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    (Original post by Phantom Lord)
    Because they're not so low..
    My mistake, I misread the data. My dog's being a jerk. :ahee:

    Carry on, don't mind me. :auto:
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    (Original post by Dukeofwembley)
    No it is not, it is opinion till facts are provided
    It is why Indians do well in the UK compared to other groups. If you look at the major ethnic groups in the UK: Indian, Pak, Bangladeshi, Black African, Black Caribbean. Black Caribbean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people were mainly uneducated and they mainly came here to fill low skilled occupations as cheap labour, whereas the Indians who came here were mostly educated who came here to fill doctoring and nursing positions. That's why they do better than the other groups. With Africans, you have Nigerians who were mainly educated when they came here and so do well, and you have refugee groups like Somalis who don't do that well on average given their circumstances.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    My mistake, I misread the data. My dog's being a jerk. :ahee:

    Carry on, don't mind me. :auto:
    Didn't you realise that what you thought contradicts the title of the thread?
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    My mistake - I must have mistaken you for somebody else.

    Apologies. Have a +1 on the house.
    Cool I don't know really where I went to school the teachers were helping pupils of any race excell or flourish properly, it was everyone on fsm in general, that's why I'm upset, because it's obviously a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one, the kids who were not on fsm didn't have the money to get tutors.

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    (Original post by Phantom Lord)
    Didn't you realise that what you thought contradicts the title of the thread?
    As I said - I was distracted and as I was engaged in a similar thread, racialist thinking had clouded my judgment.
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    (Original post by Phantom Lord)
    It is why Indians do well in the UK compared to other groups. If you look at the major ethnic groups in the UK: Indian, Pak, Bangladeshi, Black African, Black Caribbean. Black Caribbean, Pakistani and Bangladeshi people were mainly uneducated and they mainly came here to fill low skilled occupations as cheap labour, whereas the Indians who came here were mostly educated who came here to fill doctoring and nursing positions. That's why they do better than the other groups. With Africans, you have Nigerians who were mainly educated when they came here and so do well, and you have refugee groups like Somalis who don't do that well on average given their circumstances.
    no , acutally alot of indians came from uganda and kenya, although admittedly a large proportion of them were business owners
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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    Cool I don't know really where I went to school the teachers were helping pupils of any race excell or flourish properly, it was everyone on fsm in general, that's why I'm upset, because it's obviously a socioeconomic issue, not a racial one, the kids who were not on fsm didn't have the money to get tutors.

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    Precisely. And I cannot see why everyone doesn't see that. I come from one of these ever-perennial "ethnic minorities", yet was brought up in much more motivating, ambitious and assured circumstances and I had educational success. So, it doesn't surprise me, regardless of the odd rare bright poor person here and there, that lower socioeconomic circumstances contribute to lower educational attainment.
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    (Original post by lolface32)
    In my school, it seems English people do the WORSE. Matter of fact, I don't know a single English person who has got an A in anything :eek:
    Yeah that was the same in my school. They did a break down of the grades and Indians performed the best then Black Africans. I really found that interesting. Although most in my school did get at least one A at GCSE.
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    (Original post by Dukeofwembley)
    no , acutally alot of indians came from uganda and kenya, although admittedly a large proportion of them were business owners
    Yeah I know, my parents are from Kenya. This group were very educated and successful in East Africa, so they've done very well in the UK, adding to the success of Indians in the UK.
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    (Original post by Phantom Lord)
    Yeah I know, my parents are from Kenya. This group were very educated and successful in East Africa, so they've done very well in the UK, adding to the success of Indians in the UK.
    u a gujju

    u eat kichri?
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    (Original post by Dukeofwembley)
    u a gujju

    u eat kichri?
    No, I'm ethnically Punjabi whose family is originally from the Pakistan side of the border. Gujjis weren't the only south Asian group in Kenya
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    I am considered a "poor white-student" from a working class background, from a town near London (good old Essex)! I'm certainly not underachieving personally, but it is probably a personality thing. People from all races and cultures tend to have a "default personality" - usually fairly similar to a stereotype (not saying it is true for everyone). But, all of the white people I know are just easily satisfied. If it isn't the bottom, it is good enough. Most other cultures tend to have something they want to excel at (whether it is academic or not), but my fellow peers, just do not. Average (or even a bit below it) is good enough for them. They mostly believe that "the only good parts of your life are when you are young", so go out all the time, and never study.

    But, a people have mentioned, this may not even be a race thing, but a schooling. It is fairly well known that in London schools tend to mostly comprise of pupils of one race, so perhaps the schools with the highest working class white population have the worst teaching?
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    Precisely. And I cannot see why everyone doesn't see that. I come from one of these ever-perennial "ethnic minorities", yet was brought up in much more motivating, ambitious and assured circumstances and I had educational success. So, it doesn't surprise me, regardless of the odd rare bright poor person here and there, that lower socioeconomic circumstances contribute to lower educational attainment.
    That's pretty much it really to be honest, socioeconomic circumstances have the biggest effect on your opportunities in life.

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    Its cultural, Kids who have parents developing nations see the value of free education and don't take it for granted. They are much stricter with behaviour and homework. They see British education as a privilege
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    (Original post by TheJoshwha)
    I am considered a "poor white-student" from a working class background, from a town near London (good old Essex)! I'm certainly not underachieving personally, but it is probably a personality thing. People from all races and cultures tend to have a "default personality" - usually fairly similar to a stereotype (not saying it is true for everyone). But, all of the white people I know are just easily satisfied. If it isn't the bottom, it is good enough. Most other cultures tend to have something they want to excel at (whether it is academic or not), but my fellow peers, just do not. Average (or even a bit below it) is good enough for them. They mostly believe that "the only good parts of your life are when you are young", so go out all the time, and never study.

    But, a people have mentioned, this may not even be a race thing, but a schooling. It is fairly well known that in London schools tend to mostly comprise of pupils of one race, so perhaps the schools with the highest working class white population have the worst teaching?
    No, they don't. That's a product of media influence and society influence. For example, the various stereotypes of black people in the Western World for instance are greatly negative and do not at all aid educational attainment - e.g. bad attitude, disrespect for authority, nonchalance, anti-intellectual; the flipside being: funny (ergo, can't be taken serious), wild, spontaneous etc. On the other hand, for the Sub-Saharan African, when in better conditions, emphasis is placed on hard work and education and respect for authority etc.

    Having said that, I do have to agree with you about some of the attitudes of some white pupils - they were all about "you only live once", "have fun all the time" and whilst I have socialized many a-time, it is still frowned upon that I'm a bit too serious - however, the situation is a tad bit different in different places around the world like the United States and Switzerland where I was schooled.
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    You're quite narrow minded



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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Its cultural, Kids who have parents developing nations see the value of free education and don't take it for granted. They are much stricter with behaviour and homework. They see British education as a privilege
    Precisely.

    The hard-working and industrious history of developed nations has actually led to this lax in attitudes and decline in emphasis on hard work and education.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Its cultural, Kids who have parents developing nations see the value of free education and don't take it for granted. They are much stricter with behaviour and homework. They see British education as a privilege
    I don't think it is, a white kid or a black kid at Eton will almost always do vastly better than a white or black kid on FSM in a state comp.

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    (Original post by RemiMarcelle)
    You're quite narrow minded



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    Who? :holmes:
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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    I don't think it is, a white kid or a black kid at Eton will almost always do vastly better than a white or black kid on FSM in a state comp.

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    Whilst that is true, his point still stands.

    Even many kids at the best schools are slacking more than their peers some decades ago would have slacked.
 
 
 
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