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    against Liverpool. Suarez will be your biggest problem obviously but you'll need be worried about other player like Coutinho as well. Most of their plays comes through him. I legit think he is better than Oscar. Lucas has been brilliant and is mostly reliable but prone to careless challenges,and Allen helps them control the flow of the game. Henderson thrives of Lucas, Allen and Coutinho, and plays tirelessly from box to box. If Allen and Lucas do a good job of controlling flow of game, I see no reason that they lose the game.

    Meanwhile at Chelsea, defense has been leaky as ever. your strikers are awful. Only good players are your wingers and attacking midfielders. Agree? Mourinho's home record is not looking like it'll last long.
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    (Original post by Dogwithwings)
    against Liverpool. Suarez will be your biggest problem obviously but you'll need be worried about other player like Coutinho as well. Most of their plays comes through him. I legit think he is better than Oscar. Lucas has been brilliant and is mostly reliable but prone to careless challenges,and Allen helps them control the flow of the game. Henderson thrives of Lucas, Allen and Coutinho, and plays tirelessly from box to box. If Allen and Lucas do a good job of controlling flow of game, I see no reason that they lose the game.

    Meanwhile at Chelsea, defense has been leaky as ever. your strikers are awful. Only good players are your wingers and attacking midfielders. Agree? Mourinho's home record is not looking like it'll last long.
    I agree with your first paragraph, Oscar vs Coutinho, I think Coutinho is better at threading through the final ball and a better dribbler, but Oscar is better defensively, it depends on what you want from the player anyway.

    I'd say however, if we get a Central midfielder and can go through the Christmas period unscathed, our defence will look much better, see Arsenal, once Ramsey improved with Arteta and Flamini coming in, their defence has looked as good as it's ever been under Wenger the past 10 years. I think we'll still keep our record as long as we don't lose to Liverpool. City were the only team I was scared of us losing our record to and we've dropped only 2 points less than City dropped at home this season.
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    Oscar is way better than Coutinho, Coutinho when he's really really on it can be brilliant but he's been terrible in plenty of the games I've seen him in. Oscar has achieved consistently good performances with regularly mixed in MOTM performances. Another level, imo.
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    To be fair we've technically lost it if you consider the WBA game... not really a surprise if Mourinho loses it.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    To be fair we've technically lost it if you consider the WBA game... not really a surprise if Mourinho loses it.
    Yeah, but I'm sure in our original run under Mourinho we've had lucky decisions that helped us in our unbeaten run.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Yeah, but I'm sure in our original run under Mourinho we've had lucky decisions that helped us in our unbeaten run.

    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Yeah, but I'm sure in our original run under Mourinho we've had lucky decisions that helped us in our unbeaten run.
    Yeah I was thinking this as well although this time it was right at the very last second it had happen so it was extreme luck!
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    To be fair we've technically lost it if you consider the WBA game... not really a surprise if Mourinho loses it.
    You could say that, but you could also say in the lead up to West Brom's second goal there was a foul on our player and play should've been brought back.

    Our home record thing is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Winning the league is priority. The Champions League is more reliant on the elite (Real Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern Munich) having bad days and it's not something we can control. What we can do is beat the teams that are not as good as us in the Premier League (of which there are up to 13-15 definite) and see the big teams take points off each other. That's where the smart money's at.

    If we finish second and have a CL semi-final, it's definitely something to build on. Hopefully Guarin slots in nicely so that Lamps can retire gracefully.

    The striker problem is a non-issue IMO. Our attacking midfielders are taking up a lot of work because our central midfielders are not keeping the ball well enough and our strikers are not scoring. Getting a midfielder or two can relieve the pressures of the attacking midfielders, while giving them more space to provide for the strikers. Ba looks a nuisance if the ball is in the air, and Luiz pinged 4-5 lovely long-range passes to Demba Ba who was missing that finishing touch
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    I have to disagree on the first bit. Some people bring this up but looking through it I don't think it was a foul. I agree with the rest though.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    I agree with your first paragraph, Oscar vs Coutinho, I think Coutinho is better at threading through the final ball and a better dribbler, but Oscar is better defensively, it depends on what you want from the player anyway.

    I'd say however, if we get a Central midfielder and can go through the Christmas period unscathed, our defence will look much better, see Arsenal, once Ramsey improved with Arteta and Flamini coming in, their defence has looked as good as it's ever been under Wenger the past 10 years. I think we'll still keep our record as long as we don't lose to Liverpool. City were the only team I was scared of us losing our record to and we've dropped only 2 points less than City dropped at home this season.
    Yeah he doesn't track back like Oscar but I think that will improve over time. Very good creatively.

