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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Did solar activity not peak in the early 1980's?

    Fair enough.
    Quite possibly, I was writing without checking sources for that. Surely though, if solar activity is the main driving factor behind temperature, and solar activity has decreased since 1980, global temperatures should also be falling?

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    However, this is not the case, unless a 20+ year lag is present. Therefore, has the theory that solar activity is still the main driving force behind temperature not been shown to be false?
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Ten years ago environmentalists were predicting that by 2012 due to global warming snow would be a thing of the past, for how much longer will we have to waste vast sums of taxpayers' cash on white elephants before we admit that all their predictions, computer models and theories are wrong?
    Do you understand how science works?
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    John O' Farrell wishes Thatcher had died - RIGHT WING ARE OUTRAGED!
    Wanting to shoot Tony Blair and Ed Milliband - not a problem!




    do you have your tin-foil hat on?
    Thatcher wasn't a mass murderer.
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    (Original post by Harry Callahan)
    Thatcher wasn't a mass murderer.
    As far is we know....
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    We are responsible for the most of Climate Change. This is not an opinion. It isn't disputable. It's a proven fact that has a scientific consensus. I am sick and tired of people using cherry-picked data and quotations from lobbyists who dare to call themselves scientists to support the lies that various energy corporations propagate. I have had enough of ordinary people with no scientific background who have declared themselves experts after a few google searches, deciding that climate change is natural, armed with a few convenient graphs. Doubting the integrity of 95+% of climate scientists is an extraordinarily arrogant and stupid thing to do.

    Climate change isn't a game that we can debate for eternity. It's already having consequences and we are about to throw ourselves off a point of no return (if we haven't done so already).
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    (Original post by Harry Callahan)
    Thatcher wasn't a mass murderer.
    Maybe not, but she caused abject misery for millions of people.

    I'm not even against Thatcher but the hypocrisy of many on the right is sickening.
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    Both. Ice ages and droughts happen and have happened since the beginning of time.
    But it's not really debatable that so called 'greenhouse' gas levels have risen significantly. The debate is over how much those rising levels are actually affecting climate...

    No one really knows though.
    For all we know a new ice age could be about to happen and our greenhouse gasses are negating it...
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    We are responsible for the most of Climate Change. This is not an opinion. It isn't disputable. It's a proven fact that has a scientific consensus. I am sick and tired of people using cherry-picked data and quotations from lobbyists who dare to call themselves scientists to support the lies that various energy corporations propagate. I have had enough of ordinary people with no scientific background who have declared themselves experts after a few google searches, deciding that climate change is natural, armed with a few convenient graphs. Doubting the integrity of 95+% of climate scientists is an extraordinarily arrogant and stupid thing to do.

    Climate change isn't a game that we can debate for eternity. It's already having consequences and we are about to throw ourselves off a point of no return (if we haven't done so already).
    *Anthropogenic climate change
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    Do you understand how science works?
    Yes thanks. Do scientists understand how the economy works? Because we don't have an unlimited amount of money to throw at the claimit change bogey man.
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    No option for people who believe climate change is a myth? e.g. UKIP
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Yes thanks. Do scientists understand how the economy works? Because we don't have an unlimited amount of money to throw at the claimit change bogey man.
    You clearly don't understand how science works, sorry. Just because they are wrong once, doesn't mean that the whole theory is wrong. In fact, it's through mistakes that the theory becomes even more refined. Right now, we have more evidence for man-caused climate change than ever. You'd have to be a fool to completely write it off due to some flaws.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    Maybe not, but she caused abject misery for millions of people.

