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    (Original post by jamsie555)
    Then lets agree to disagree, whenever the vet is out on the farms I've been to he has always been asked to stun and pith any unwanted bull calves. The carcasses are then collected by the knackerman. Perhaps the farms you visited on EMS were block calvers rather than all year round?

    Obviously you need to have some knowledge of lamb anatomy when intervening in difficult births, but if you can manoeuvre the lamb into the correct position, you can apply as much force as necessary without causing any damage to the lamb. At the end of the day, I'm sure any farmer worth his salt would rather try to get the lamb out themselves instead of calling the vet out for a caesarean - it's just not financially viable.
    I am not denying your experiences, nor that vets are required to kill bull calves in some occasions, but rather in your comment you generalised it and implied that is the vast majority of the work of all farm vets. I am sure it varies between places that you go, and both of us probably have too little experience to make broad statements. I'd also advise you to keep an open mind before jumping to conclusions. I didn't want to put people off seeing farm practise as I really enjoyed it.

    It is worth remembering a farm animal has as much value as the farmer wants it to be - I've seen cases where it was not financially viable to call out a vet (relating to sheep & cattle) but the farmer still decided to do so. Pedigree sheep too can be a lot more financial valuable, especially of some breeds to merit a vet visit. I agree, however, that the vets involvement in the sheep industry has declined and only forms a small percent of a farm vets work where I am from, but probably forms more of the day to day work in counties that have a greater density of sheep farms.
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    You alright?
    Yeah I'm good :P I just have moments where I compulsively vent to the Internet regardless of how stupid I sound aha :P




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    Why will it be awkward?


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    I haven't spoken to a lot of the people for over 3 years :P


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    Yeah I'm good :P I just have moments where I compulsively vent to the Internet regardless of how stupid I sound aha :P
    Fair enough I often do the same
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    I'm loving my dairy placement at the moment, doing every Tuesday afternoon/evening so I can fit it in with school work etc. I always seem to enjoy my farm placements so much more and the people are so lovely as they're the people I do my lambing with so i know them quite well now!

    On the note of school work how is everyone finding sixth form? Personally I don't know if you've heard the train analogy of the step up to a-level from GCSE but the train in that has sure as hell hit me and the amount of work I have has come as a shock! As I speak in currently sat here surrounded in books haha!


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    I'm loving my dairy placement at the moment, doing every Tuesday afternoon/evening so I can fit it in with school work etc. I always seem to enjoy my farm placements so much more and the people are so lovely as they're the people I do my lambing with so i know them quite well now!

    On the note of school work how is everyone finding sixth form? Personally I don't know if you've heard the train analogy of the step up to a-level from GCSE but the train in that has sure as hell hit me and the amount of work I have has come as a shock! As I speak in currently sat here surrounded in books haha!
    Glad to hear that you're enjoying dairying. I had a lot of fun when I went as well . How many cows do they have there?

    Sixth form is going alright for me. In biology, maths and physics the 'jump up' hasn't been that noticeable so far, but chemistry is a bit of a struggle (and by 'struggle', I mean 'I'd rather be shot in the face than do another bloody titration equation')! I'm also surrounded by a fortress of books... as fun as interpolation is I reckon that maths will be the subject I drop next year :rolleyes:.
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    (Original post by hannapoole)
    I'm loving my dairy placement at the moment, doing every Tuesday afternoon/evening so I can fit it in with school work etc. I always seem to enjoy my farm placements so much more and the people are so lovely as they're the people I do my lambing with so i know them quite well now!

    On the note of school work how is everyone finding sixth form? Personally I don't know if you've heard the train analogy of the step up to a-level from GCSE but the train in that has sure as hell hit me and the amount of work I have has come as a shock! As I speak in currently sat here surrounded in books haha!


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    The dairy farm sound great, I love the LA placements too!
    Sixth form is good, and although they're harder, I'm finding A Levels way more interesting than GCSEs! We've had a LOT of homework in the first week- I'm trying to keep on to of all of it but it is difficult. I'm definitely finding Chem the hardest, mainly because I'm not very good at calculations


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    Glad to hear that you're enjoying dairying. I had a lot of fun when I went as well . How many cows do they have there?