    That's true, although I think you'll really have to sort the issues out in January or else it probably won't last the season. Strange how you've invested so much but still need to fix some vital issues. This brings me to my next point: how do you rate your depth? I mean its all well and good having good midfielders but is it really working? Not trying to be cynical - but honestly think Chelsea's 'depth' is overrated. City have quality players in every position, which would be classified as actual depth. Chelsea have 3 strikers who are all worse than Giroud. I'd rather have quality over quantity.
    Don't follow Le arse as you know but I'll mention them since people always comment on their lack of it

    On paper they've got a GOAT midfield - but in reality Mourinho is either not using them correctly, or they just aren't performing. The strongest possible Chelsea side was still beaten comfortably by Newcastle.

    On top of all that - Arsenal have had the most injuries in the league so far (source: injuryleague.com. not sure how legit). Chelsea have apparently been one of the luckiest teams in terms of injuries, and are still beneath Arsenal atm.

    edit: Since Arsenal's lack of depth is mainly aimed at the strikers -
    Schurrle+Ba+Eto'o+Torres' league goals combined: 8
    Giroud+Walcott+Bendtner league goals combined: 10. That's not even including Podolski's 2 goals and the fact that Pod and Walcott have been injured all season. Chelsea's intimidating depth...
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    (Original post by Dogwithwings)
    Yeah he doesn't track back like Oscar but I think that will improve over time. Very good creatively.

    That's true, although I think you'll really have to sort the issues out in January or else it probably won't last the season. Strange how you've invested so much but still need to fix some vital issues. This brings me to my next point: how do you rate your depth? I mean its all well and good having good midfielders but is it really working? Not trying to be cynical - but honestly think Chelsea's 'depth' is overrated. City have quality players in every position, which would be classified as actual depth. Chelsea have 3 strikers who are all worse than Giroud. I'd rather have quality over quantity.
    Don't follow Le arse as you know but I'll mention them since people always comment on their lack of it

    On paper they've got a GOAT midfield - but in reality Mourinho is either not using them correctly, or they just aren't performing. The strongest possible Chelsea side was still beaten comfortably by Newcastle.

    On top of all that - Arsenal have had the most injuries in the league so far (source: injuryleague.com. not sure how legit). Chelsea have apparently been one of the luckiest teams in terms of injuries, and are still beneath Arsenal atm.

    edit: Since Arsenal's lack of depth is mainly aimed at the strikers -
    Schurrle+Ba+Eto'o+Torres' league goals combined: 8
    Giroud+Walcott+Bendtner league goals combined: 10. That's not even including Podolski's 2 goals and the fact that Pod and Walcott have been injured all season. Chelsea's intimidating depth...
    With our depth, I think we have the best depth for wingers and AMs, only bayern munich have better strength in depth in that position in the world. Besides that, everything else is not up to standard or average for the top teams. I don't think our defence is any worse than that of Arsenals, liverpools, manchester City, United or real madrids/dortmunds. But our Central midfield regularly make them look like mugs. Only teams with a better defence personnel wise would be barca(debatable), atletico, Juve and Bayern.

    Personally think Arsenals midfield is stronger as they're balanced, they have a good AM/winger trio and balance that with good CM's. We have a better AM/winger trio than Arsenals but a poor CM duo. Their balance helps them in midfield.

    You're right, too many average/useful players but not enough reliable week in week out world class players on our team(bar AMs), our strikers being the biggest example of this. I'm still not worried about Arsenal, the way in which we play we'll narrow the spaces and make it hard for arsenal to play through, their only threats in the match are walcott and ozil. Nullify them and that's game won.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)

    You're right, too many average/useful players but not enough reliable week in week out world class players on our team(bar AMs), our strikers being the biggest example of this. I'm still not worried about Arsenal, the way in which we play we'll narrow the spaces and make it hard for arsenal to play through, their only threats in the match are walcott and ozil. Nullify them and that's game won.
    Ramsey is having a reasonable season too you know. Giroud looks tired but he'll have had 9 days off for the game and if he's on it then he'll be very useful in helping to play through you. Not so easy to defend deep and narrow with him backing into you and flicking others in. You're not great defensively atm, actually fancy Mertesacker/Giroud to dismantle you from a set piece, never thought I'd feel that way vs Mou!

