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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Considering the amount of chances we had in the first half, the only thing awful was our finishing, we controlled that first half and should have been 2/3 up. They got a jammy set piece goal from a goalkeeping error, then they get their next goal from a clear foul, hats off to their final goal and while timewasting is annoying I would be a hypocrite if I were to condemn it.
    Saw the 2nd half and you were undeniably poor. No control over the midfield or tempo of the game, O'Keeffee was running it for a bit FFS, and your defending from set plays was all over the shop. But Mourinho is capable of turning things around in a week so expecting a very tough and close match.
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    (Original post by Enoxial)
    Is it just me or Essien lacked a little confidence today?
    I felt like that was the case in the beginning but I think he grew into the game. I saw him break up play and sort of drive forward or do som good forward passes


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    (Original post by Enoxial)
    Ramires wasted them against Stoke and today aswell.
    Which is why we need a CM/DM if not both, it's the only position we really lack, I can handle not having a class striker as all 3 of our strikers will do a job and Lukaku is waiting in the wings, but I can't handle this midfield problem, it's been apparent for years. Should have got Moutinho.

    Anyway, great again that mata is getting game time, I didn't watch the full match, but does it seem like he's getting into form?

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    Is it just me or Essien lacked a little confidence today?
    Lack of gametime
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Saw the 2nd half and you were undeniably poor. No control over the midfield or tempo of the game, O'Keeffee was running it for a bit FFS, and your defending from set plays was all over the shop. But Mourinho is capable of turning things around in a week so expecting a very tough and close match.
    Not talking about the Crystal Palace match, the stoke match which is why I said that we conceded 3 goals. Which was a game I couldn't accept losing.
    I saw the second half of the Crystal Palace and we were poor, had chances but we weren't too great, I accept that, but true champions do that anyway, like you guys vs southampton.

    We'll step up, so will you guys.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Not talking about the Crystal Palace match, the stoke match which is why I said that we conceded 3 goals. Which was a game I couldn't accept losing.
    I saw the second half of the Crystal Palace and we were poor, had chances but we weren't too great, I accept that, but true champions do that anyway, like you guys vs southampton.

    We'll step up, so will you guys.
    Oh sorry, my mistake

    I actually have a sort of perverse happiness in playing badly but winning sometimes because I believe that form tends to go in cycles and good form will soon follow
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Which is why we need a CM/DM if not both, it's the only position we really lack, I can handle not having a class striker as all 3 of our strikers will do a job and Lukaku is waiting in the wings, but I can't handle this midfield problem, it's been apparent for years. Should have got Moutinho. Anyway, great again that mata is getting game time, I didn't watch the full match, but does it seem like he's getting into form?
    I agree.


    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Lack of gametime
    (Original post by Skkc16)
    I felt like that was the case in the beginning but I think he grew into the game. I saw him break up play and sort of drive forward or do som good forward passes
    I think he's going to be helpful.


    Aside from this I think its very frustrating why we can't take the ball forward and it inevitably reaches Ivanovic at the wing who tries to cross, we don't pass when there's a window of opportunity and we don't generally do wall passes.

    Willian was great tbh.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    I actually have a sort of perverse happiness in playing badly but winning sometimes because I believe that form tends to go in cycles and good form will soon follow
    I have to go through this nonsense in winning as jammily as possible every single week, we've turned into the new man united.

    How you feeling about the game btw? Think if you get a signing or two in january(striker+winger) then you will win the title. This window will be crucial for both our teams tbh, not so much for City, United will definitely be in the market and liverpool too.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Which is why we need a CM/DM if not both, it's the only position we really lack, I can handle not having a class striker as all 3 of our strikers will do a job and Lukaku is waiting in the wings, but I can't handle this midfield problem, it's been apparent for years. Should have got Moutinho.

    Anyway, great again that mata is getting game time, I didn't watch the full match, but does it seem like he's getting into form?
    It looked like Willian was playing through the middle with Mata on the right. So you can imagine he didn't do much in the game, so I'm not sure having this extra competition for CAM is benefitting him. I think something similar is happening to Cazorla over at Arsenal too.

    In other news, Ramires is the most frustrating player ever. He scores some of the most amazing goals but he is still far from a finished product. I think Mourinho will get the best out of him this season. We should just roid him up so we can have our very own Yaya Toure :moon:
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    Fernandinho totally bossed the game against the gooners today. Happy to see him doing well because everyone was calling him a waste of money. Worried about how we'll react to them though because both him and Yaya Touré bossed us in the past.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Still think that we have the best chance of getting anything out of the game vs city at the etihad. Still if we had a CM/DM we'd be the best team in the league by a decent distance.

    Today just showed how good fernandinho is. Against us he ran the show at shaktar, surely we should have strengthened that position then seeing what happened. It's a ridiculous price we'd have had to pay for him though and looking at our transfer policy now I don't think we'll be buying anybody over the age of 25 for above 15m.

