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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Wallace is going out on loan next season:

    http://www.weaintgotnohistory.com/20...-tell-us-where

    I think he's just said that to put pressure on the situation, would make things a lot easier for us if Rooney requested a transfer.

    I'm skeptical about us getting De Rossi anyway, just can't really imagine Roma selling him. And the reported Wallace loan deal is probably off now (if it was ever on) as Roma bought Maicon. Although we've just arranged a friendly with them on the 10th in DC, so who knows, could be part of a deal? :dontknow:
    with rooney I know he's a guy that Jose likes a lot but I think that he would be fine if we didn't get the guy and tbh the De Rossi transfer did not really seem likely
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    We're playing Roma in a couple of weeks. Could be interesting with regards to De Rossi.
    But I guess this all depends on whether Mikel is actually sold then or not.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    with rooney I know he's a guy that Jose likes a lot but I think that he would be fine if we didn't get the guy and tbh the De Rossi transfer did not really seem likely
    I agree. Rooney would be good but I think we'll be fine without him. Don't want to see us pay more than £35m for him either.

    Hulk's moved to Monaco, £52m. Completely ridiculous. At least now we definitely won't get him, thank ****.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Hulk's moved to Monaco, £52m. Completely ridiculous. At least now we definitely won't get him, thank ****.
    That is a ridiculous amount.
    Why anyone would pay that is beyond me. Monaco are idiots.
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    That is a ridiculous amount.
    Why anyone would pay that is beyond me. Monaco are idiots.
    For a guy in terrible form too :lol: Ranieri wants to buy the porto squad I guess
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    I'm just glad we didn't spend **** loads on Cavani, £54 million for him is just unbelievable.

    I don't think we need Rooney, but perhaps Mourinho is seeing something I'm not.
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    That is a ridiculous amount.
    Why anyone would pay that is beyond me. Monaco are idiots.
    Oh the Irony :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Oh the Irony :rolleyes:
    Failing to see the irony I'm afraid.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Oh the Irony :rolleyes:
    Care to explain?

    Most people would agree half that fee would be overpaying for Hulk based on his form this past season.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Oh the Irony :rolleyes:
    Yeah torres we know but lets be honest that was a panic buy as we were 4th/5th at the time Hulk on the other hand has been terrible the past season (had an argument with a guy saying he's world class and tried to insinuate that he watched him)
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    Failing to see the irony I'm afraid.

    (Original post by Nickini)
    Care to explain?


    Most people would agree half that fee would be overpaying for Hulk based on his form this past season.

    (Original post by jam277)
    Yeah torres we know but lets be honest that was a panic buy as we were 4th/5th at the time Hulk on the other hand has been terrible the past season (had an argument with a guy saying he's world class and tried to insinuate that he watched him)


    £30m for Shevchenko
    £50m For Torres
    End of Argument


    Its unbelievable a chelsea fan can criticize Monaco for spending too much on a player. Chelsea, Monaco, PSG and City are the same. I get what youre saying Jam but 50m for such a massive fail, come on guys there's no argument here.
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    We're playing Roma in a couple of weeks. Could be interesting with regards to De Rossi.
    But I guess this all depends on whether Mikel is actually sold then or not.
    If the earlier rumours were true and Mikel is sold for sixteen million to Galatasaray, than ~eighteen million for de Rossi would be incredible business.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    £30m for Shevchenko
    £50m For Torres
    End of Argument


    Its unbelievable a chelsea fan can criticize Monaco for spending too much on a player. Chelsea, Monaco, PSG and City are the same. I get what youre saying Jam but 50m for such a massive fail, come on guys there's no argument here.
    Both flops. Not trying to defend our spending, as yeah, we do splash the cash and we did overpay with regards to those signings, but as I previously said, not to the extent Monaco have. Liverpool obviously wouldn't sell us their star player cheaply, and at the time the club evidently thought paying that bit more would be worth it. Shevchenko was apparently RA's personally chosen signing (and only seriously considered because we missed out on Eto'o), and again, the club evidently thought it would be worth it. Hindsight is a beautiful thing, and obviously, they weren't worth it.

