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    Oh, and yeah, good assessment from nickinis part, lampard struggled against the pace and high tempo game of basel. Still I did want us to stay in the 4-3-3 the whole match, we could afford to experiment in a game like this due to the dynamics of the group. I'd also have thought it would be a waste of time doing so against bucharest, we'd probably win comfortably regardless seeing as they're the weakest of the group and didn't trouble us with pace the way in which basel did over the two games.

    Our Central midfield is lacking, mourinho thought it was a good idea having an extra DM for cover as the pairing weren't good enough defensively, if it temporarily solves our problem with the lack of a good DM/CM then we should try it in low pressure ties against semi good opposition.
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    I don't have time for this, you most likely don't have time for this, lets be friends. Enough nonsense on the thread as it is. There's the match in a couple weeks time if we want to have a squabble over the other teams players. There'll be enough trolling with the controversy, styles of play and the result of the match.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Nicky B is quality mate.

    And then Giroud later on
    Shhhh...details
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    (Original post by FlavaFavourFruit)
    That's controversial...get out.
    u mad?

    still bitter that Basel beat you TWICE? ! :rofl: The irony,of course, is it wasn't too long ago when you guys ripped Man united fans apart for losing to basel hahahaha

    Karma.
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    We won't win the league - fact
    We've got one of the worst balance of team who this season are unable to create even a shot on target let alone chances.
    It's not just this game, against every good side we've not created more than 2-3 chances. Can't break down a team for ****.
    The idiot will keep playing Oscar when Mata made the team tick for 2 full seasons. Until Mata plays we will score very few goals each game, all of our goals recently have been lucky. No creativity whatsoever. Oh, about time we pay big for a striker cos we need 1.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    And did we really not have any shots on target?!



    our 2nd team beat your first team lul

    Arsenal fans
    Fabianski, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Monreal, Bendtner, Rosicky

    FC Basel's beat your first team x2
    Newcastle's first team beat your first team
    Everton's beat your's
    West Brom's would have beat yours bar a ridiculous ref


    Time to spend another £700m, or sack the manager, or find a richer owner.

    Love the way CFC fans take such pride in their squad size. RA opened the cheque book and bought some big names, what an accomplishment !!!
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    We won't win the league - fact
    We've got one of the worst balance of team who this season are unable to create even a shot on target let alone chances.
    It's not just this game, against every good side we've not created more than 2-3 chances. Can't break down a team for ****.
    The idiot will keep playing Oscar when Mata made the team tick for 2 full seasons. Until Mata plays we will score very few goals each game, all of our goals recently have been lucky. No creativity whatsoever. Oh, about time we pay big for a striker cos we need 1.
    Very well put. With that idiot in charge, Chelsea won't go anywhere.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fabianski, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Monreal, Bendtner, Rosicky

    FC Basel's beat your first team x2
    Newcastle's first team beat your first team
    Everton's beat your's
    West Brom's would have beat yours bar a ridiculous ref


    Time to spend another £700m, or sack the manager, or find a richer owner.

    Love the way CFC fans take such pride in their squad size. RA opened the cheque book and bought some big names, what an accomplishment !!!
    :rofl: hahahahaa
    I won't be surprised if they lose against Southampton....a real possibility. I really hope they don't sack Mourinho :lol: he is doing a fantastic job at Chelsea!
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    We won't win the league - fact
    We've got one of the worst balance of team who this season are unable to create even a shot on target let alone chances.
    It's not just this game, against every good side we've not created more than 2-3 chances. Can't break down a team for ****.
    The idiot will keep playing Oscar when Mata made the team tick for 2 full seasons. Until Mata plays we will score very few goals each game, all of our goals recently have been lucky. No creativity whatsoever. Oh, about time we pay big for a striker cos we need 1.
    We're 4 points off top, have a good fixture list until january compared to the teams around us(bar united) can we talk then.

    Kneejerk.
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    Would quite like to see us try this 433 but with Mata taking Oscar's position, with Oscar sitting deeper replacing Lampard. Think Oscar definitely has the work rate to cope (7/8 tackles against West Ham, had a similar ratio against Villa/someone earlier in the season IIRC), and the fairly central positioning of Mata shouldn't stifle him as much as when placed on the wing in a 4231. The the 3-man midfield, particularly with the workrate of Ramires and Oscar should also help him with some of the tracking back responsibilities too. Something like:

    Ivanovic---Terry---Cahill---Azpi--
    ----------------Mikel-------------------
    ----------Ramires---Oscar-----
    --------Mata------------Hazard--------
    -------------------Torres------------

    Could potentially work quite well IMO.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fabianski, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Monreal, Bendtner, Rosicky

    FC Basel's beat your first team x2
    Newcastle's first team beat your first team
    Everton's beat your's
    West Brom's would have beat yours bar a ridiculous ref


    Time to spend another £700m, or sack the manager, or find a richer owner.

