will all get time out wide and in the middle, plus it will confuse the defenders much more, it's best for situations where we need to dominate the opposition. Bayern munich do this system pretty well and you see robben, muller and ribery frequently interchange and makes for a fluid triumvirate that's hard to be picked up by the opposition.

    I think under benitez we had the link up play etc but you didn't see players change position too much it was always mata in the middle mainly and hazard on the left side and oscar on right wing.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Personally we should play more fluid and interchange some more during the game. In that case then oscar, mata and hazard will all get time out wide and in the middle, plus it will confuse the defenders much more, it's best for situations where we need to dominate the opposition. Bayern munich do this system pretty well and you see robben, muller and ribery frequently interchange and makes for a fluid triumvirate that's hard to be picked up by the opposition.

    I think under benitez we had the link up play etc but you didn't see players change position too much it was always mata in the middle mainly and hazard on the left side and oscar on right wing.
    Robben and Ribery don't mind going back into defense to get the ball.
    Hazard rarely goes back to defend and Oscar would probably be slammed if he were to attempt to defend because he's just too weak.
    David Luiz can play the Schweinstiger role well though if he gets the chance.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Well compare our midfield, notably the wingers and strikers a season ago and now. We're playing a totally different style of play. It worked seamlessly earlier in the season but we've changed from a front 3 of drogba, malouda, kalou to torres, hazard, moses and oscar the past season, with the likes of essien and meireles leaving in midfield too, lampard being phased out while we're at it and mata obviously coming in last season.


    Meaning we have to play a totally different style of play focusing more on possession play/high pressure counter attacking than our old long ball tactic dropping deep and bullying players with strength.


    The difference between our play in the CL final and europe this season is pretty evident tbf.
    So are Chelsea in transition again now that Mou has come back? Any thoughts on what will happen to the 3 amigo's
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Robben and Ribery don't mind going back into defense to get the ball.
    Hazard rarely goes back to defend and Oscar would probably be slammed if he were to attempt to defend because he's just too weak.
    David Luiz can play the Schweinstiger role well though if he gets the chance.
    Yeah I know but that's to do with defending, not attacking so it wouldn't affect the fluidity of the play, if anything us having those 3 in set positions during the match should make us better defensively. Thomas muller did the same thing when he played out wide. But it can be taught. Telling a couple of players to get back when being hit on the counter isn't too hard. Also oscar can just go to the gym and hit the protein shakes its not that hard.
    Most of the time if we have a good BBM/DLP in the middle controlling the game we wouldn't need the wingers going back as much.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    By youth he means youth academy, I understand the problems with chelsea, lets be honest here our youth prospects at the time were crap, we'd come up with one good player of a chelsea mainstay quality every ten years. He did fairly well with porto however. Carvalho being the main example, he also promoted bosingwa too and had a fairly young squad.

    With inter he did use balotelli quite a bit, in fact balotelli has had the most appearances in a season under jose mourinho than any other manager.
    He could have kept bonucci but tbh he was part of the milito deal. He was also able to promote santon.

    However the problem has never been him not being able to use a young squad. Real madrid are a testiment to that, di maria, ozil, khedira, marcelo, benzema were crucial parts of the team. The problem has been promoting players from the youth academy directly, but if we look at most managers and teams, the only teams who have done that very successfully recently from academy players have been bayern, barcelona and AC milan, arsenal too to an extent recently(not in the early wenger era though as buying a load of french players for cheap in a golden age of french football is nothing major, people do the same thing with germany now) but its a very hard job to do.

    If we look at youth academy players/people who have come through castilla he's used, Callejon, granero and morata are the first 3 that come to mind, jese rodriguez and nacho as well in fact nacho even got a decent run in the team last season. I think he made a mistake in selling dani carvajal as he could have been useful this season at right back instead of putting essien there but real are getting him back anyway.

    I'd say that mourinho has done what he could with the youth.
    Good post.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    So are Chelsea in transition again now that Mou has come back? Any thoughts on what will happen to the 3 amigo's
    Not in transition, we have the team right now. Unlike the 2 previous seasons where we've had to adapt to a new manager and change an ageing squad.

    At most we need a striker, a winger for depth/KDB and A CB/DM depending on where luiz is playing and I can't see anyone but us past the title. Right now we're serious title contenders and can't see us anywhere under 3rd place. But with those signings we'll come first with around 90 points.

    The three amigos will be a main part of the team next season, if we keep KDB however there will be mainly rotation between him and oscar, if we get schurle and loan/sell KDB however he'll be on the bench until an injury crisis happens or when we need to do a ****load of defending on the wings but still need an attacking/counterattacking threat of some sort from the wing(the super cup vs bayern e.g. would be a good game for schurle)
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    I just hope Torres leaves Or just bring him on in every league game after the 70th minute which he normally does well in - pretty weird.
    Need 1 big striker signing - I just hope Cavani doesn't go **** like Torres... chances of that happening?
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    (Original post by Cable)

    At Madrid, they had better youth prospects and signings. And Jose did make use of them. Off the top of my head, he has given Morata, Callejon, Varane, Di Maria, Khedira a lot of games altogether.
    Callejon is 24 now I believe, hardly youth. (Granero was bought, not from the castilla. - this was in another post) And where youve got Di Maria and Khedira from I don't know! Both were bought as established first team players.

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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    I just hope Torres leaves Or just bring him on in every league game after the 70th minute which he normally does well in - pretty weird.
    Need 1 big striker signing - I just hope Cavani doesn't go **** like Torres... chances of that happening?
    Very very unlikely, cavani has been in the form of his life for a good 3 seasons and is just a general complete forward.

    Torres was mismanaged by the liverpool physios and rushed it to the world cup, further aggravating his hamstring, this then made him slower. Add hodgson playing terrible football and destroying torres confidence, then us then buying torres and burying any form of confidence he may have had(can't believe the guy has a champions league medal for us) and that's what you get, a striker who struggles to get past his man, just about has the ability to do so(not as much as before) but doesn't as he's not confident enough in his own ability. He probably sleeps at night thinking that he's not worth £50m.

    Funnily enough I still think that we can save torres. But we don't have time for that.
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    (Original post by nicseymour)
    Callejon is 24 now I believe, hardly youth. (Granero was bought, not from the castilla. - this was in another post) And where youve got Di Maria and Khedira from I don't know! Both were bought as established first team players.

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    Granero and callejon both came from the castilla then went to other clubs(getafe and espanyol respectively) then came back to madrid. So I'd say he's a youth product.

    I said that they count as young people who's come from castilla that he's used. Granero was pretty much on 'loan' to getafe and had 'madrid DNA' in him, similar to what has happened with dani carvajal, same goes with callejon.
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    (Original post by nicseymour)
    Callejon is 24 now I believe, hardly youth. (Granero was bought, not from the castilla. - this was in another post) And where youve got Di Maria and Khedira from I don't know! Both were bought as established first team players.

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    Callejon came through the youth system in Madrid.

    I apologize about Di Maria and Khedira. But they are relatively young players and came from lesser teams before Jose chucked them straight into the starting team.

    The gist of my point was that Jose can work with young players. I see no reason why he can't stay at Chelsea for a relatively long time and promote some youngsters from the youth academy, then develop them into good players.
 
 
 
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