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    (Original post by Skkc16)
    Interesting that when he reeled off that list of the highest scoring strikers he missed Lukaku who has around the same goals with some of the people he mentioned
    Tbf, that's something he'd do.

    But tbh we sent him off on loan, he's not going to use him in an argument to get a striker immediately, especially since we can't get him back until the end of the season.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Tbf, that's something he'd do.

    But tbh we sent him off on loan, he's not going to use him in an argument to get a striker immediately, especially since we can't get him back until the end of the season.
    Yes true. The whole situation is strange, we brought in a 30 yr old who he now says he can't improve but sent out a 20 yr old he would be able to. Btw while on the subject, you're one of the people calling for someone like Falcao to be bought but if that happens what do you think the situation with Lukaku would be like going forward?

    ETA: Winning the league with these 3 strikers would feel pretty sweet because it seems so impossible.
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    I've been away this weekend and didn't see the game, what happened? How on earth did we lose? An opportunity missed to take points off Arsenal.
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    (Original post by Skkc16)
    Yes true. The whole situation is strange, we brought in a 30 yr old who he now says he can't improve but sent out a 20 yr old he would be able to. Btw while on the subject, you're one of the people calling for someone like Falcao to be bought but if that happens what do you think the situation with Lukaku would be like going forward?
    I agree the situation is strange with the Lukaku loan, but I think Lukaku demanded it and we decided not to force him to stay and have an unhappy player interfering. There were some rumours that after the Bayern game Lukaku demanded a transfer. We definitely don't know the full story behind it, anyway, but I'm sure it will come out eventually. The way he acts towards the club is not acceptable, imo.

    If we do get a striker in Jan, I imagine we'll offload Ba, as he'd be the easiest to flog in the January window. After that, who knows what would happen in summer - probably we'd offload either Eto'o or Torres, or even both.
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    Who realistically could we get that would improve our strikeforce? No one in Jan would come here.

    Apparently Rooney can buy out his contract next season? Not sure if this is true or not but that's something to consider...
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    (Original post by Skkc16)
    Yes true. The whole situation is strange, we brought in a 30 yr old who he now says he can't improve but sent out a 20 yr old he would be able to. Btw while on the subject, you're one of the people calling for someone like Falcao to be bought but if that happens what do you think the situation with Lukaku would be like going forward?

    ETA: Winning the league with these 3 strikers would feel pretty sweet because it seems so impossible.
    It won't be a problem, Age wise, we'll flog ba easily and eto'o won't have his contract renewed, getting rid of torres will be the hard part, but there'll no longer be the pressure of having to start him due to his price tag.

    If we can get rid of torres, then lukaku will get games.
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    Yeah, I don't even know. Definitely forget about Falcao, Suarez, Lewandowski, Cavani et al. Not in January, and for some of them probably no chance in summer either. People like Jackson Martinez or Diego Costa might be more feasible. Both on fire at the mo. So is De Rossi at Fiorentina, but with his injury record? Probably not. And then there are random guys like Burak Yilmaz, or we could look at Dzeko, if City would even sell him to us.
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    Or Berbatov LOL
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    (Original post by mhsc)
    Comments on strikers are interesting, I thought he had dismissed the idea of getting a striker in January but now I'm not so sure. It would be nice to finally have a quality striker in their prime again, haven't had that in years and years (since the days when Drogba was truly in his prime). Seeing quality strikers carry so many of the top 5/6 to easy wins against some of the teams we've been struggling against...That would be such a relief.

    But, much more than that, I wish we would sort out our ****ing central midfield. We either need to sign someone or get De Bruyne involved in a central midfield role. His long passing has always really, really impressed me. I wish we could whack Mata's left foot (..and vision) on Ramires, we would have the most incredible DLP the world has ever seen :coma:
    A striker would have a greater immediate impact I think, if we could only buy one player in January I'd want a striker tbf. Our CM definitely needs improving and isn't of the required calibre, but in the context of the league it's relatively okay IMO (not compared to the other top teams of course, but it's no worse than Liverpool's and better than United's, and has recently held its own against much better midfields in Bayern/City/Arsenal/Tottenham). Obviously improvements in this area would give us a massive boost and are essential, particularly if we want to seriously contend for the CL, but I think a top striker would improve our chances of winning the league vastly, which I think should be our target for this season (or at least putting in a strong challenge). Midfield can be sorted over summer when there will likely be better options.