    Hulk is a player who many have considered overrated for some time, coming off the back of a poor season at Zenit and several underwhelming performances for Brazil, and yet he's commanded a fee equivalent to that of Falcao or Cavani? You don't have to be a scout to realise a fee half that size would be pushing it. Hell, he signed for Zenit for £40m last season in the first place so it's a complete mystery how he's somehow gained £12m in value despite having a bad season.

    Monaco have spent in the region of £160m on four players. We have spent a lot, yes, but not to that extent. We also weren't a newly promoted team, buying as many players as we could to try to win the league the very next season.

    Oh, and Liverpool spent £35m on Andy Carroll...surely they should also be included in your little group of 'overspenders', no? That's arguably worse than both Torres and Shevchenko.
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    (Original post by KingMessi)
    If the earlier rumours were true and Mikel is sold for sixteen million to Galatasaray, than ~eighteen million for de Rossi would be incredible business.
    Just shows how nuts the market really is atm, Mikel is never a 16m player.. PSG/Monaco throwing their ill gotten cash around has put an already out of control market into overdrive.

    De Rossi was going for 30m last summer I thought? Would be strange for him now to go for 18m.

    (Original post by Nickini)
    Oh, and Liverpool spent £35m on Andy Carroll...surely they should also be included in your little group of 'overspenders', no? That's arguably worse than both Torres and Shevchenko.
    Absolutely no doubt, hilariously bad transfer. West Ham's 15m for Carroll is 2nd.

    Liverpool have always been a strange one though, they always spend huge amounts even going back to 2002. Largely wasted as well, right back to the days of 12m for Diouf. Think their net spend since 1992 is 100m above Utd and 9 times that of Arsenal, which is just scandalously poor business. And the 100m they blew in 2011 was sugar-daddy money pure and simple.
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    (Original post by KingMessi)
    If the earlier rumours were true and Mikel is sold for sixteen million to Galatasaray, than ~eighteen million for de Rossi would be incredible business.
    I think that rumour was proven to be a load of *******s anyway, the Turkish newspaper which started the story had Mikel saying he wanted to join Galatasaray and felt it would be the right move etc. but he came forwards and denied any such quote. Apparently the Turkish media is notoriously bad for making up stories.

    (Original post by Zürich)
    De Rossi was going for 30m last summer I thought? Would be strange for him now to go for 18m.
    £11-12m is the figure that's been floating around for De Rossi which would be a steal, but I really don't think it'll happen. Last summer he'd recently signed a new 5-year contract, and I think him turning 30 next week with Roma having just signed Strootman as a replacement might be the reason for this much lower figure? :dontknow: Or of course, the more likely option, that it's a load of BS, we're not even in for him and £11m is a figure some random twitter journalist has pulled out of his arse.

    Absolutely no doubt, hilariously bad transfer. West Ham's 15m for Carroll is 2nd.
    Yup. At least with Torres and Shevchenko we looked to be signing top quality players, Andy Carroll on the other hand...
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Monaco have spent in the region of £160m on four players. We have spent a lot, yes, but not to that extent. We also weren't a newly promoted team, buying as many players as we could to try to win the league the very next season.

    Oh, and Liverpool spent £35m on Andy Carroll...surely they should also be included in your little group of 'overspenders', no? That's arguably worse than both Torres and Shevchenko.
    So what were Chelsea were doing 10 years ago? Monaco are doing the same thing its just the transfer fees and wages have been hugely inflated.

    "buying as many players as we could to try to win the league the very next season."
    :facepalm2:

    Season 03/04 Chelsea's total expenditure £121m. Crespo £16.8m, Veron for £15m, Damien Duff for £17m these fees are small by our modern standards but back then this was top dollar at inflated prices then you spent £102m in 04/05. Its completely unnatural to spend this kinds of money because without a sugar daddy you can't spend crazy money. Chelsea are no better than Monaco, just as bad as eachother imo

    £35m for Carroll thing was overpriced but it was Liverpool's hard earned cash to waste, it was a bad transfer due to poor management tbf they would never have bought him if some clowns didn't pay £50m for Torres. How the fee got to £50m I will never know.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    So what were Chelsea were doing 10 years ago? Monaco are doing the same thing its just the transfer fees and wages have been hugely inflated.
    As I said, I'm not trying to defend our spending. Our point was that Monaco have overpaid massively for Hulk, an average player. For some reason you've seen this as an excuse to try to condemn us, when it was never about Chelsea... Do you lurk on other team's threads waiting for an excuse to criticise as opposed to at least trying to post something worthwhile? Seems like it to me. Yes, our club has spent a fair sum of money in the past, but does that mean we, as fans, necessarily agree with it? No. Nor does it revoke our right to comment on other club's similar, in this case more extreme, practises.