    Can't wait till the CL games though.

    Bring on arsenal next week. Going to be hard, but seeing as giroud hasn't been too great recently, I doubt they'll be as ruthless as you'd expect, fast mixed raced kid and ozil will be their main threat. I'm sure Wenger knows that he needs a bit of wide play and directness to beat us, Which is why I'd like Cole to start against Walnut, as he'll stretch the play, I wouldn't want an opposite footer to play there and be narrow as walcott will beat him on the outside. Plus Cole invariably steps up against opposition in big games. He does at least one goal line clearance in it.
    What would your lineup be?
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    The way they're going, I'd settle for a narrow defeat haha
    Hehe got to be optimistic man city look dangerous every time they attack !
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    Tbh schweinsteigger bossed us in the past, so has most of the barcelona team, we're just going to have to park bus, narrow down and hope for the best on the break. It's what we've been doing to stronger teams in midfield for years.

    With Willian+Mata. I think that Mourinho did originally say that He wants to turn Mata into an inside forward, or at least get him to cut in from the flank, problem is that he has no pace, but I think that Mata is smart enough to adapt to the movements, it would help us in keeping possession in the final third as well which is another option, although I still think we're best with fast wingers and a natural playmaker in the middle like mata/oscar.

    Willians best role is a free role, drifting from flank(left flank best) to the middle where its hard for him to be picked up, he would be great there if it wasn't for the fact that hazard plays on the left and Mata has a pretty free role too. The 4-2-2-2 he played was interesting, so was the 3-5-2/3-6-1. Hopefully we play that some more this season.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    I have to go through this nonsense in winning as jammily as possible every single week, we've turned into the new man united.

    How you feeling about the game btw? Think if you get a signing or two in january(striker+winger) then you will win the title. This window will be crucial for both our teams tbh, not so much for City, United will definitely be in the market and liverpool too.
    Was at the CC game where you just dealt with us but that was about 5 players short of our 1st team. I think Chelsea are severely imbalanced at times but you got it spot on that night. Jenkinson ****ed up royally for the first goal and after that it was game over as you soaked up the pressure and just waited for the counter, but even then it was a brilliant individual effort from Mata for the 2nd. I can see the game going the same way again tbh in that we'll completely dominate possession and you'll wait for your chance.

    Also think Mourinho is more of a big game manager than Wenger, AW doesnt really change approach from game to game whereas you know Mou is going to mix it up to get everyone up for the AFC game this week. Which is why I dont read too much into your poor form atm, Mou is pretty good at starting on a blank page for big games. Also youve got some big game players like Cole to come in who will frustrate the **** out of us as usual.

    From our perspective, we wont be anywhere near as poor as weve been over the last week with Gibbs back, today was a classic example of how important he is to our defensive game. We were very sloppy in midfield today too but I put this down to having flown back from a tough game in Southern Italy on Thursday morning more than anything. Walcott likes playing against Chelsea, esp Terry and with CFC playing on the counter is a useful counter-counter attack player. Giroud badly out of form and hard to back him to score atm, so similar to CFC strikers so I feel the game could be decided by a moment of magic from one of the mid fielders from either side.
    I'd probs go with Rosicky next week, with you guys playing so deep we need someone like him who can change the pace and direction of our attacks more than someone like Cazorla who is inclined to go with the flow rather than set it.
    Long story short: Team that scores first wins, neither team's strikers can score.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    What would your lineup be?
    Against arsenal.
    Cech
    Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill, Cole
    Ramires, Mikel
    Schurrle, Oscar, Hazard
    Ba
    Reason why I say ba is due to his physical presence, he runs in behind the defenders and sticks in position, a hybrid between a poacher and a target man, his link up play isn't as good as say torres or eto'o. But with Koscielny potentially out, they'll lack as much pace covering, which will mean that we could possibly run at the defenders with pace and Vermaelen hasn't had much playing time so will probably make a defensive error or two. This is why Ba would be a good player for this, If we struggle to keep the ball which will definately happen in the match, we would have a player to hoof up to.

    Now you wonder why no Mata, I think that Oscar will press arteta or ramsey, like he did against kroos in the supercup or against pirlo last year. Mata can come in the second half for oscar or schurrle if we're struggling to retain the ball in the final third, like he did against tottenham.

    Arsenal play with a high line as well, I don't think they'll change that just because koscielny is out, since they are at home as well. But the wings will be crucial for this game.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Was at the CC game where you just dealt with us but that was about 5 players short of our 1st team. I think Chelsea are severely imbalanced at times but you got it spot on that night. Jenkinson ****ed up royally for the first goal and after that it was game over as you soaked up the pressure and just waited for the counter, but even then it was a brilliant individual effort from Mata for the 2nd. I can see the game going the same way again tbh in that we'll completely dominate possession and you'll wait for your chance.

