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    Jesus, I completely forgot about Marin. Think its fair to say he'll never play for Chelsea again after our latest signings.
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    (Original post by mhsc)
    Jesus, I completely forgot about Marin. Think its fair to say he'll never play for Chelsea again after our latest signings.
    Which is pretty sad....:cry2:

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    (Original post by jam277)
    Got to disagree here. in order for us to play against the big teams and dominate we need a DM who plays the ball well from deep as well as be a good tackler, personally feel lamps is our best CM(which says a lot about how poor we are there) and hopefully mvg will take up the mantle of lampard, as he's got better athleticism and plays the ball quickly from deep. But tbh it's all about partnerships, a mikel lamps partnership is terrible tbh due to its lack of mobility.
    We should have carried on using Luiz as a box-to-box player, at least he's less of a liability in midfield. He had a belter of a time there in the second half of last season. No idea why Jose is playing him at the back again.

    Cech
    Azpilicueta Ivanovic Terry Cole
    Luiz Lampard
    Oscar Mata Hazard
    Torres/Eto'o

    More or less the team we should be starting with in most games.
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    I really liked him when he used to play in the bundesliga.

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    [QUOTE=Isometrix;44510035]We should have carried on using Luiz as a box-to-box player, at least he's less of a liability in midfield. He had a belter of a time there in the second half of last season. No idea why Jose is playing him at the back again.

    Cech
    Azpilicueta Ivanovic Terry Cole
    Luiz Lampard
    Oscar Mata Hazard
    Torres/Eto'o

    More or less the team we should be starting with in most games.[/QUOTE
    Knowing Mourinho he will definitely go with the same team that played this weekend ....He is someone who doesn't like change from what I've seen when he used to manage Real Madrid.
    By change I mean positions/formations
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    (Original post by mhsc)
    Jesus, I completely forgot about Marin. Think its fair to say he'll never play for Chelsea again after our latest signings.
    Honestly, any promising youngster who hasn't made it already needs to stay well clear of CFC. Complete graveyard for talented youngsters, just look at the youth academy's horrendous 25 year record for a start. If they want to play for CFC then start off elsewhere and come when you're 24/25 as otherwise you're on a hiding to nothing.
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    I liked Marin, my affection originally started when I found out his induction song was Cotton-Eye Joe.


    I want to see Oscar or KDB play in the pivot so bad.

    Luiz/KDB pivot against one of the weak CL teams would be fantastic.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Honestly, any promising youngster who hasn't made it already needs to stay well clear of CFC. Complete graveyard for talented youngsters, just look at the youth academy's horrendous 25 year record for a start. If they want to play for CFC then start off elsewhere and come when you're 24/25 as otherwise you're on a hiding to nothing.
    Unfortunately you are right, but I don't think Marin has really fallen victim to this, more bad luck than anything else; he was injured after a promising preseason and then never performed when given the chance, and what with the return of KDB and purchases of Willian/Schurrle there just isn't any room for him, a shame as I do like the guy. Unless someone flops/is sold and he has an outstanding season with Seville I don't see him returning to play at Chelsea. We bought him when it looked likely we wouldn't be qualifying for the CL, apparently our purchase of him was seen as pretty bizarre in Germany, he doesn't seem to be highly rated over there at all, could be down to the plethora of quality in his position rather than a lack of ability though. :dontknow:

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    I liked Marin, my affection originally started when I found out his induction song was Cotton-Eye Joe.


    I want to see Oscar or KDB play in the pivot so bad.

    Luiz/KDB pivot against one of the weak CL teams would be fantastic.
    Wasn't Oscar playing somewhat deeper than usual towards the end of the Everton game? Although formations kind of went out the window. Reckon Oscar could do a pretty good job there though.

    I'm hoping we see Willian start on Wednesday, I think one of the reasons we signed him was for his CL experience, something KDB/Schurrle/Moses/Oscar and Hazard to a lesser extent lack somewhat.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Honestly, any promising youngster who hasn't made it already needs to stay well clear of CFC. Complete graveyard for talented youngsters, just look at the youth academy's horrendous 25 year record for a start. If they want to play for CFC then start off elsewhere and come when you're 24/25 as otherwise you're on a hiding to nothing.
    100% agree.

    But to be fair to CFC they couldn't have done anything about his mysterious injuries! If only he stayed fit....but when he was fit he never got used and that's what really gets to me!