    Think the outcome depends on how we play rather than how CFC play, if were not on it, as we werent in the CC, then I'll want to pull my eyes out by the end of it. If we turn up we win I feel.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Ramsey is having a reasonable season too you know. Giroud looks tired but he'll have had 9 days off for the game and if he's on it then he'll be very useful in helping to play through you. Not so easy to defend deep and narrow with him backing into you and flicking others in. You're not great defensively atm, actually fancy Mertesacker/Giroud to dismantle you from a set piece, never thought I'd feel that way vs Mou!

    Think the outcome depends on how we play rather than how CFC play, if were not on it, as we werent in the CC, then I'll want to pull my eyes out by the end of it. If we turn up we win I feel.
    For us, I don't think Ramsey will be the main threat. He'll help with controlling the midfield, but I don't see him being a matchwinner in the way that Ozil and Walcott will do so. That's the reason why we have ramires anyway. Giroud may be jaded, but he generally struggles against us, both games last season he was missing sitters against us and generally struggled considering that he was doing the same thing against City last match, I don't think he's going to suddenly improve and actually destroy us in a match even with a 10 day rest.

    Depends on who we use in defence, I'd like to use Cahill, Terry and Ivan, they're good enough at defending set pieces, if we use Luiz, we'll probably concede a pen from shirt grabbing, otherwise we'll be fine set piece wise. We've been doing the same tactic for seasons and your record against us has been pretty poor, even this season(albeit with our second teams) we've shown that it's the same story for the most part. Only times you've beat us the past 4-5 seasons were the 3-1 when we were on that poor run of form and the 5-3 when we changed our style of play for that game. Generally, the way we play will make it hard for you guys to win even if you turn up.

    I won't be surprised to see a draw or a Chelsea win.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    I have to disagree on the first bit. Some people bring this up but looking through it I don't think it was a foul. I agree with the rest though.
    Fair enough, but Sessegnon's goal was just terrible keeping from Cech. Tbh, we should've scored at least 10 minutes before the penalty. We had at least 3 opportunities to get the equaliser. While it was unfair the circumstances in which West Brom conceded, our goal was coming. It's not like we created nothing and suddenly got a lucky break. We were pressurising their defense and something gave, although unfortunately given the circumstances.

    I was watching the replay to the incident and whoever fouled Ramires definitely nudged him in the back and didn't take the ball. I've seen free kicks given for that. Maybe he went down easily but Ramires is lighter than a piece of string and when you're running at speed, anything can knock you off balance.
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    Fair enough, but Sessegnon's goal was just terrible keeping from Cech. Tbh, we should've scored at least 10 minutes before the penalty. We had at least 3 opportunities to get the equaliser. While it was unfair the circumstances in which West Brom conceded, our goal was coming. It's not like we created nothing and suddenly got a lucky break. We were pressurising their defense and something gave, although unfortunately given the circumstances.

    I was watching the replay to the incident and whoever fouled Ramires definitely nudged him in the back and didn't take the ball. I've seen free kicks given for that. Maybe he went down easily but Ramires is lighter than a piece of string and when you're running at speed, anything can knock you off balance.
    Ha, whenever I made those responses/those comments I knew what you would say in response yourself! Yes, it was terrible keeping from Cech. Really though if you take those things into account It's not that we were outplayed we were just not feeling it that game. Had Cech saved that and still won the penalty then we would've won e.g.

    It's still annoying as hell that we were not able (not much better now) to finish the chances though
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    just have to share a brilliant comment/article about the team. Basically lots of people stated that there aren't any warriors in the team and no one physically imposing

    The other side to this argument, of course, is that we've had players with plenty of "steel" and zero creativity and ended up with the same pattern of results. Think Khalid the Kannibal or Steve "Gerrard" Sidwell.

    The raging hard-on for big players who like to put in a hard tackle or two, conflated with the idea that these players are somehow more passionate or more committed always amuses me. Meanwhile the likes of West Ham and Stoke struggle for league survival season after season while the likes of Swansea fly high.

    Out of the very top teams in the world at the moment, only Manchester City with Toure have someone i'd consider properly physically imposing. Meanwhile, we have both Michael Essien and Jon Obi Mikel, who are as aggressive as wet lettuce.

    Aggression and the "warrior" mentality have nothing, absolutely nothing to do with a player's physical attributes. It has everything to do with their mindset and while personality plays a part it is something that is the responsibility of the manager to teach, nurture and dare I say enforce.