    Love the way CFC fans take such pride in their squad size. RA opened the cheque book and bought some big names, what an accomplishment !!!
    :yawn:
    Seriously man, do you really have to do this all the time? You can put up your pile of gas when we face each other in a couple weeks time, if you beat us I'll man up and take your WUMming like a man. Otherwise just focus on your own team or contribute positively to this thread. It's almost an obsession the way in which you and others flock here whether you win or lose.

    Funnily enough when posters here do the same in reaction to your Wumming, you guys complain and say they're hypocrites. I think a certain poster knows what I'm referring to by this paragraph, or the precise term I'm looking for here. I won't say it before it causes the inevitable ****storm.

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    Weirdest thing about it is that you take pride in the way in which your team operates, yet you have little to no influence in what the manager says or does for the club. It's just like voting for one of labour or conservatives, they're not gonna do **** for you unless you know them, the decision will barely affect your lives and you probably don't know most of the things that your vote in getting them to power has contributed for good or bad. They just want your vote of confidence so they can get more power, that's essentially what supporting a football club is like.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Would quite like to see us try this 433 but with Mata taking Oscar's position, with Oscar sitting deeper replacing Lampard. Think Oscar definitely has the work rate to cope (7/8 tackles against West Ham, had a similar ratio against Villa/someone earlier in the season IIRC), and the fairly central positioning of Mata shouldn't stifle him as much as when placed on the wing in a 4231. The the 3-man midfield, particularly with the workrate of Ramires and Oscar should also help him with some of the tracking back responsibilities too. Something like:

    Ivanovic---Terry---Cahill---Azpi--
    ----------------Mikel-------------------
    ----------Ramires---Oscar-----
    --------Mata------------Hazard--------
    -------------------Torres------------

    Could potentially work quite well IMO.
    Good point, I think that Mikel was often isolated today, he could have done with more legs in the midfield. A lot of the time he didn't seem to screen the back 4 well enough, gave away a couple fouls and his ball playing wasn't that great. Reminded me of how we played under AVB. Slow, unable to get behind the defence and just generally no chance creation, improved when hazard injected pace into the side, if we'd had started hazard I think we'd have probably won the game tbh despite how poor we were.

    It's not as if lampards ball retention and general passing is so great that we're willing to lose a lot of mobility for it(pirlo/alonso get this freedom but not lamps) and his positional sense doesn't do much if he's not going to be able to track back and cover on time.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Would quite like to see us try this 433 but with Mata taking Oscar's position, with Oscar sitting deeper replacing Lampard. Think Oscar definitely has the work rate to cope (7/8 tackles against West Ham, had a similar ratio against Villa/someone earlier in the season IIRC), and the fairly central positioning of Mata shouldn't stifle him as much as when placed on the wing in a 4231. The the 3-man midfield, particularly with the workrate of Ramires and Oscar should also help him with some of the tracking back responsibilities too. Something like:

    Ivanovic---Terry---Cahill---Azpi--
    ----------------Mikel-------------------
    ----------Ramires---Oscar-----
    --------Mata------------Hazard--------
    -------------------Torres------------

    Could potentially work quite well IMO.
    wouldn't work with Ramires. Oscar with Mikel or Ramires + Oscar with Schurrle over Hazard because Hazard is not strong enough to track back like Robben and Ribery do for Bayern. Schurrle is good enough to defend and he has done so every game he has played.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fabianski, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Monreal, Bendtner, Rosicky

    FC Basel's beat your first team x2
    Newcastle's first team beat your first team
    Everton's beat your's
    West Brom's would have beat yours bar a ridiculous ref


    Time to spend another £700m, or sack the manager, or find a richer owner.

    Love the way CFC fans take such pride in their squad size. RA opened the cheque book and bought some big names, what an accomplishment !!!
    hahaha! Nvm this thread I should wum the arsenal thread if I'm going to get reactions like this. Didn't no u lot get so easily wound up.

    lets be honest though, it's no surprise that you didn't do well against teams who are better than you (United, chelsea) so idk why you seem so mad
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Good point, I think that Mikel was often isolated today, he could have done with more legs in the midfield. A lot of the time he didn't seem to screen the back 4 well enough, gave away a couple fouls and his ball playing wasn't that great. Reminded me of how we played under AVB. Slow, unable to get behind the defence and just generally no chance creation, improved when hazard injected pace into the side, if we'd had started hazard I think we'd have probably won the game tbh despite how poor we were.
    Mikel is one of our most consistent players, today was the first bad game from him I can recall for awhile, but then again everyone was **** bar perhaps Azpi and Hazard, and they weren't at their best. KDB looked good for his cameo which is encouraging but then again that was literally 4 minutes.