    Also think Mourinho is more of a big game manager than Wenger, AW doesnt really change approach from game to game whereas you know Mou is going to mix it up to get everyone up for the AFC game this week. Which is why I dont read too much into your poor form atm, Mou is pretty good at starting on a blank page for big games. Also youve got some big game players like Cole to come in who will frustrate the **** out of us as usual.

    From our perspective, we wont be anywhere near as poor as weve been over the last week with Gibbs back, today was a classic example of how important he is to our defensive game. We were very sloppy in midfield today too but I put this down to having flown back from a tough game in Southern Italy on Thursday morning more than anything. Walcott likes playing against Chelsea, esp Terry and with CFC playing on the counter is a useful counter-counter attack player. Giroud badly out of form and hard to back him to score atm, so similar to CFC strikers so I feel the game could be decided by a moment of magic from one of the mid fielders from either side.
    I'd probs go with Rosicky next week, with you guys playing so deep we need someone like him who can change the pace and direction of our attacks more than someone like Cazorla who is inclined to go with the flow rather than set it.
    Long story short: Team that scores first wins, neither team's strikers can score.
    Good assessment. I think the same about the match, I don't think at this point Mourinho will be too willing to play for a draw away like we did with Spurs and United.

    Rosicky is a player I really like tbh, very underrated player, his change of pace in dictating the tempo is probably as good as wilshere at doing so for you guys if not better. I want wilshere to get back into the form of mid last season after his injury until the spurs match at WHL.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Against arsenal.
    Cech
    Ivanovic, Terry, Cahill, Cole
    Ramires, Mikel
    Schurrle, Oscar, Hazard
    Ba
    Reason why I say ba is due to his physical presence, he runs in behind the defenders and sticks in position, a hybrid between a poacher and a target man, his link up play isn't as good as say torres or eto'o. But with Koscielny potentially out, they'll lack as much pace covering, which will mean that we could possibly run at the defenders with pace and Vermaelen hasn't had much playing time so will probably make a defensive error or two. This is why Ba would be a good player for this, If we struggle to keep the ball which will definately happen in the match, we would have a player to hoof up to.

    Now you wonder why no Mata, I think that Oscar will press arteta or ramsey, like he did against kroos in the supercup or against pirlo last year. Mata can come in the second half for oscar or schurrle if we're struggling to retain the ball in the final third, like he did against tottenham.

    Arsenal play with a high line as well, I don't think they'll change that just because koscielny is out, since they are at home as well. But the wings will be crucial for this game.
    This is good and I agree however Ivanovic is suspended isn't he? Also, Mata has 4 goals in 5 against Arsenal haha so it may be a good idea to include him eventually.

    I am quite worried about this though. Our set piece defending is so bad and in general it hasn't been great.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)

    Rosicky is a player I really like tbh, very underrated player, his change of pace in dictating the tempo is probably as good as wilshere at doing so for you guys if not better. I want wilshere to get back into the form of mid last season after his injury until the spurs match at WHL.
    He's our most direct attacking midfielder. He should definitely get more game time. Could've honestly been one of the best in the world if it wasn't for injuries. I still vividly remember him in Euro 2004. Him + Nedved = :coma:
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    This is good and I agree however Ivanovic is suspended isn't he? Also, Mata has 4 goals in 5 against Arsenal haha so it may be a good idea to include him eventually.

    I am quite worried about this though. Our set piece defending is so bad and in general it hasn't been great.
    If Ivan is suspended, we use azpilicueta, no problem here. I would have used him originally, but I just think Ivan is fairly solid so no point taking him out for a big game.

    Mata does have a great record vs arsenal though so yeah could always put him there too. But stifling the CM's of arsenal will be crucial, oscar is the best at doing this on the other team.

    I would like to see us play 4-3-3 more, not now as its risky changing formation, but I think that Mourinho tinkering is a little too much(even though it works a lot), I understand if we're losing, but e.g. we play 3atb when trying to win a match and it works great, we then stop playing that then go 4-3-3 and works well, we then get beat by basel and he hasn't played that since, he'll do the same with the 4-2-2-2. I wonder whether its a case of him preparing for that formation in training for that situation, or if he does it for the variation and to be seen as a tactical genius(which he undoubtedly is tbf)
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    This is good and I agree however Ivanovic is suspended isn't he? Also, Mata has 4 goals in 5 against Arsenal haha so it may be a good idea to include him eventually.

    I am quite worried about this though. Our set piece defending is so bad and in general it hasn't been great.
    Ivanovic got lucky because the league cup game on Tuesday will count as his suspension so he's available against Arsenal.
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    (Original post by Isometrix)
    Ivanovic got lucky because the league cup game on Tuesday will count as his suspension so he's available against Arsenal.
    Very much doubt that it's luck. Mourinho has been caught before telling his players to take yellow cards on purpose to get suspensions at the right time...
 
 
 
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