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Why do people associate the B.N.P with nazism? Hmm I dont get it watch

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    (Original post by aaarrrggh)
    That's true, but I think the real difference is because of the Nazi concentration camp itself. The systematic butchering of millions of innocent jews in a factory like process. That's why I think people tend to remember the jewish holocaust. Your point is still valid however, and I agree with you.
    Um hello the Kulak work camps....
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    And Nazi...what does that stand for...National SOCIALIST
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)

    Tut tut we're becoming censored. That's so bad

    It can go the other way. A scandinavian country (can't remember which) has a group that ACTIVELY defends and promotes peadophilia but can't be shut down because of censorship/freedom of speech laws.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    Agreed he should defo be banned. If your going to raise a point like that, you need to do it with a straight face so to speak. Its as if he has come up to you in real life with a Nazi Uniform on and asked you the question by calling himself that and having that avator.
    yeah look at that link i gave aaarrrgh
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    *tears to her eyes* you used the right name

    POMPEYYYY!
    I went to Havant College just down the road
    There is a fair bit of money floating about in this place though. There is a nice row called Oxford Street, and where I live is quite nice by the Marina. Full of townies though
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    Just so you know, I'm not a raving Nazi or BNP supporter. I just feel that people automatically jump to stereotypes when certain "groups" and "people" are mentioned. In this time of understanding, I feel that everybody should have a voice. Even the Nazi raving BNP supporters.

    It is only fair
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    Just so you know, I'm not a raving Nazi or BNP supporter. I just feel that people automatically jump to stereotypes when certain "groups" and "people" are mentioned. In this time of understanding, I feel that everybody should have a voice. Even the Nazi raving BNP supporters.

    It is only fair
    i am not gunna sit here and listen to BNP, Nazi or Neo Nazi opinions, sorry
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    Well from what I've read he isn't really being too damaging. He is merely promoting his cause and the last time I looked I'm pretty sure we lived in a free country.
    That's another thing I don't get, we are all allowed to like what we want, say what we want and choose whatever cause/religion we want.
    Muslims are allowed to have mosques, the Jewish synagogues, football fans the trellaces (i can't spell that word) and yet as soon as a BNP person says something everybody is like "ban them!".

    Tut tut we're becoming censored. That's so bad
    His cause is an ultra right wing one that is nothing more than blind pathological hatred. He has already reffered to minotiries as 'cancerous parasites'. It's one thing to say 'we live in a free country'. It's another altogether to stand idly by while some ****head tries to incite hatred to the point that people start fearing for their lives again. It would be like saying we should allow a Hitler figure to join these boards and say whatever he wants, because 'he just has different opinions to us'.

    Censorship is bad, but taking the voice away from people who's only motives are blind hatred can only ever be a good thing. Besides, they spread disinformation and lies in order to serve their 'arguments' anyway. Read some of the articles on that site if you don't believe me.

    I would like to ask any moderator who finally reads this thread to ban 'Combat 18', and if I were in charge, I would also go about reporting him to his isp. But then, I'm a hardliner
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    (Original post by PadFoot90)
    yeah look at that link i gave aaarrrgh

    Lol, dont worry I know what combat 18 is. THink Adolf Hitler. A = 1 and 8 = H in the Alphabet. They got publised after a football match between Ireland and England got abandoned because they orchestracted trouble in the stands, i.e. ripping the seats up and throwing them on the pitch etc.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    There is a fair bit of money floating about in this place though. There is a nice row called Oxford Street, and where I live is quite nice by the Marina. Full of townies though
    Yes but you do have Shakeaway

    My stance on Paedophiles is quite clear, if we can't jail them tatoo PAEDOPHILE across their head. They scar children for life so scar them too.
    And also it stops uneccesary Paulsgrove incedents involving yellow pages and a poor paeditrician.
    I know someone who went on that rampage and he was at COLLEGE :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    Lol, dont worry I know what combat 18 is. THink Adolf Hitler. A = 1 and 8 = H in the Alphabet. They got publised after a football match between Ireland and England got abandoned because they orchestracted trouble in the stands, i.e. ripping the seats up and throwing them on the pitch etc.
    o opps sorry lol
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    Just so you know, I'm not a raving Nazi or BNP supporter. I just feel that people automatically jump to stereotypes when certain "groups" and "people" are mentioned. In this time of understanding, I feel that everybody should have a voice. Even the Nazi raving BNP supporters.

    It is only fair
    I agree with you completly. I feel exactly the same when the BBC roles into Burnley making out the people there are racist, when they clearly arent. The 'mecurial, all fair' BBC are the worse offenders in giving Burnley a bad name, when they are supposed to be fair and innocative. Hmm.
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    (Original post by aaarrrggh)
    His cause is an ultra right wing one that is nothing more than blind pathological hatred. He has already reffered to minotiries as 'cancerous parasites'.
    Ok fair enough but you got to admit, asylum seekers and illegal immigrants are losers. My friend's little brother was run over and killed by a guy that was in England illegally, with a car under a false name, no license, no registration, no insurance. He drove off afterwards. They caught him and got 2 months and his asylum has been granted.
    And that guy can have a great life living off our benefits, free healthcare etc whereas my poor friend has to go through life minus a brother and minus the justice that his life was taken in vain.

    If that is what the other half is about then I'm not running up to join
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    Yes but you do have Shakeaway

    My stance on Paedophiles is quite clear, if we can't jail them tatoo PAEDOPHILE across their head. They scar children for life so scar them too.
    And also it stops uneccesary Paulsgrove incedents involving yellow pages and a poor paeditrician.
    I know someone who went on that rampage and he was at COLLEGE :rolleyes:
    Lol shakeaway. I've taken my girlfriend there a couple of times after nagging. 'MArs flavour' and 'peanut butter' flavour lol.