    (Original post by sevchenko)
    "buying as many players as we could to try to win the league the very next season."
    :facepalm2:
    Taking something I said out of context and adding a facepalm emoticon doesn't make you clever, nor does it constitute a good argument. Try again.

    Obviously we tried to buy the league, can't deny that, and we succeeded. My point was that we weren't recently promoted. We finished 4th in 02/03, then 2nd in 03/04. Monaco are aiming to go from being newly promoted to winning the league in a single season. We went from 4th - 1st in two seasons.

    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Season 03/04 Chelsea's total expenditure £121m. Crespo £16.8m, Veron for £15m, Damien Duff for £17m these fees are small by our modern standards but back then this was top dollar at inflated prices then you spent £102m in 04/05. Its completely unnatural to spend this kinds of money because without a sugar daddy you can't spend crazy money. Chelsea are no better than Monaco, just as bad as eachother imo
    Our 03/04 expenditure, £121m, is the equivalent of £151m in today's market. For that, we signed 11 players (not including free transfers). As I pointed out, Monaco have spent £160m on just 4 players. That was the most we have spent in a single season.

    Our most expensive signing that season, Damien Duff, we bought for £17m - which is £23m today. Not even half of what Monaco have just spent on Hulk.


    (Original post by sevchenko)
    £35m for Carroll thing was overpriced but it was Liverpool's hard earned cash to waste, it was a bad transfer due to poor management tbf they would never have bought him if some clowns didn't pay £50m for Torres. How the fee got to £50m I will never know.
    You missed my incredibly simple point: Andy Carroll wasn't worth £35m, Liverpool overpaid massively for him. Just like Monaco have just done with Hulk.

    Go back to embarrassing yourself in the United thread mate.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    £35m for Carroll thing was overpriced but it was Liverpool's hard earned cash to waste, it was a bad transfer due to poor management tbf they would never have bought him if some clowns didn't pay £50m for Torres. How the fee got to £50m I will never know.
    The fee got to £50m because Liverpool wanted at least £15m more than what they paid for Carroll. A transfer which went through a couple hours before the Torres deal. They originally offered £25m for for Carroll. Which was still far too much. We offered £40m for Torres.

    Carroll was a £8-£10m player at best.

    Obviously you have no idea what happened. So perhaps you should stop commenting on things you know nothing about.
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    (Original post by KingMessi)
    If the earlier rumours were true and Mikel is sold for sixteen million to Galatasaray, than ~eighteen million for de Rossi would be incredible business.

    (Original post by Nickini)
    I think that rumour was proven to be a load of *******s anyway, the Turkish newspaper which started the story had Mikel saying he wanted to join Galatasaray and felt it would be the right move etc. but he came forwards and denied any such quote. Apparently the Turkish media is notoriously bad for making up stories.

    £11-12m is the figure that's been floating around for De Rossi which would be a steal, but I really don't think it'll happen. Last summer he'd recently signed a new 5-year contract, and I think him turning 30 next week with Roma having just signed Strootman as a replacement might be the reason for this much lower figure? :dontknow: Or of course, the more likely option, that it's a load of BS, we're not even in for him and £11m is a figure some random twitter journalist has pulled out of his arse.
    Although, the funny thing is that Galatasary only a few weeks ago said they weren't willing to match Nani's 8.5 million valuation they wanted to pay 6. Assuming they couldn't afford Nani for 8.5, how on earth are they going to buy Mikel for 16, it makes no sense at all :curious:. I also read about the De Rossi deal being around 11-12. Looks less likely now but the media were raving on about him transferring through a few weeks ago. Could be another Cavani episode tbh.

    Is it me or has the media been really off the ball this summer? Fabricating and twisting stories more than usual.
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