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    Am I the only one that thinks Lampard has been poor this season.

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    (Original post by Kruz)
    Am I the only one that thinks Lampard has been poor this season.

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    Read the last 2/3 pages.
    His time is up as an automatic starter, should play the giggs role from now on. He knows it, Mourinho knows it too but they're taking a time trip back to 2007 if he keeps on playing 2 games a week.
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    What does Mourinho see in Ramires? Most times we were through on goal and he ****ed up. Slipping/not shooting/ karate kicks. He's not good enough to play for us regularly.

    Btw, that was our worst performance this season. Second half we were in control but our final pass/ finishing touch was off.
    Work rate and pace obvs.

    We'd have won the game if we put hazard on at the start. He is getting into form rather quietly i feel. Since oscar has played 2 matches in a week, played like around 100 or so games since the olympics last year, the kid needs a rest, we should play mata in a 4-2-3-1.

    Considering the poor game oscar had, while he was good last week he should be dropped if Mourinho really is a person to pick on form.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)

    Considering the poor game oscar had, while he was good last week he should be dropped if Mourinho really is a person to pick on form.
    With the way he "consoled" him when he took him off I'll be surprised if he does. Mourinho's got Oscar fever and with about 4 days before the next game he'll probably say he's rested enough


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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Work rate and pace obvs.

    We'd have won the game if we put hazard on at the start. He is getting into form rather quietly i feel. Since oscar has played 2 matches in a week, played like around 100 or so games since the olympics last year, the kid needs a rest, we should play mata in a 4-2-3-1.

    Considering the poor game oscar had, while he was good last week he should be dropped if Mourinho really is a person to pick on form.
    I just don't like Ramires because he's a central midfielder and he can't

    a)pass
    b)control the ball well or
    c)shoot

    He has no composure on the ball, and all the aforementioned is what Yaya Toure has alongside pace and energy.

    I'm not really a fan of what Mourinho's doing at the minute. Mata has done nothing wrong and yet he's being frozen out. Couple that with the fact that our results haven't been great (he's doing the bare minimum atm) and you have a concerned Chelsea fan. He's got the Oscar beer goggles on and he dare not take them off even if Oscar hasabad game.

    There's also strong rumours that Mata is going to PSG either in January or the summer which doesn't please me. If they give us Pastore I may not mind although I'm not sure how out of form Pastore is seeing as he hardly plays
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    Pastore for Mata would be a real bad piece of business.
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    (Original post by Malevolent)
    Pastore for Mata would be a real bad piece of business.
    Why? He's lazy I guess but his ball control is probably better than Mata's. He's slow but he's got quick feet, good vision and is only 24

    If it's Pastore + 15/20 it really isn't. Plus, if Mata isn't playing Mourinho will cash in anyway
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    What utter drivel :laugh:. No sense of logic to this tbh. Sounds like a load of angry thoughts compiled into one silly comment for no good reason. Embarrassing really...



    fam you need to relax. Every time we get a bad result you come up with crazy comments like this. Patience.
    Half of our goals have been lucky this season.
    We've not dominated a game 100% like the WBA game till we had to go out and score, why does it always take the brink of being on defeat for Jose Mourinho to set out an attacking mentality to the side?
    It's not 1 game that we've not looked like scoring, it has been many games this season.
    Lampard isn't a creative midfielder that he may have been years ago, and with Mikel all he looks to do is pass around and pass the ball back to the defense never creating anything attacking. Mikel is good for games when we need to park the bus, if we need goals it's suicidal to play him because he never passes the ball forward, its either to the wings or back to defense.
    I cannot recall a single game which we have dominated completely like City do, after we score a goal Jose Mourinho gets all happy and the players sit back a little.
    What if West-Ham actually scored the tap in in the very opening minutes of Saturday evening and we'd gone 1 down?
    And not playing 1 team constantly enough is a killer, it doesn't allow the midfield to settle.
    Jose Mourinho is the biggest idiot for stating he takes the blame and blames the defeat on the players being tired! - is he stupid in the head? he probably had 6 other options in midfield and could have played Ba or Torres and changed the defense around for Luiz/Bertrand. What kind of bs is that excuse - rather then giving excuses after excuses why doesn't he state the problem and deal with it e.g. my players terrible attitude in the game resulted in the defeat - its not as if we've played terrible for 1 out of 10 games and this is just a 1 off game. The past 5-6 games we've not looked like breaking down a team.
    I fully expect us not to create many chances against Southampton because of the high-line they play and extremely fast closing down style they play. Had the problem just been a 1 off day yesterday, no Chelsea fan would be upset, it is the ridiculous excuses he gives in interviews then no reaction since the Newcastle game.
    As for Mata, if Man Utd buy him, I wouldn't even be mad because he deserves more respect and alot more game time, any team would jump on the chance of purchasing a player like Mata, hardworking, humble, world-class gameplay, excellent attitude when being treated like dirt.
    Essien could be the fix to the lack of creativity, he's passing at Madrid was immense. Too bad he's just a loaf of bread now.
    I really find it hard watching this team struggle to even create a single, valid chance in a game.
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)