    Sixth form is going alright for me. In biology, maths and physics the 'jump up' hasn't been that noticeable so far, but chemistry is a bit of a struggle (and by 'struggle', I mean 'I'd rather be shot in the face than do another bloody titration equation')! I'm also surrounded by a fortress of books... as fun as interpolation is I reckon that maths will be the subject I drop next year :rolleyes:.
    They have 210 cows if I remember correctly!

    (Original post by ABC05)
    The dairy farm sound great, I love the LA placements too!
    Sixth form is good, and although they're harder, I'm finding A Levels way more interesting than GCSEs! We've had a LOT of homework in the first week- I'm trying to keep on to of all of it but it is difficult. I'm definitely finding Chem the hardest, mainly because I'm not very good at calculations


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    I definitely agree with you both about chemistry, we've not done titrations yet but we've started on new electron structure things that I'm really not grasping! The calculations take some time but I'm sure they'll come to you eventually! Ordered some books today so hopefully they'll help me a lot!

    LTC I don't know how you're taking maths, I have enough with the maths just in biology and chemistry!



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    (Original post by hannapoole)
    They have 210 cows if I remember correctly!




    I definitely agree with you both about chemistry, we've not done titrations yet but we've started on new electron structure things that I'm really not grasping! The calculations take some time but I'm sure they'll come to you eventually! Ordered some books today so hopefully they'll help me a lot!

    LTC I don't know how you're taking maths, I have enough with the maths just in biology and chemistry!



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    Which books have you ordered? CGP saved my life at GCSE, not sure whether to get some A level ones or not...my chem textbook is so confusing and difficult to revise from.


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    They have 210 cows if I remember correctly!




    I definitely agree with you both about chemistry, we've not done titrations yet but we've started on new electron structure things that I'm really not grasping! The calculations take some time but I'm sure they'll come to you eventually! Ordered some books today so hopefully they'll help me a lot!

    LTC I don't know how you're taking maths, I have enough with the maths just in biology and chemistry!



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    Oooh thats a lot compared to the place I went to (60 or so cows). Is it a herringbone parlour or a fancy rotary one?

    I really liked the bit on electronic structure to be honest Today we were laught about Pauli's exclusion principle and Schröedinger's wave equation and the like, which despite being above the requirements of the spec (my chem teacher tends to go very OTT :rolleyes: ), was really interesting Anyway, if there's anything in particular that you need a bit of clarification on, I'll be more than happy to try to help if you drop me a PM .

    To be honest I don't know either :lol: . I wonder how long it will be before the panic sets in and I realise what stupid choices I made ...


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    Which books have you ordered? CGP saved my life at GCSE, not sure whether to get some A level ones or not...my chem textbook is so confusing and difficult to revise from.
    Which Chem course are you on?


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    Oooh thats a lot compared to the place I went to (60 or so cows). Is it a herringbone parlour or a fancy rotary one?

    I really liked the bit on electronic structure to be honest Today we were laught about Pauli's exclusion principle and Schröedinger's wave equation and the like, which despite being above the requirements of the spec (my chem teacher tends to go very OTT :rolleyes: ), was really interesting Anyway, if there's anything in particular that you need a bit of clarification on, I'll be more than happy to try to help if you drop me a PM .

    To be honest I don't know either :lol: . I wonder how long it will be before the panic sets in and I realise what stupid choices I made ...



    Which Chem course are you on?


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    Salters OCR...I think?! I'm even confused about the board that we're using haha.


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    Which books have you ordered? CGP saved my life at GCSE, not sure whether to get some A level ones or not...my chem textbook is so confusing and difficult to revise from.


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    I've got biology AS by Steve Potter think its aimed at aqa? And the Nelson thornes book for chemistry which is also aimed at aqa I think.

    (Original post by Little Tail Chaser)
    Oooh thats a lot compared to the place I went to (60 or so cows). Is it a herringbone parlour or a fancy rotary one?

    I really liked the bit on electronic structure to be honest Today we were laught about Pauli's exclusion principle and Schröedinger's wave equation and the like, which despite being above the requirements of the spec (my chem teacher tends to go very OTT :rolleyes: ), was really interesting Anyway, if there's anything in particular that you need a bit of clarification on, I'll be more than happy to try to help if you drop me a PM .

