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    (Original post by jam277)
    I'm not too scared of united, don't think we'll lose. Think we'll get a draw considering the way united played vs arsenal I don't think they'll beat us. We rested quite a few key players too or gave them a little run out where they didn't exert themselves too much so we'll be at full strength and good form.

    Reckon a 1-1 draw.
    Yh draw is a good shout but with the quality of your team no reason you can't go there and win. Hate the illusion that OT is some kind of fortress.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Tbh everybody but Chelsea fans judge RDM as a very average and fortunate manager. How many job offers has he got since he left?
    Show me where anybody said that. You're just another butthurt fan who's jealousy and disdain know's no bounds. Fricking sick of you.

    Sorry if that's really harsh but I'm done reading your "opinions".
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    (Original post by TheInvincibles14)
    You guys need to lay off Rafa. He's underrated, if he leads you to the Europa League and Top 4 that's a decent season. Handled the situation with real dignity. Think the Mourinho chants tonight showed a real lack of respect.
    Are we saying he's crap. No we're not. But someone just came here and ****ged off RDM for no reason saying he got lucky with 2 cups. Despite thrashing tottenham and winning a cup final vs liverpool and beating barca and bayern while we're at it. Let's not add beating you guys and tottenham away(when both were in great form)
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    (Original post by The Assassin)
    A lot of United fans have said they were playing in 2nd gear because: 1) they had no reason to win 2) they were still feeling the effects of the celebrations. Bit of an exaggeration but do you not think they'll perform better?

    2-2 tbh.
    United weren't even trying against Arsenal. Lets hope they don't switch on for us aswell. If United even tried a little bit, they would have over run Arsenal with ease (no disrespect to Arsenal)
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    (Original post by jam277)
    What jobs are there for him to get? He's won the CL so is obviously too big for clubs like reading etc. Where would he seriously get a job? What club has sacked their manager this season that isn't a relegation team. Seriously man I know you might not rate him but at least look with some objectivity. There has been no jobs. At most the QPR job and then they were looking at redknapp for weeks anyway.

    I could say that benitez is fortunate that he got a great valencia team and that he was fortunate the owners gave him loads of time at liverpool and he won **** all after his second season.

    German clubs promote german managers. Maybe italy but no top club has lost their manager there bar roma. So where would the jobs be? If you could give me a serious place where he could have got a job then I'd believe what you're saying.
    Southampton, QPR, Sunderland?

    I would be absolutely amazed if any top 10 club, or even a Premiership club, hired him. He was a terrible manager for West Brom and winning the CL in the manner he did will not impress anyone really. Just before he got the CFC job Birmingham City rejected his CV ffs.

    The defensiveness of Chelsea fans over RDM confuses me. Its not an attack on CFC to say your ex-manager was not responsible for your massive success last year.
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    (Original post by Eboracum)
    Congratulations. People should back Benitez. He's a great manager. He's a better manager than RDM who simply got lucky with two cups. Sad to see Chelsea fans chanting for Jose when RB is the manager. Spoilt brats.
    Bored of this BS to be honest, no one's saying RDM is the greatest manager in the world, and no one's saying we weren't fortunate, but I don't see how you can put winning the CL by beating Napoli 4-1 to overcome the 3-1 deficit and then going on to beat Benfica, Barcelona and Bayern purely down to luck. Not to mention he beat Spurs 5-1 in the FA cup semi final and Liverpool 2-1 in the final.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Tbh everybody but Chelsea fans judge RDM as a very average and fortunate manager. How many job offers has he got since he left?



    Had this out a year ago when you lot were slaughtering me for saying RDM would be sacked before xmas. Judging every one of your CL matches last year, its hard to credit RDM for much. Your defense was excellent but Terry/Cole/Ivanovic were an excellent defensive unit years before he arrived. Drogba scoring from your only attack in the final is not exactly revolutionary either. Maybe you can credit him for recognising that he needed to let Terry/Lampard control things on the pitch rather than trying to interfere himself.