    There's also strong rumours that Mata is going to PSG either in January or the summer which doesn't please me. If they give us Pastore I may not mind although I'm not sure how out of form Pastore is seeing as he hardly plays
    Do you know WHY pastore doesn't play? He's been a 40M flop
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Half of our goals have been lucky this season.
    We've not dominated a game 100% like the WBA game till we had to go out and score, why does it always take the brink of being on defeat for Jose Mourinho to set out an attacking mentality to the side?
    It's not 1 game that we've not looked like scoring, it has been many games this season.
    Lampard isn't a creative midfielder that he may have been years ago, and with Mikel all he looks to do is pass around and pass the ball back to the defense never creating anything attacking. Mikel is good for games when we need to park the bus, if we need goals it's suicidal to play him because he never passes the ball forward, its either to the wings or back to defense.
    I cannot recall a single game which we have dominated completely like City do, after we score a goal Jose Mourinho gets all happy and the players sit back a little.
    What if West-Ham actually scored the tap in in the very opening minutes of Saturday evening and we'd gone 1 down?
    And not playing 1 team constantly enough is a killer, it doesn't allow the midfield to settle.
    Jose Mourinho is the biggest idiot for stating he takes the blame and blames the defeat on the players being tired! - is he stupid in the head? he probably had 6 other options in midfield and could have played Ba or Torres and changed the defense around for Luiz/Bertrand. What kind of bs is that excuse - rather then giving excuses after excuses why doesn't he state the problem and deal with it e.g. my players terrible attitude in the game resulted in the defeat - its not as if we've played terrible for 1 out of 10 games and this is just a 1 off game. The past 5-6 games we've not looked like breaking down a team.
    I fully expect us not to create many chances against Southampton because of the high-line they play and extremely fast closing down style they play. Had the problem just been a 1 off day yesterday, no Chelsea fan would be upset, it is the ridiculous excuses he gives in interviews then no reaction since the Newcastle game.
    As for Mata, if Man Utd buy him, I wouldn't even be mad because he deserves more respect and alot more game time, any team would jump on the chance of purchasing a player like Mata, hardworking, humble, world-class gameplay, excellent attitude when being treated like dirt.
    Essien could be the fix to the lack of creativity, he's passing at Madrid was immense. Too bad he's just a loaf of bread now.
    I really find it hard watching this team struggle to even create a single, valid chance in a game.
    Bro I understand your concern but it's a slight over-reaction.
    Mata should be playing. He's been left out of the team for no reason at all and it's really testing my patience with Jose as we're not getting results, so the blame has to be put on him not playing Mata.
    I can't stand Mourinho's blind love for Ramires. He's not good enough to be starting in our central midfield. Esepcially when we have the immobility of Lampard and Mikel, with Mikel lacking ambition in passing.

    I would say that in the second half vs Basel, our approach play was good, but on 3-4 occasions the final pass was off and we easily could have created 3-4 clear cut chances.
    Our problem is not chance creating IMO. The games we have lost (except Basel at home), we were pretty wasteful in front of goal. Against Newcastle, we had enough chances to warrant us a goal at least and against Everton, we should've been 2 up by the time they had their first goal.

    Our midfield is not good enough. I'm sorry but when our team is worth 2-300 million in transfer fees, why are we getting dominated in midfield by Basel? I honestly think our main problem is that since we last won the league in 2010, we have been unable to control games in the same way due to not replacing players like Ballack,Makelele, prime Essien. Our points tally since then (71, 64 and 75) shows a clear dip from when we used to be getting 83-90 points each season when we had those players. There's only so much you can do with our team, especially with the absence of quality in the centre of the park. There's a few central midfielders out there we could buy. Ramires and Mikel should not play together, because neither can pass the ball forward well consistently. Lampard slows us down and shouldn't be starting (no offence, but he probably should have left at the end of last season).
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    Do you know WHY pastore doesn't play? He's been a 40M flop
    Actually, Ancelotti played him pretty much all the time in his time there. Laurent Blanc isn't a fan of the player simply. He had a good first season and was OK last season (good in Europe).