    You want proof? Luis Suarez. Sergio Aguero. Andres Iniesta. Marco Reus. Watch them play. Watch them harass defenders off the ball because they genuinely feel affronted when they don't have it. Watch them run at their defenders because they genuinely desire to humiliate and destroy them. And not a single one of these players could be described as anything else but a "flair" or "tiny nifty" player.

    The English-media fuelled perception is that technically gifted players are weak, feminine and in need of protection. I think that Chelsea fans who are so obsessed with justifying our place in "proper" football hierarchy too readily buy into these stereotypes in the face of glaring evidence to the contrary.

    We also need to remember that these players are not isolated within their team; their coaches actively encourage the same mentality in all their teammates too, with one notable exception in Sergio Aguero. City are a team with Aguero and Toure who do possess the correct mentality but the rest of the team do not. That to me is proof that for success, this aggression needs to come from the coach down and not from isolated individuals

    ...It's also not right to label the team 'flat-track bullies either'. I get your point about our home vs away form but that's true of virtually any club. In fact, on the basis of this season alone, we've consistently put in credible performances against quality opposition while struggling against the lesser lights and that pattern is evident across competitions and venues.

    It's the shrinking violent syndrome we've discussed in the past, but I think it manifests itself more in the players (and honestly, fans) always wanting to play the safe, victim, underdog option rather than having the balls to actually play as champions and winners.
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    Ha, whenever I made those responses/those comments I knew what you would say in response yourself! Yes, it was terrible keeping from Cech. Really though if you take those things into account It's not that we were outplayed we were just not feeling it that game. Had Cech saved that and still won the penalty then we would've won e.g.

    It's still annoying as hell that we were not able (not much better now) to finish the chances though
    That is irritating to not finish off chances.

    Just looking through the stats actually.

    City and Liverpool have a similar amount of shots on goal compared to us, yet both have scored significantly more than us. Arsenal have taken fewer shots yet scored pretty much the same amount. Saying that, Arsenal are often accused of trying to walk the ball into the net, so it's no surprise their shooting accuracy is better than ours. In the case of Liverpool and Man City, they have better strikers than us clearly. Would be fair to say we'd probably be top if we had a prolific goalscorer. Wouldve helped us in games that we shouldn't have dropped points in (Everton , Newcastle, West Brom) having created several opportunities
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    Watched some videos of Guarin today- seems a decent player I guess.

    He's very athletic (as plenty of South American players are) and is a decent passer of the ball. Can thread in good passes too. Reminds me a bit of Michael Essien of old although he's quicker. He also seems fairly aggressive as a player. Not sure about his first touch though...

    Probably better than Ramires overall but we'll have to see how he fits in with the rest of the team.

    Would've liked Rakitic from Sevilla or Cabaye but he seems set to go to Atletico (sad times).

    We need a proper cool head in CM, like a Gundogan or Sahin
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    just have to share a brilliant comment/article about the team. Basically lots of people stated that there aren't any warriors in the team and no one physically imposing
    Toure the correct mentality lmao
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    (Original post by 9MmBulletz)
    Watched some videos of Guarin today- seems a decent player I guess.

    He's very athletic (as plenty of South American players are) and is a decent passer of the ball. Can thread in good passes too. Reminds me a bit of Michael Essien of old although he's quicker. He also seems fairly aggressive as a player. Not sure about his first touch though...

    Probably better than Ramires overall but we'll have to see how he fits in with the rest of the team.

    Would've liked Rakitic from Sevilla or Cabaye but he seems set to go to Atletico (sad times).

    We need a proper cool head in CM, like a Gundogan or Sahin
    Guarin is an interesting player, he's got good technique and is a better option than what we currently have. You're right about us definitely going to go for a CM in january too :lol: I did think when Mourinho said there's a key difference between his last Chelsea side and this side that he was alluding to the Central midfield.

    (Original post by baconbutty)
    Toure the correct mentality lmao
    This, Toure is a lazy **** when defending. He goes on one surging run(which is beasty) and gasps for air the next 20mins.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    Guarin is an interesting player, he's got good technique and is a better option than what we currently have. You're right about us definitely going to go for a CM in january too :lol: I did think when Mourinho said there's a key difference between his last Chelsea side and this side that he was alluding to the Central midfield.


    This, Toure is a lazy **** when defending. He goes on one surging run(which is beasty) and gasps for air the next 20mins.
    Dont talk about my ***** Toure like that.

    If you was in prison, he would make you his *****. how's that for lazy?
 
 
 
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