    To be honest I don't know either :lol: . I wonder how long it will be before the panic sets in and I realise what stupid choices I made ...



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    It's just a Herringbone parlour they have.

    I think I'll like it once I get my head around it, my teacher just doesn't go through things logically which doesn't help me at all haha. Thank you ill be sure to keep that in mind, don't want to bombard you with a million questions though

    Oh well I'm sure you'll do fine in maths!




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    Salters OCR...I think?! I'm even confused about the board that we're using haha.


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    I did Salters Chemistry! It was awful! The individual investigation you have to do in A2 year is an absolute joke!

    On the plus side, the same questions kept popping up in exams, just slightly reworded. The mark schemes were still the same so if you did enough past papers you would always be guaranteed a few easy marks from repeated questions!

    As for revision, if you buy the official Salters revision guide (there's one for AS and one for A2), you're sorted! All the info you need to get an A is in those revision guides! Don't waste your money on buying chemical ideas or chemical storylines!

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    I did Salters Chemistry! It was awful! The individual investigation you have to do in A2 year is an absolute joke!

    On the plus side, the same questions kept popping up in exams, just slightly reworded. The mark schemes were still the same so if you did enough past papers you would always be guaranteed a few easy marks from repeated questions!

    As for revision, if you buy the official Salters revision guide (there's one for AS and one for A2), you're sorted! All the info you need to get an A is in those revision guides! Don't waste your money on buying chemical ideas or chemical storylines!

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    Oh dear ok will look into getting that, yes we got given chemical ideas and storylines- they are horribly laid out! And I don't see what the actual point of storylines is?!

    Eta: is it this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0435631543

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    Oh dear ok will look into getting that, yes we got given chemical ideas and storylines- they are horribly laid out! And I don't see what the actual point of storylines is?!

    Eta: is it this? http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/0435631543

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    That's the one - it's dirt cheap at around £6 too. It's all you need! Although your teachers may argue differently .

    And yes, AS storylines is the biggest waste of £20 you could hope for, I didn't bother buying A2 storylines
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    (Original post by ABC05)
    Salters OCR...I think?! I'm even confused about the board that we're using haha.
    Cool, I assumed we were on the same board :yep: .

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    II think I'll like it once I get my head around it, my teacher just doesn't go through things logically which doesn't help me at all haha. Thank you ill be sure to keep that in mind, don't want to bombard you with a million questions though

    Oh well I'm sure you'll do fine in maths!
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    (Original post by jamsie555)
    I did Salters Chemistry! It was awful! The individual investigation you have to do in A2 year is an absolute joke!

    On the plus side, the same questions kept popping up in exams, just slightly reworded. The mark schemes were still the same so if you did enough past papers you would always be guaranteed a few easy marks from repeated questions!

    As for revision, if you buy the official Salters revision guide (there's one for AS and one for A2), you're sorted! All the info you need to get an A is in those revision guides! Don't waste your money on buying chemical ideas or chemical storylines!

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    Oooh err . In what way is the investigation a joke if you don't mind me asking? I've already bought Storylines (teachers told me it was a requirement :rolleyes: ) but I'll have a look at the book you mentioned
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    (Original post by Little Tail Chaser)
    Cool, I assumed we were on the same board :yep: .



    Well the offer's always there




    Oooh err . In what way is the investigation a joke if you don't mind me asking? I've already bought Storylines (teachers told me it was a requirement :rolleyes: ) but I'll have a look at the book you mentioned
    Well your college might teach it a little better than mine did... We were basically given no guidance other than we had to devise an experiment/investigation on absolutely anything we wanted from scratch. We then had 2 weeks of lessons to conduct our experiment, and then a further 2 weeks to write it up. I scraped an A in mine but I spent tens of hours on it - it was around 10,000 words in the end. None of us had any idea what we were supposed to be writing about, or how much to write - some of us went mental and wrote nearly 20,000 words, others barely wrote 2,000.

    I can PM you mine so you can see the sort of thing we had to write about if you like?
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