    Apparently Liverpool are in for him for 15/20 million. I've seen him play and he'd definitely improve Liverpool's team
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    Bro I understand your concern but it's a slight over-reaction.
    Mata should be playing. He's been left out of the team for no reason at all and it's really testing my patience with Jose as we're not getting results, so the blame has to be put on him not playing Mata.
    I can't stand Mourinho's blind love for Ramires. He's not good enough to be starting in our central midfield. Esepcially when we have the immobility of Lampard and Mikel, with Mikel lacking ambition in passing.

    I would say that in the second half vs Basel, our approach play was good, but on 3-4 occasions the final pass was off and we easily could have created 3-4 clear cut chances.
    Our problem is not chance creating IMO. The games we have lost (except Basel at home), we were pretty wasteful in front of goal. Against Newcastle, we had enough chances to warrant us a goal at least and against Everton, we should've been 2 up by the time they had their first goal.

    Our midfield is not good enough. I'm sorry but when our team is worth 2-300 million in transfer fees, why are we getting dominated in midfield by Basel? I honestly think our main problem is that since we last won the league in 2010, we have been unable to control games in the same way due to not replacing players like Ballack,Makelele, prime Essien. Our points tally since then (71, 64 and 75) shows a clear dip from when we used to be getting 83-90 points each season when we had those players. There's only so much you can do with our team, especially with the absence of quality in the centre of the park. There's a few central midfielders out there we could buy. Ramires and Mikel should not play together, because neither can pass the ball forward well consistently. Lampard slows us down and shouldn't be starting (no offence, but he probably should have left at the end of last season).
    Ivanovic - Terry - Cahill - Azpilicueta
    Oscar and Ramires in midfield - also, David Luiz should play in CDM but won't happen.
    Hazard - Mata - Schurrle
    Torres

    Mata is a similar player like Iniesta. Absolute class in every aspect of the game except defense.
    United will be keeping a very close eye on Iniesta and will try their best to lure him away in the next window.
    Sturridge left - he is doing amazing. Why is he doing amazing? because he never got given a chance to prove his ability at Chelsea.
    Now substitute Mata's name in that equation and it is even worse because Mata has proven to be one of the worlds most elite midfielder in the past 2 seasons, especially the last season, he was in a league of his own.
    All hell will break loose at the Bridge against Southampton if we loose and Mata is benched.
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Ivanovic - Terry - Cahill - Azpilicueta
    Oscar and Ramires in midfield - also, David Luiz should play in CDM but won't happen.
    Hazard - Mata - Schurrle
    Torres
    I think De Bruyne could play in CM too. He's got the composure and control to do it. Probably bot quick enough to play in a more advanced role.
    Not sure of Schurrle- I prefer Willian because he knows how to take on players better and has better ball control and passing. Scurrle is probably better for stronger teams to nullify their threat going forward.

    This track-back bull**** Mourinho is harping on about is about as effective as what Benitez was doing. It's almost made no difference to the results we've been getting. Plus, I actually liked what Benitez was doing. It was more positive and at least he was experimenting (Luiz in midfield) and playing Mata which made Hazard better as they have this understanding with each other.
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
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    I fully understand your concerns tbh. However, look at the table, look at our fixtures and where we are currently, look how the other teams are doing with easier/similar fixture lists and we're not really in a bad situation.

    That's why I'm not too fussed, we're able to take points away from home vs the big teams and can win majority of our home games(take City) and tbh, while we've looked rather jammy this season, bar 2009-2010 where we were dishing out 6-0's, 8-0's and that, has there ever been a season where we pretty much dominated every team without prolonged periods of edgy play and containing pressure?

    The way I see it, the only team I'm scared of would be arsenal in their current form. But we can beat them tbh.
    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    I just don't like Ramires because he's a central midfielder and he can't

    a)pass
    b)control the ball well or
    c)shoot

    He has no composure on the ball, and all the aforementioned is what Yaya Toure has alongside pace and energy.

    I'm not really a fan of what Mourinho's doing at the minute. Mata has done nothing wrong and yet he's being frozen out. Couple that with the fact that our results haven't been great (he's doing the bare minimum atm) and you have a concerned Chelsea fan. He's got the Oscar beer goggles on and he dare not take them off even if Oscar hasabad game.