    It's not as if lampards ball retention and general passing is so great that we're willing to lose a lot of mobility for it(pirlo/alonso get this freedom but not lamps) and his positional sense doesn't do much if he's not going to be able to track back and cover on time.
    Yup. This season I've been watching games honestly struggling to decide what Lampard brings to the side that justify starting him over someone else, or not taking him off towards the end of matches in particular where his standard of play noticeably drops due to his age/fitness.

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    wouldn't work with Ramires. Oscar with Mikel or Ramires + Oscar with Schurrle over Hazard because Hazard is not strong enough to track back like Robben and Ribery do for Bayern. Schurrle is good enough to defend and he has done so every game he has played.
    Hazard's tracking back isn't that bad, although I do agree Schurrle is better at it. But what do we really lose from the team by dropping Lampard? I think Mata's creativity is worth dropping Lampard for, Oscar could perform Lampard's current role just as well with the added bonuses of a higher work rate and less trailing off towards the end. Hazard and Mata seem to work very well together which is why I suggested those two (could be Mata + anyone, point I was making was trying to get the best out of Mata without dropping Oscar ie. not sticking either of them on the wing), both have been tracking back though and although they aren't the best we have at it, we shouldn't really be picking our AMs based solely on defensive qualities (our 0 shots on goal today is a testament to this). I think Mikel/Oscar/Ramires would provide enough cover and work rate between them to make up for what they lack anyway.

    Obviously not suggesting we try this out against City/Arsenal or someone, but perhaps against a bottom half of the table team where a defensive shift from every player is less important, and just see how it goes. Not a particularly outlandish formation either which wouldn't be a huge problem to fix midgame should it be a massive disaster.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Fabianski, Jenkinson, Vermaelen, Monreal, Bendtner, Rosicky

    FC Basel's beat your first team x2
    Newcastle's first team beat your first team
    Everton's beat your's
    West Brom's would have beat yours bar a ridiculous ref


    Time to spend another £700m, or sack the manager, or find a richer owner.

    Love the way CFC fans take such pride in their squad size. RA opened the cheque book and bought some big names, what an accomplishment !!!
    What utter drivel :laugh:. No sense of logic to this tbh. Sounds like a load of angry thoughts compiled into one silly comment for no good reason. Embarrassing really...

    (Original post by cleveradam)
    We won't win the league - fact
    We've got one of the worst balance of team who this season are unable to create even a shot on target let alone chances.
    It's not just this game, against every good side we've not created more than 2-3 chances. Can't break down a team for ****.
    The idiot will keep playing Oscar when Mata made the team tick for 2 full seasons. Until Mata plays we will score very few goals each game, all of our goals recently have been lucky. No creativity whatsoever. Oh, about time we pay big for a striker cos we need 1.
    fam you need to relax. Every time we get a bad result you come up with crazy comments like this. Patience.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Mikel is one of our most consistent players, today was the first bad game from him I can recall for awhile, but then again everyone was **** bar perhaps Azpi and Hazard, and they weren't at their best. KDB looked good for his cameo which is encouraging but then again that was literally 4 minutes.
    I feel that Azpi on the right would have stopped that goal, he'd have had a bit more recovery pace if he went to sleep if Ivan did, it wasn't such a high pressure tie that bertrand couldn't have started either.
    Yup. This season I've been watching games on honestly struggling to decide what Lampard brings to the side that justify starting him over someone else, or not taking him off towards the end of matches in particular where his standard of play noticeably drops due to his age/fitness.
    Lamps, it's a weird thing, he gets goals, best expansive passer in CM/DM(due to lack of options) but he probably costs as many goals as he scores. Surely he needs to be playing less games and be kept fresh, he talks about being a ryan giggs for the club, but ryan giggs is often on the bench and comes on when they need a cool head and to play the ball. I don't know if the decision is sentiment on mourinho's part, or lampards desire to play, but eitherway they needs to get their heads into 2013.

    Agree with your team though. Should use it against bucharest. Or at least switch into it. Should try 3atb more as well, that worked out for us well when we chased for a winner earlier in the season.
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    (Original post by Nickini)
    Would quite like to see us try this 433 but with Mata taking Oscar's position, with Oscar sitting deeper replacing Lampard. Think Oscar definitely has the work rate to cope (7/8 tackles against West Ham, had a similar ratio against Villa/someone earlier in the season IIRC), and the fairly central positioning of Mata shouldn't stifle him as much as when placed on the wing in a 4231. The the 3-man midfield, particularly with the workrate of Ramires and Oscar should also help him with some of the tracking back responsibilities too. Something like:

    Ivanovic---Terry---Cahill---Azpi--
    ----------------Mikel-------------------
    ----------Ramires---Oscar-----
    --------Mata------------Hazard--------
    -------------------Torres------------

    Could potentially work quite well IMO.
    Agree with this. The idea of Oscar sitting behind Ramires is also an interesting suggestion; I believe many feel it's worth a shot with a 4-2-3-1 as well. Think his passing has improved and like you said he's very good at tackling + working hard.