    (Original post by Skkc16)
    Yes true. The whole situation is strange, we brought in a 30 yr old who he now says he can't improve but sent out a 20 yr old he would be able to. Btw while on the subject, you're one of the people calling for someone like Falcao to be bought but if that happens what do you think the situation with Lukaku would be like going forward?

    ETA: Winning the league with these 3 strikers would feel pretty sweet because it seems so impossible.
    I think he brought in Eto'o expecting to be able to revive his previous ability, which if it worked would have been excellent, but so far it hasn't and I'm skeptical as to whether it will either.

    I think part of the reason Lukaku wanted to go on loan was that he doesn't want to be challenging for a starting spot at this stage of his career, he justs wants to be starting almost irrespective of form, which is probably the best thing for him, but meant he didn't want to stay here. Not sure how he'd react if we brought in a new striker, but Eto'o will likely be leaving at the end of the season, hopefully with Torres too but Ba would probably be easier to sell. Perhaps selling both would be a good sign of intent for Lukaku as he'd be the only other striker bar this new striker?

    Although I can't even really think of a decent and plausible option for a striker in January; reckon the Falcao leaving rumours are 99% BS (and nothing would happen until summer anyway), don't think Rooney/Costa/Suarez would even consider leaving (and we'd have to pay a premium if they did) and I don't want us to just get Martinez/Yilmaz for the sake of it, unless Mourinho is completely sold on them (and I suspect if he was we'd have gone for them over summer).
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    Idk why but I think we're going to lose to Derby. Will Hughes to score against us.

    Such is life as a Chelsea fan getting overly-worried about lower league teams...
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    For the Bucharest game, at this point I wouldn't even be against having Schurrle up front. Got nothing to lose. Think JT needs a rest and maybe Cech although that might not be too good of an idea...


    Cech

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    (Original post by mhsc)
    Yeah, I don't even know. Definitely forget about Falcao, Suarez, Lewandowski, Cavani et al. Not in January, and for some of them probably no chance in summer either. People like Jackson Martinez or Diego Costa might be more feasible. Both on fire at the mo. So is De Rossi at Fiorentina, but with his injury record? Probably not. And then there are random guys like Burak Yilmaz, or we could look at Dzeko, if City would even sell him to us.
    Benzema? His contract expire in 2015

    Either him or Rooney
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    Looking at that article again, I'm quite disappointed in Mourinho. Simple fact is, and what we learn now, is that Jose underestimated Lukaku and he overestimated Torres.

    When Jose came out last week or the week before about Lukaku not telling everyone the full story, it wasn't impressive. It seems to me Jose is trying to imply he's blameless in the fact Lukaku is out on loan, trying to pin all the responsibility on the player.

    Whether or not Lukaku is the finished product, he should be here, and he shouldn't be on loan for Everton. Very poor management tbh.
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    Whilst we're on the topic of our dreadful strikeforce, all 3 need to go by at least next summer.

    Torres won't suddenly turn into his old ways again, he's past it. And when he does score, we're all surprised-we shouldn't be surprised ! When Augero or RVP or Suarez scores, it's not a surprise, it's expected.

    Eto'o isn't good enough, lucky at times too.
    Ba is ba...not valued as much as the others so doesn't get games but when he does, I'm not too impressed.

    Get lukaku back and buy Rooney.
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    Benzema? His contract expire in 2015

    Either him or Rooney
    Funniest thing is that both are very likely, it all depends on who gets top 4, if united get top 4, it'll most likely be at the expense of liverpool, meaning that Madrid will buy suarez, which leaves space for benzema as he would want to be the main striker which he would be over here. There's the case that united don't make top 4 and we then take rooney who's in his last year and wouldn't want to be playing europa league football.

