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    (Original post by Greenlaner)
    If you don't watch broadcasted/live television, you are under no obligation to get a TV licence.
    What a ridiculous thing to say. What if I want to watch Sky channels but none of the BBC services? Why should I be coerced into paying for a state service I don't want?
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    What a ridiculous thing to say. What if I want to watch Sky channels but none of the BBC services? Why should I be coerced into paying for a state service I don't want?
    I agree with you. It's a ****ty, corrupt system that is in need of a major overhaul. But as it stands it's not as bad as it could be, we at least actually have the choice to opt out. There are countries that force everybody to pay for public funded TV, even if you don't watch any TV at all.

    If you don't like the BBC and the TV licencing system, then stop paying for it and invest your money in an on-demand service like Netflix. You still get to see all the TV shows you want to watch, but you won't be propping up the BBC. Win, win.
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    (Original post by tjf8)
    More to the point though, should the other newspapers not be permitted on principle to keep the BBC as an institution in check? I know this story itself is rather picky, but who's going to criticise the BBC if the newspapers aren't allowed to do it? The BBC? It's true, if the BBC were removed, they would have an unopposed control of the market, and that's why the balance is so important; the ability of each to criticise the other is important for maintaining that balance.
    I agree with you on that point. I remember a while back when when Stephanie Flanders was accused of anti-Tory bias, and the BBC simply brushed it off with something along the lines of 'We're very happy with her impartiality'. Well they would say that, wouldn't they?
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    (Original post by Greenlaner)
    It is not compulsory.
    If it's voluntary then so is income tax - you can choose to be unemployed if you want!



    (Original post by tjf8)
    It's true, if the BBC were removed, they would have an unopposed control of the market
    Closing down the BBC wouldn't give right wing papers "unopposed control of the market", since plainly there are many left wing papers: The Guardian, The Independent, The Mirror, The Socialist Worker (if you live in London anyway!), etc..

    Britain has a plurality in newspapers, but an overwhelming dominance of one organisation in broadcasting. It's also interesting to see that the newspapers the BBC most closely identifies with - Guardian, Independent, Mirror (notice how no one on R4/HIGNFY mocks the Mirror as against the Times or the Telegraph, when it's just as much a trashy tabloid as the Mail?) - are the ones with the lowest circulations. Just whom is the BBC representing? It seems to me that they represent, more than anything, the views and prejudices of their own employees.
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    (Original post by Barksy)
    What a ridiculous thing to say. What if I want to watch Sky channels but none of the BBC services? Why should I be coerced into paying for a state service I don't want?
    Just because you're paying a tax doesn't give you the right to decide what it is spent on. Get over yourself.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    I may have made my point poorly - what I mean is that the TVL system artificially over-funds the BBC relative to competitors, so you can look at the market and honestly conclude that the BBC is the best choice. That doesn't mean it would be the best choice if everyone had equal chance to compete for that TVL money.

    I don't think the BBC has in recent years produced anything that can compete with The Wire as social commentary, or with Game of Thrones for shear entertainment value. Of course this is a matter of opinion and reasonable people can differ... unless they live in Britain where they have to pay for the BBC first by law.


    Polls do not have a tendency to be very inaccurate. Did you see Nate Silver correctly predicting every state in the US election using polling data, for instance? Of course they are sometimes inaccurate but I don't see any particular reason to think this one is. You might have noticed the BBC also went through a huge scandal recently - and used its dominant position in news provision to try to spin its way out.
    TBH, I agree with in, in terms of entertainment programming, the BBC and generally the British media is inferior to the US which is why 90% of the show I watch is American - thank god for the internet. What I do use BBC for is for factual programming and there's just no doubting it that the BBC does make the best documentaries.

    You really need to appreciate that a lot of money is generated from adverstising which BBC don't have access to, this can't be ignored so, I wouldn't say the TVL artifically overfunds the BBC, it does possibly puts them in the strongest position. I would like the license fee to be shared with the other 3 main channel, maybe given them like 10- 15% each but the counter the quassi-monopoly BBC has (this might have happend already) buy, would probably go towards pathetic shows like big brother or I'm a celebrity. So, maybe the satus quo is best :dontknow:

    Nate Silver is your anomaly. Didn't he use demographic data rather than datas from polling?
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Just because you're paying a tax doesn't give you the right to decide what it is spent on. Get over yourself.
    Wars have been fought over this issue so I'm not sure how helpful telling him to "get over it" is!
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    (Original post by Dez)
    Just because you're paying a tax doesn't give you the right to decide what it is spent on. Get over yourself.
    The point is I shouldn't have to pay the tax in the first place if I'm not using their services. What you said is irrelevant.
 
 
 
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