    We should really try Mata more. Yes he doesn't track back well but it's not like our defence has been great otherwise, so might as well take a bit of a risk. KDB could very well play in Oscar's position in the 4-3-3 as well; I believe he did that a bit in Bremen + Belgium. We really need to upgrade that area though.

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    Not too confident about Ivan playing RB anymore tbh unless we create more chances through our midfielders. Defensively he's sound but going forward he's as bad as Sagna. We keep playing our threat through him as well which is rather irritating. If we wanted to get our fullbacks to contribute we should've, last season, bought Coleman instead of Azpi (or just use him more since he's a lot better going forward) and start playing Bertrand more. No idea why we're doing this esp. considering we've got proper wingers now in Willian and Schurrle rather than inside forwards/versatile players. (0 out of 5 crosses completed for Ivan today, and overall none of our crosses reached our target, ah...)

    And Mourinho talking about players being tired, well, I don't agree with the selection. We have so much depth so if the players are tired then what's the purpose of playing the same ones when we can add ones who are just as good, if not better. Believe it or not KDB has actually outplayed Hazard in almost every game in a Belgium shirt. Should really be used more.

    edit: and my oh my, didn't Ramires look lethargic today? Not like him!
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Not too confident about Ivan playing RB anymore tbh unless we create more chances through our midfielders. Defensively he's sound but going forward he's as bad as Sagna. We keep playing our threat through him as well which is rather irritating. If we wanted to get our fullbacks to contribute we should've, last season, bought Coleman instead of Azpi (or just use him more since he's a lot better going forward) and start playing Bertrand more. No idea why we're doing this esp. considering we've got proper wingers now in Willian and Schurrle rather than inside forwards/versatile players. (0 out of 5 crosses completed for Ivan today, and overall none of our crosses reached our target, ah...)

    And Mourinho talking about players being tired, well, I don't agree with the selection. We have so much depth so if the players are tired then what's the purpose of playing the same ones when we can add ones who are just as good, if not better. Believe it or not KDB has actually outplayed Hazard in almost every game in a Belgium shirt. Should really be used more.

    edit: and my oh my, didn't Ramires look lethargic today? Not like him!
    I wouldn't call willian and schurrle proper wingers, they're hybrids of the two imo. I think while schurrle stretches play, at times he can come narrow, cut in and take a shot. Essentially theo walcott type inside forward, nowadays anyway there aren't many out and out wingers, bale e.g. changed his game from a winger to a free role player.

    I'd say willian is more of a playmaker, but his speed means that he can be utilised as a winger, but again I think he's best in a free role stringing the play and drifting from wing to centre like mata does for us, he did that well against us last season and I think we would see the best of willian in that role, who while he has impressed and showed that he's a 30m player, isn't really wowing us due to the plethora of talent we have in the role.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    :yawn:
    Seriously man, do you really have to do this all the time? You can put up your pile of gas when we face each other in a couple weeks time, if you beat us I'll man up and take your WUMming like a man. Otherwise just focus on your own team or contribute positively to this thread. It's almost an obsession the way in which you and others flock here whether you win or lose.

    Funnily enough when posters here do the same in reaction to your Wumming, you guys complain and say they're hypocrites. I think a certain poster knows what I'm referring to by this paragraph, or the precise term I'm looking for here. I won't say it before it causes the inevitable ****storm.

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    Weirdest thing about it is that you take pride in the way in which your team operates, yet you have little to no influence in what the manager says or does for the club. It's just like voting for one of labour or conservatives, they're not gonna do **** for you unless you know them, the decision will barely affect your lives and you probably don't know most of the things that your vote in getting them to power has contributed for good or bad. They just want your vote of confidence so they can get more power, that's essentially what supporting a football club is like.
    Arsenal fans have developed a massive superiority complex when it comes to Chelsea. Obviously can't bring themselves to admit that Chelsea are the top club in London.

    Anyway, tonight was very poor, but hey we qualified. Bring on Southampton.
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    What does Mourinho see in Ramires? Most times we were through on goal and he ****ed up. Slipping/not shooting/ karate kicks. He's not good enough to play for us regularly.

    Btw, that was our worst performance this season. Second half we were in control but our final pass/ finishing touch was off.
 
 
 
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