    I'm not even against Thatcher but the hypocrisy of many on the right is sickening.
    What about Wilson? He closed more mines than she did and effectively sealed their fate before she got into power.
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    (Original post by Harry Callahan)
    What about Wilson? He closed more mines than she did and effectively sealed their fate before she got into power.
    Not really relevant, I didn't say anything about supporting Wilson.
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    (Original post by Tabzqt)
    Not really relevant, I didn't say anything about supporting Wilson.
    Didn't think it would be. It never is, is it?
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    (Original post by chefdave)
    Yes thanks. Do scientists understand how the economy works? Because we don't have an unlimited amount of money to throw at the claimit change bogey man.
    Out of all people, economists should understand the importance of preventing climate change. First of all, to imply that climate change doesn't exist is wrong. By saying this, you are disregarding the work of 95% of the specialists working on the subject which is both arrogant and dangerous. Your claim about predictions about 2012 are complete fabrications; climate models are and have been incredibly accurate. The correlation between what is actually happening and what models have predicted are extremely close. There only appears to be a discrepancy if you cherry pick or use misleading results out of context. Secondly, climate change will not only have grave environmental consequences, it will have grave economic consequences. If you refuse to act against climate change because it's not profitable in the short term, you will suffer immensely in the long term. Reputable economic think tanks have already predicted that climate change is costing us $120 billion per year, which is only set to rise in the future.
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    (Original post by Harry Callahan)
    Didn't think it would be. It never is, is it?
    rofl. Do you ever think before you type your posts?
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    (Original post by haroon77)
    HAARP -high altitude auroral research project based in Alaska, used for causing tsunamis, earthquakes etc. across the globe aswell as the chemtrails project
    I hate to break it to you, but The Lord of the Rings wasn't a documentary.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    Out of all people, economists should understand the importance of preventing climate change. First of all, to imply that climate change doesn't exist is wrong. By saying this, you are disregarding the work of 95% of the specialists working on the subject which is both arrogant and dangerous. Your claim about predictions about 2012 are complete fabrications; climate models are and have been incredibly accurate. The correlation between what is actually happening and what models have predicted are extremely close. There only appears to be a discrepancy if you cherry pick or use misleading results out of context. Secondly, climate change will not only have grave environmental consequences, it will have grave economic consequences. If you refuse to act against climate change because it's not profitable in the short term, you will suffer immensely in the long term. Reputable economic think tanks have already predicted that climate change is costing us $120 billion per year, which is only set to rise in the future.
    It's easy to say that economic growth should not be priortized when living in a first world country; not so easy is convincing the other six billion inhabitants of Earth to slow down. It's a matter of trade-offs; if cutting emissions damages economic growth that would almost certainly be worse than the damage likely to be done by climate change - both in economic and in human terms.

    If climate change is costing $120 billion/year it isn't costing as much as an economic slowdown; $120 billion/year is 0.2% of Earth's GDP. Even if our attempts to halt climate change cause a small decrease in economic growth that will be a waste. That's not to say we can't do anything; we could certainly replace coal, oil and gas power plants with nuclear power for example; it's just to say that we shouldn't treat climate change as the most important factor when it comes to economic policy.
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    (Original post by pjm600)
    Quite possibly, I was writing without checking sources for that. Surely though, if solar activity is the main driving factor behind temperature, and solar activity has decreased since 1980, global temperatures should also be falling?

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    However, this is not the case, unless a 20+ year lag is present. Therefore, has the theory that solar activity is still the main driving force behind temperature not been shown to be false?

    I agree which is why i went for both rather than natural instead at best we've seen a plateu with tiny nudges upward but with La Nina dominant, a -PDO decadal pattern and solar activity falling through the floor if we don't get serious cooling then we have a problem.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    We are responsible for the most of Climate Change. This is not an opinion. It isn't disputable. It's a proven fact that has a scientific consensus. I am sick and tired of people using cherry-picked data and quotations from lobbyists who dare to call themselves scientists to support the lies that various energy corporations propagate. I have had enough of ordinary people with no scientific background who have declared themselves experts after a few google searches, deciding that climate change is natural, armed with a few convenient graphs. Doubting the integrity of 95+% of climate scientists is an extraordinarily arrogant and stupid thing to do.

    Climate change isn't a game that we can debate for eternity. It's already having consequences and we are about to throw ourselves off a point of no return (if we haven't done so already).


    Ive learnt to doubt 95% of the intelligence community since Iraq.

    plus 5% saying no does give some doubt.

    and I always have difficulty believing people when their funding depends on it.
 
 
 
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