    Obviously RDM is held in high esteem because of his history as a player but there's no point making him out to be a great manager when he was just in the right place at the right time, and of course very very lucky.
    Do you think RDM deserved a sacking? Considering that united failed to make it out of an easy group last year and lets not even talk about city...
    How about the napoli match? The benfica first leg too. Obviously we had a huge slice of luck in the semis and the final but I can just as easily interpret that as taking our chances when under AVB we didn't(e.g. the 3-1 loss and 3-3 vs united)

    His man management is part of management is it not? It's clearly a trait he was good at.
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    How do you all feel about facing Benfica?

    A chance for Matic against his old club to show how good he has become too. I can't fault him this season. Benfica have had a cracking season with quite a few of their players looking superb. I would put him right at the top of that list as Benfica's player of the season. Going back 9 or so months you would never have found me saying a good word about him.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Southampton, QPR, Sunderland?

    I would be absolutely amazed if any top 10 club, or even a Premiership club, hired him. He was a terrible manager for West Brom and winning the CL in the manner he did will not impress anyone really.

    The defensiveness of Chelsea fans over RDM confuses me. Its not an attack on CFC to say your ex-manager was not responsible for your massive success last year.
    He got west brom promoted.and had a very good start to the season How was he terrible? He got MK dons to the playoffs in his first season there, How was he terrible?

    Please tell me how he was terrible for them? Well he won the trophy with defensive performances. How have united been playing in the CL since 08 when they face a stronger team? Heck they did the exact same thing to barca the year they won it in moscow.

    QPR. They were already looking at redknapp.
    Sunderland and southampton were possibly choices, maybe he thought he was too big for them or he didn't want to go into management atm. I'm not saying he is the best manager. Just that he should be given credit. Be his man management and letting the players do their thing or him winning trophies with our worst squad since ranieri's time.
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    (Original post by Musester)
    Show me where anybody said that. You're just another butthurt fan who's jealousy and disdain know's no bounds. Fricking sick of you.

    Sorry if that's really harsh but I'm done reading your "opinions".
    I am very jealous that CFC won the CL, every Arsenal fan is. what's that got to do with RDM being a **** manager? I'm just pointing out that he wasnt good enough to manager Chelsea and merely in the right place at the right time.

    How the **** is that an attack on Chelsea?

    Also the use of quotation marks on opinions is a hilariously ignorant use of the English language.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Southampton, QPR, Sunderland?

    I would be absolutely amazed if any top 10 club, or even a Premiership club, hired him. He was a terrible manager for West Brom and winning the CL in the manner he did will not impress anyone really. Just before he got the CFC job Birmingham City rejected his CV ffs.

    The defensiveness of Chelsea fans over RDM confuses me. Its not an attack on CFC to say your ex-manager was not responsible for your massive success last year.
    Too bad he was one of the best managers we have had for many a years - tell me any manager in the world that can go into a dressing room that has had its world turned upside down then get them to win all of their games beating one of the best teams in the world. He may not have been tactically adept, but his presence in the dressing room was something no manager had and very few managers have. He wasn't a manager; he was a leader of men that got everyone together and brought a positive vibe to the club.
    You could be the best tactical manager in the world BUT if you can't get your team to play for you then you're nothing.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    I am very jealous that CFC won the CL, every Arsenal fan is. what's that got to do with RDM being a **** manager? I'm just pointing out that he wasnt good enough to manager Chelsea and merely in the right place at the right time.

    How the **** is that an attack on Chelsea?
    Saying he was very lucky to get us the double. We outplayed Napoli, Benfica, Liverpool and thrashed Spurs under him. Yes we were lucky to beat Barca but it was hard graft, something Arsenal player's prove to have an allergy to year after year. Bayern didn't take their chances and we did.

    We were unbeaten until the end of October, I don't know how a crap manager could drop only 6 points between mid August and the start of November in all competitions.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    The defensiveness of Chelsea fans over RDM confuses me. Its not an attack on CFC to say your ex-manager was not responsible for your massive success last year.
    I don't know what you expect really, why wouldn't we defend a guy who played for us for six years, and then went on as manager to bring us the the CL...

    You can't win as a Chelsea fan, we're criticised for not liking or supporting our current manager Benitez and yet we're also criticised for defending and praising his predecessor RDM... :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by ra-ra-ra)
    How do you all feel about facing Benfica?