    There's also strong rumours that Mata is going to PSG either in January or the summer which doesn't please me. If they give us Pastore I may not mind although I'm not sure how out of form Pastore is seeing as he hardly plays
    Oh, don't worry, we've talked a lot about ramires here. I don't like him, but he's a necessary evil until we get an actual central midfielder with work rate and passing ability. Oscar replacing ramires isn't the answer here due to his lack of strength and not being as good energy wise, he'd have to replace lampard for that to work. I don't think we should be experimental and put in de bruyne and oscar in either, I'd personally like it if he stuck to a first 11.

    We struggled to get a player who could retain possession in CM in 2010, personally I think a mixture of carlo and the board are to blame. Which tbh, I can now see why Carlo was sacked(although he deserved another season), saying he'll play the youth like mceachran, kakuta and sturridge, doesn't play them, doesn't replace the old players with the signings required.

    I don't mind too much we lost tbh, we tried a tactic vs west ham which worked well, then tried it away in europe to see if it had the same effect, if we'd started hazard we'd have won the match tbh.
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    Im not an expert but why cant our players flick the ball when crowded in the attacking third?
    Wish we had Rooney...
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    I agree with the people who've said Jose has some weird man crush on Oscar. We shouldn't be building our new style around someone who's still quite naive and developing. He cannot lead or spearhead our attack. It should be Mata who needs to be given regular games. It's stupid to judge Mata and KdB on the odd performance, give them a run and then judge ffs.

    Jose is testing my patience with his stubborn and biased team selections, and the results are beginning to reflect this.
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    (Original post by Isometrix)
    I agree with the people who've said Jose has some weird man crush on Oscar. We shouldn't be building our new style around someone who's still quite naive and developing. He cannot lead or spearhead our attack. It should be Mata who needs to be given regular games. It's stupid to judge Mata and KdB on the odd performance, give them a run and then judge ffs.

    Jose is testing my patience with his stubborn and biased team selections, and the results are beginning to reflect this.
    Against Southampton who play a high line and close down quick, we need a person who can pass the ball in all directions. If he doesn't play Mata I can't see whose going to thread the balls through. Lampard can't pick out a pass for his life now and will get run over by an energetic and aggressive Southampton side. Mikel is too slow at picking passes and will get run over. Why not try Essien for a game? Or even Luiz - I don't understand why he hasn't worked out that we need a midfielder to control the game.
    Do you guys think Mata will stay? He can only have so much patience.
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    (Original post by Isometrix)
    I agree with the people who've said Jose has some weird man crush on Oscar. We shouldn't be building our new style around someone who's still quite naive and developing. He cannot lead or spearhead our attack. It should be Mata who needs to be given regular games. It's stupid to judge Mata and KdB on the odd performance, give them a run and then judge ffs.

    Jose is testing my patience with his stubborn and biased team selections, and the results are beginning to reflect this.
    Really agree with you there buddy.

    I'm a massive Jose fan, as a person I love him to bits but you're honestly bang on. I do have faith in him, he's an expert tactician and I know he knows what he's doing. That's what he's paid for.

    But for the life of me I just can't agree with him on the Mata issue. At first I thought he was just playing his psychological games to, who was at the time, our star player to send a message to the players that nobody's place is secure.

    We're gonna lose Juan and Kevin and IMO, that's two incredible talents leaving the team. That said, Oscar has put in some truly stellar performances for us, but I just don't think he's as much of a threat as Mata.

    Frustrating.
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Do you guys think Mata will stay? He can only have so much patience.
    No I honestly don't.

    He knows himself what a talent he is and IMO, there's not team in the world that would not want him.
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    (Original post by Isometrix)
    I agree with the people who've said Jose has some weird man crush on Oscar. We shouldn't be building our new style around someone who's still quite naive and developing. He cannot lead or spearhead our attack. It should be Mata who needs to be given regular games. It's stupid to judge Mata and KdB on the odd performance, give them a run and then judge ffs.

    Jose is testing my patience with his stubborn and biased team selections, and the results are beginning to reflect this.
    Agree here. Oscar should be dropped if he's not been good or not had a good game, similar thing happens with nani for united(mata situation). I do think that oscar has done well enough this season to warrant starting though.

    Although I'd say that the results have been indifferent, not poor, but indifferent, we beat city at home, only dropped 2 points at home this season and got away draws against our opponents for the title/top 4, which count as their dropped points looking at our home record. We then consider that City haven't been any better with a stronger first 11 and a perceivably easier fixture list, or United have been worse with a similar fixture list to ours and spurs can't score to save their lives. The league has a different dynamic to the previous few seasons, where at least 6 teams will get around 70 points and challenge for top 4.
 
 
 
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