    I'd be wary of benzema though, back around the first two years under mourinho I would have taken him in a heartbeat, now I'm not so sure, he got 20 goals and 20 assists last season in all competitions, which does seem good, but in comparison to 35 goals and 15 assists the 2011-12 season, I'd say that he's not been as good and may not be an automatic choice, again one can blame it on mourinho pissing off the whole team and rotating him more than usual and he has got 10 goals and 8 assists so far this season, which is fairly steady.

    He'd be an improvement, but if we're buying somebody for big bucks, really they should be getting a goal a game falcao style or in general terrorizing the other team like drogba did.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Looking at that article again, I'm quite disappointed in Mourinho. Simple fact is, and what we learn now, is that Jose underestimated Lukaku and he overestimated Torres.

    When Jose came out last week or the week before about Lukaku not telling everyone the full story, it wasn't impressive. It seems to me Jose is trying to imply he's blameless in the fact Lukaku is out on loan, trying to pin all the responsibility on the player.

    Whether or not Lukaku is the finished product, he should be here, and he shouldn't be on loan for Everton. Very poor management tbh.
    Agree, it was a mistake, especially since he said that he can't improve a 30 year old, yet loans out a 20 year old and buys a 30 year old, it's just him backtracking on his words, especially since he talks about the pressure of a young team and is now complaining about the age of our strikers.

    Anyway he's still got a point, our strikers are terrible and if he gets a kitty in jan for a player like falcao we might as well take it. He'll hand us the league on a plate and we'd be pretty scary to face in the CL, could turn us from likely QF's to Finalists.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Agree, it was a mistake, especially since he said that he can't improve a 30 year old, yet loans out a 20 year old and buys a 30 year old, it's just him backtracking on his words, especially since he talks about the pressure of a young team and is now complaining about the age of our strikers.

    Anyway he's still got a point, our strikers are terrible and if he gets a kitty in jan for a player like falcao we might as well take it. He'll hand us the league on a plate and we'd be pretty scary to face in the CL, could turn us from likely QF's to Finalists.
    I'd say that in terms of potential Champions League winning capability, there are 2 leagues. There's the elite (Madrid, Barca, Bayern) and then there's the other top sides (Dortmund, Juventus etc )

    Cluster 1- Barca, Madrid, Bayern

    Cluster 2- Man City, PSG, Dortmund, Chelsea, Juventus, Arsenal, Atletico

    City and PSG are probably the strongest on paper in that group (especially in attack), but we're not too far off. Dortmund got beat in the Bundesliga and are miles off the pace but are dangeous, while Juventus' central midfield is formiddable and one of the best in Europe (Vidal, Pirlo, Pogba, Marchisio).

    I'd say Dortmund have got a style of play and chemistry, as well as a quick counter-attack which makes them difficult to play against. Saying that, one or two injuries can mess up the balance of their team. They haven't got enough cover in my opinion.

    Atletico remind me of our team around 04-06, but they're not quite as good IMO.

    Arsenal have been in good league form and look much settled with Ozil.

    Falcao would definitely give us an edge against most of the teams because we're quite good at creating chances. Just a shame we don't finish them off
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
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    I agree with that. Especially with atletico, they seem a carbon copy of us 8 years ago.

    If you were to rank us, where would you rank us out of current teams in europe. We assume that the front 3 are Bayern, Barca and madrid in that order, but where would you put us?
    The most interesting thing is that at least one of these teams would face each other in the round of 16. We haven't even included the likes of United.

    It's good to see so many good teams capable of winning the competition though. If United get taken out of the top 4, do you think the replacement will be in this tier e.g. spurs or liverpool if they keep suarez or would they be in uniteds/napoli's/Milan's tier? I assume that you probably put those teams in the third tier. Like around where we were 2 years ago.
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    I would put us behind Juve and Dortmund (when they have an injury free team) as well. The rest of them is pretty close, tbh I think our team is better than Arsenal's/Atletico's but they're both in very rich form and have been for a while.
 
 
 
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