    A chance for Matic against his old club to show how good he has become too. I can't fault him this season. Benfica have had a cracking season with quite a few of their players looking superb. I would put him right at the top of that list as Benfica's player of the season. Going back 9 or so months you would never have found me saying a good word about him.
    Yeah, I'm feeling pretty nervy. I was hoping fernebache won in fact. I reckon we have quality but with the games coming up, top 4 still in the balance I'm not too sure if we can do it. Although don't they have you to play around the time of the final and you're still in contention for the league.

    Hopefully matic shines and we could buy him back
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    (Original post by jam277)
    He got west brom promoted.and had a very good start to the season How was he terrible? He got MK dons to the playoffs in his first season there, How was he terrible?

    Please tell me how he was terrible for them? Well he won the trophy with defensive performances. How have united been playing in the CL since 08 when they face a stronger team? Heck they did the exact same thing to barca the year they won it in moscow.
    How many managers have shown themselves to be out of their depth in the Premiership after promotion? Roy Keane looked like Fergie 2.0 playing against Doncaster until he Sunderland promoted.

    Yes but telling your team to play deep, and relying on world class defenders like Terry and Cole to defend for their lifes is not a tactical masterstroke. If he had Pascal Cygan and Wayne Bridge and they played the games of their life then you'd have a point. But do you really think John Terry was even listening when RDM was passing on his words of wisdom?
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    (Original post by cleveradam)
    Too bad he was one of the best managers we have had for many a years - tell me any manager in the world that can go into a dressing room that has had its world turned upside down then get them to win all of their games beating one of the best teams in the world. He may not have been tactically adept, but his presence in the dressing room was something no manager had and very few managers have. He wasn't a manager; he was a leader of men that got everyone together and brought a positive vibe to the club.
    You could be the best tactical manager in the world BUT if you can't get your team to play for you then you're nothing.
    Exactly, it was AVB's fault. AVB was a very tactical manager but he was too arrogant in changing his ways, the players got frustrated and the dressing room was a mess.
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    Once again, Zurich sticking his unwanted opinion. It's always after Chelsea win or something good, makes you think... :beard:
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    How many managers have shown themselves to be out of their depth in the Premiership after promotion? Roy Keane looked like Fergie 2.0 playing against Doncaster until he Sunderland promoted.

    Yes but telling your team to play deep, and relying on world class defenders like Terry and Cole to defend for their lifes is not a tactical masterstroke. If he had Pascal Cygan and Wayne Bridge and they played the games of their life then you'd have a point. But do you really think John Terry was even listening when RDM was passing on his words of wisdom?
    Probably, but was RDM given time? They weren't in imminent danger at the time he was sacked, so I don't think it's fair to use the west brom time. It's like saying adkins was out of his depth at southampton.

    I'm not saying that he was the best tactical manager, but I'm praising him for one thing, his man management and you can't fault that. Same way I praise wenger for his ability to make teams without money. Same way I praise mourinho for his tactical nous and fergie for getting the most out of his players. All managers have strengths that they are really good at.

    But you still haven't said why he's not good of a manager. Although I'm sick of hearing this. Say what you want and if I don't agree we'll agree to disagree because this argument will go on forever.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Probably, but was RDM given time? They weren't in imminent danger at the time he was sacked, so I don't think it's fair to use the west brom time. It's like saying adkins was out of his depth at southampton.

    I'm not saying that he was the best tactical manager, but I'm praising him for one thing, his man management and you can't fault that. Same way I praise wenger for his ability to make teams without money. Same way I praise mourinho for his tactical nous and fergie for getting the most out of his players. All managers have strengths that they are really good at.

    But you still haven't said why he's not good of a manager. Although I'm sick of hearing this. Say what you want and if I don't agree we'll agree to disagree because this argument will go on forever.
    Fair enough, he got the man management right after AVB's shambolic era, but that's still not enough for me.

    More relevant, Chelsea were excellent 2nd half and you have an excellent chance at winning it in Amsterdam. Luiz was different class.
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    Doesn't matter whether RDM was a good manager or not. He turned a disjointed, disheartened team around. He overturned a 3 goal deficit against Napoli. He beat Barca over two legs against all odds. He beat Bayern in their own backyard. He won us the Champions League.

    And for that, alongside the FA Cup and his playing career here, he will be remembered for many years to come.

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