    Yes, I heard about that. It was a disgrace. People are just plain stupid.
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    (Original post by Joey_Johns)
    Lol shakeaway. I've taken my girlfriend there a couple of times after nagging. 'MArs flavour' and 'peanut butter' flavour lol.

    Yes, I heard about that. It was a disgrace. People are just plain stupid.
    I have to say though, it was rather funny I mean who would in their right mind look up paedophile in the phone book *pisses herself laughing*

    That's portsmouth for you (no offence rednirt!)
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    Just so you know, I'm not a raving Nazi or BNP supporter. I just feel that people automatically jump to stereotypes when certain "groups" and "people" are mentioned. In this time of understanding, I feel that everybody should have a voice. Even the Nazi raving BNP supporters.

    It is only fair
    Some stereotypes can serve a positive purpose. This is one such example.

    This is a completely weak argument. Do you know what a Nazi argument is? Unfortunately Danithe, people like me and you may be able to dissect a Nazi argument for ourselves, but many others are simply not capable. The Nazis, and the BNP especially, now use carefully constructed language and twists of logic all over the place to put forward their argument.

    They will appeal to people by raising other issues that are bound to be popular for example. They want to take a hardline with paedophiles. Vote winner. They want to have increased discipline in schools. Vote winner. They want to improve public transport. Vote winner. They claim to be the only party with truly british interests at heart. Vote winner.

    Unfortunately, they are also a radical right wing party with members that deny the holocaust, argue Martin Luther King was a villain, hate jews, and want religious minorities kicked out of our country for ever.

    They do not deserve a voice. The stereotypes are deserved and useful, and they should be banned from having a voice in places like this. End of argument.
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    Oh totally, that's the reason we have stereotypes they usually are right.
    Takes ten seconds and in that ten seconds we sort through a matrix of past experience and upbringing etc etc etc etc I know

    But I'm just saying although he may be spouting off some really stupid stuff ie. Racist, Semitic etc etc, he has got some point.
    That's what I find so hard to understand you have to be able to see it from HIS point of view. I can totally understand why people make every desicion and assumption they make..(ok a bit exaggerated but it's 2am and I am allowed).

    You have your view and he has his. The only thing he is doing is sounding his views. Everybody is entitled to their opinions! By denying his opinion you can only lower yourself to their level.

    He may be racist, he may have three eyes and a green fluffy tail. But he's human (ok maybe not with a green fluffy tail) we live in a democratic society. Democracy=Majority rule. In our country 8% are ethnic minorties. So the other 92% aren't. So we are being told that ethnic minorities should get this that and the other....I think he's just angry at how we've lost communities, we have more crime and maybe it's something to do with the increase in these so-called ethnic minorities.

    Blah, I can't get into it. Either way everybody complains. All I'm saying is, you may not like what he says and you're trying to get him banned, well I'm pretty sure he doesn't like what you're saying.

    So what if you offend someone...tell the truth! Nobody else seems to nowadays
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    (Original post by Danithestudent)
    You have your view and he has his. The only thing he is doing is sounding his views. Everybody is entitled to their opinions! By denying his opinion you can only lower yourself to their level.
    My views don't include looking upon black people, jews and immigrants as 'cancerous parasites'. I don't want to be associated with a known neo-nazi group that has murdered and tortured innocent people because of their colour. It's not simply a case of 'you are just on the different side of an argument', it's that his opinions are actually dangerous, and if left unchecked and allowed to grow, can lead at best to anxiety and tension between different groups, and at worst to full blown murder.

    Combat 18 have murdered people in the past. This is not hyperbole.

    He should be banned.
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    You can't reason with the unreasonable.
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    (Original post by aaarrrggh)
    My views don't include looking upon black people, jews and immigrants as 'cancerous parasites'. I don't want to be associated with a known neo-nazi group that has murdered and tortured innocent people because of their colour. It's not simply a case of 'you are just on the different side of an argument', it's that his opinions are actually dangerous, and if left unchecked and allowed to grow, can lead at best to anxiety and tension between different groups, and at worst to full blown murder.

    Combat 18 have murdered people in the past. This is not hyperbole.

    He should be banned.

    Erm hello can I say 9/11, 3/11....the Iraq war....

    People have killed people. It's a damned dog eat dog world.
    I am not condoning him in anyway. But surely he is just a victim of the crap education system in this country. We don't even learn our own history, we aren't allowed to be patriotic, we can't advertise church fetes in libraries, or have nativity themes cards in offices.

    People don't like political correctness and I'm afraid that at the rate it's going there are going to be a lot more "Combat 18"'s around.

    On here we are lucky, we are educated we know how to tell the difference between spin and fact. Unfortunatley...despite Tony Blair wanting 50% of school leavers to go to University, the country is full of thickos, who read the sun, support England rugby team when they win etc etc. They don't like it when what we pay out is given to people who just come in off some boat they've stowed away. The lovey government aren't doing anything to make them think any different, except going to Iraq. That's pissed people off. They got a voice but strangely....we didn't hear from a lot of pro-war people. Hmm I wonder why?

    The media and the government are manipulating people in two different directions and the "common folk" are becoming confused, they don't care about politics they just want a fortnights holiday in Teneriefe and a new car every once in a while. They resent people such as illegal immigrants taking away our taxes the same as they hate unemployed people, teen mothers etc.

    Any opinion if taken to an extreme is dangerous. It's just at the moment it's in the minority. Unfortunatley if we continue the way we are going at the moment, it's going to be anymore
 
 
 

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