The Chelsea F.C. Thread IV

Reckon Lukaku got a reprimand after his performance that day and he got angry if I'm being honest.
Really strange situation though. We can either get 30m for him or just put him in the squad. I'm not too bothered with either option although I'd like him to stay, decision would have been made easier if we'd kept sturridge though.

Its been a spiralling situation for the past two years, although people would blame mourinho for not starting him which probably compounded to this I don't think its his fault. I'd say that the fernando torres effect is affecting all our strikers. No coincidence both our promising strikers have forced moves away the past 6 months and we've been still playing this dud.

Yeah its weird, always appeared pretty level headed to me. Maybe his success has got to him?

Not sure about Sturridge. He's been having problems with Liverpool with regards to attitude, so I've heard. These attitudes may hold these players back tbh.

Nah he's just an arrogant douche. After the CL victory he refused to collect a medal because he thought he didn't contribute enough. If you want to help the team then go and celebrate the biggest moment of the club's history ffs. Tbh it's not different to the attitude of most 20 year olds, who think they're better than they actually are. Courtois is in the same position but he hasn't been a dick about it. He could easily play for any top team in the world yet he's chosen to stay with us and accepted his loan spells (for now...)

Lukaku was never in Mourinho's plans. I mean he didn't start against Villa, Hull or United or Bayern. I guess if he stayed long enough, he would have got his opportunity around this time and would cement himself in the starting XI, but why would Lukaku risk that in a WC year. He could've ended up being another KDB. It was the right choice and Mourinho is only getting arsey because the media has made it out as if letting him go was a massive failure (which it is, since the manager decides who goes on loan and who doesnt, not the player). I think a few of you are starting to get bitter over Lukaku simply because hes banging the goals in lol.

Lol, Courtois has been kind of arrogant though. Saying he's already in the top 5 and will challenge anybody for a place since he thinks he's that good.

Can't find an article which says that on Eurosport...and I struggle to even see why he'd do that?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/25158153

He does say here he'd consider staying at Everton if they got CL though.

Yeah but he hasn't disrespected or criticised the club.

Lol, Courtois has been kind of arrogant though. Saying he's already in the top 5 and will challenge anybody for a place since he thinks he's that good.

He was in his plans, we originally was going to get rid of demba ba. Lukaku then puts in a transfer request which explains everything.

Bar that, I agree with everything else you're saying. Lukaku made the right decision, I'd have done the same thing, maybe with a bit more humility in the process.

I don't blame mourinho for what he did, it was the right decision on both parties considering the circumstances.

I didn't know he handed in a transfer request. This must be new. Fact is though, even when a player hands in a transfer request its not the end of the world. Given the focal point of Mourinho's coaching is his man-management letting Lukaku go was very, very poor. I mean even Lambert kept Benteke and got him to sign another contract. And it does show that Lukaku wasn't really in his plans since he bought Eto'o in, limited his opportunities to 20 minutes a game, and didn't fight enough to keep him for this season.

But is he not right?
I don't get why we're blaming these players, they're close to world class and certainly can reach that level in a year or two yet are farmed on loan year on year. With Courtois it's completely understandable, Cechs used to the league and more experienced and reliable so it's a sheg on his part. With Lukaku, he should have been getting gametime last year, he didn't because of torres. He should have been starting this season, he didn't because of torres.

An idiot could see that Lukaku would have been our second best striker at the start of last season yet we loan him out then start our worst striker of the three. It's that mentality of reputation over ability that has held us back recently. It's why we didn't play romeu, it's why we haven't used chalobah, it's why lamps still starts as a DM and gets 90mins, it's why we never used sturridge or lukaku. We then blame it on the player then wonder why they're banging goals for other teams that trust them.

I look at arsenal and think, if aaron ramsey or jack wilshere broke their leg playing for us, they'd have been loaned off to vitesse or sold for peanuts. You, I and every single poster on this forum who knows a thing about football knows that's the case.

Sorry for long posts, the situation is pissing me off.

Hm, perhaps, he definitely will be in the future and perhaps even the best. Not sure about top 5 just yet but surely among the best and the best young keeper.

Perhaps with Lukaku, maybe Jose was relying on him being an impact player, and couldn't guarantee him starts but still wanted him to stick around and fight for his place. José just feels like Lukaku took the easy way out, or maybe just feels that Lukaku didnt show the right mentality/team loyalty to stick around and fight like others have, as was previously mentioned.

Idk. I'm trying to find some motivation to get riled up about this situation and debate but I can't be bothered right now. Feel too relaxed

Oh and just to add, whilst the other two have obviously been scoring a lot, multiple goals there doesn't automatically translate to the same amount of goals here at Chelsea. Would've obviously got more than Torres but I'm not sure if they'd be banging them in for fun. Sturridge scored 12 goals in one of his seasons for us though. Meh.

Agree with first 3 paragraphs. Not with the fourth, Sturridge got 12 goals on the right wing and also got 7 in 12 for a relegation team up top, if there was any conclusive evidence that he should have started up top when fit, that was it.

Tbh, I've had the thoughts about torres since the west brom game we lost last year, that he's unwittingly parasitic to any striker who wants to succeed at chelsea who doesn't have as big a name as him.

Yeah I added that bit in the end. I'm just saying in general, and it's similar to some people wanting to buy people like Falcao or Jackson Martinez -- absolutely prolific goalscorers at their clubs -- their records may not automatically translate to the same vast number of goals here.

Wonder how Courtois will develop. I'd put him at 6th or 7th really. Can't say he's straight away better than Cech although I wouldn't really have a problem with that. He's really saved us on numerous occasions. Big game player and still a beast after his injury. Courtois reminds me of him before his injury tbh.

Yeah I added that bit in the end. I'm just saying in general, and it's similar to some people wanting to buy people like Falcao or Jackson Martinez -- absolutely prolific goalscorers at their clubs -- their records may not automatically translate to the same vast number of goals here.

Wonder how Courtois will develop. I'd put him at 6th or 7th really. Can't say he's straight away better than Cech although I wouldn't really have a problem with that. He's really saved us on numerous occasions. Big game player and still a beast after his injury. Courtois reminds me of him before his injury tbh.

Lol don't compare Falcao to Martinez... at least not yet anyway.
Falcao is one of the most clinical strikers in football.

...I wasn't. I was listing strikers with high goal-scoring records, and saying that record wouldn't be the same if those strikers were here. Could do the same for many others.

...I wasn't. I was listing strikers with high goal-scoring records, and saying that record wouldn't be the same if those strikers were here. Could do the same for many others.