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    (Original post by kidomo)
    100% agree.

    But to be fair to CFC they couldn't have done anything about his mysterious injuries! If only he stayed fit....but when he was fit he never got used and that's what really gets to me!

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    I liked Rafa as a manager, but there's one thing he did that I could never understand. He kept putting Yossi Benayoun on instead of Marin. Frustrating.
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    Ryan Betrand career RIP.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Ryan Betrand career RIP.
    Why, what happened ?
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    I liked Rafa as a manager, but there's one thing he did that I could never understand. He kept putting Yossi Benayoun on instead of Marin. Frustrating.
    His subs were pretty questionable, felt like we had ranieri at times who just did what he wanted.
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    Ryan Betrand career RIP.
    Slightly harsh, personally I think it's rather similar to the sergio asenjo situation at atletico, where they have another player who's the best in the world in the position, in your case, look at gibbs/monreal or the cole/van bronckhorst. Somebody will have to simply lose out. I'd say that it depends on the level of the player.

    Personally I wish bertrand was 19 so the progression would be a given. But he's in the weird situation of being deputy(albeit of great quality) to the best LB in the world but at an age where he needs regular football. Personally I think we should just get luke shaw rather than kill bertrands career like this. Thing is he's a much better attacking outlet than cole has been the past year but question marks over his defending/positioning. Shame as I rate him as highly as gibbs. He'll get games this season I feel in the CL and cup games, since I doubt cole will keep up a high level of performance as a starter all season. Plus mourinho's one for dropping players if they've not been good enough regardless of who they are. Look at real.
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    Bertrand will be getting quite a few games if Cole keeps up his current poor form.

    High hopes for PVA though, wouldn't say no to Shaw. Chelsea fan and English.
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    (Original post by Tweek)
    Bertrand will be getting quite a few games if Cole keeps up his current poor form.

    High hopes for PVA though, wouldn't say no to Shaw. Chelsea fan and English.
    Hopefully, I think cole will be dropped if in poor form.

    Don't think PVA will make it, tbh he went in the graveyard of vitesse and has probably been forgotten about by our staff.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Hopefully, I think cole will be dropped if in poor form.

    Don't think PVA will make it, tbh he went in the graveyard of vitesse and has probably been forgotten about by our staff.
    By all accounts PVA is better than Bertrand from reports in Holland.

    Plus his speed is ridiculous. Kakuta needs to be shipped though. Shame.
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    Fair enough wrt him. Personally been hearing mourinho talk a lot about english football and the youth nowadays, say what you want about him, but at inter and porto he was rather good with the youth players or young talents. I feel that if he stays on the job for 4/5 years he'll get a youngster or two in, chalobah looking the most likely once we get rid of mikel and lamps retires.

    Coming to think of it, the closest manager who's tried to use the youngsters would be AVB and di matteo, rafa did it with ake out of necessity I feel but even then it wasn't really getting anybody to break through. AVB did well with romeu and sturridge, romeu was inexpicably dropped for some reason while sturridge was beasting it till he got injured. But I wouldn't even call the players he started using as youth. They were rather established players at their clubs before getting into the chelsea side(romeu counts as a barca b regular) carlo ancelotti didn't even try with the youth during the two seasons here bar the odd appearance for josh mceachran, which made it even more stupid when sturridge was scoring goals for fun and we buy a £50m dud.

    Oh and with the midfield situation, I'd rather us just put a youngster on the bench during an injury crisis so we use david luiz there, his performances in CB are so boom or bust and it's rather frustrating when he seems a greater option in CM when he's with lampard as he has way more creative freedom; plus in this case we have the mobility to cover when lamps goes forward due to luiz's physical attributes. Finally wrt mvg, I believe he'll get a run of games, but atm mourinho's trying to find the right mixture of experience and youth. There's no point putting in a youngster for the sake of it as it'll look good for the fans seeing a 20 year old breakthrough.
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    Watch how Lukaku's loan to Everton works out just like Sturridge to Liverpool; he's scoring week in week out whilst we're stuck with Eto'o/Ba/Torres wondering what the **** we were thinking At least he'll be coming back.

    Moses scored on his Liverpool debut too.
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    Yeah at least these two players going out are loans and not permanent deals (for now -- inb4 both of them soon decide they're happy at Merseyside and ask for a transfer request )
 
 
 
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