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Carr Saunders Halls, LSE
London School of Economics
London
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A Dispute about LSE's teaching quality

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Reply 20
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e11even
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Erik Ringmar's accusation of LSE being "totally hypocritical" because they instructed him to shut down his blog and hence interfere with this so-called "freedom of speech" of his is false and irrelevant. He fails to, firstly, realise the gravity of his accusation; and secondly, understand that this freedom of speech that he is talking about, but which he knows very little about or refuses to acknowledge, carries with it certain duties and responsibilities.

LSE is not being hypocritical in any way, as is evident in their Code of Practice on Free Speech. And I quote:

"1.3 The Code takes cognizance of the fact that the United Kingdom is a party to the United Nations Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the European Convention on Human Rights and the School attaches great importance to the values described in these documents. The basic right to freedom of expression and the permitted exceptions thereto are specified in Article 19 of the UN Covenant and Article 10 of the European Convention:


1.3.1 UN Covenant on Civil and Political Rights, Article 19:

(1)Everyone shall have the right to hold opinions without interference.

(2)Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression; this right shall include freedom to seek, receive and impart information and ideas of all kinds, regardless of frontiers, either orally, in writing or in print, in the form of art, or through any other media of his or her choice.

(3)The exercise of the rights provided for in paragraph 2 of this Article carries with it special duties and responsibilities. It may therefore be subject to certain restrictions, but these shall only be such as are provided by law and are necessary:
(a) For respect of the rights or reputations of others:
(b) For the protection of national security or of public order or of public health or morals.


1.3.2 European Convention on Human Rights, Article 10:

(1)Everyone has the right to freedom of expression. This right shall include freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without interference by public authority and regardless of frontiers. This Article shall not prevent States from requiring the licensing of broadcasting, television or cinema enterprises.

(2)The exercise of these freedoms, since it carries with it duties and responsibilities, may be subject to such formalities, conditions, restrictions or penalties as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society, in the interests of national security, territorial integrity or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, for the protection of the reputation or rights of others, for preventing the disclosure of information received in confidence, or for maintaining the authority and impartiality of the judiciary."


I believe it is right to say that LSE should be the one saying, "We feel very intimidated - Erik Ringmar is trying to bully us," as opposed to Erik Ringmar purporting that LSE is trying to bully him.
Carr Saunders Halls, LSE
London School of Economics
London
Ahahahahahaha...pharmakos, you crack me up. So you're not at LSE, well...

Cry me a river,



Build me a bridge,
And GET OVER IT, SISTA!!!

:biggrin:
Reply 22
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S1712
Erik Ringmar has earned a double PhD (at two of the most prestigious institutes) and can very well read and understand young lady...much better than most of us. To my knowledge the only crime in his speech is getting too personal on his views, but, LSE definitely grossly over-reacted. (there was one post where he slightly over-stepped on the issue of disclosing confidentiality but quickly realised and deleted it)

Yale and Brown are 2 ivy-leagues that place very high value on UG teaching during staff recruitment. Even a superstar in the field should be prepared to teach a high number of UG courses every year except during summer/sabbatical. Such importance to my knowledge isnt placed anywhere in the States.
Reply 23
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drs1357
lol at the end of the day, its not the knowledge you learn thatll get you a job (assuming its not like academics or what have you even then this applies) its the rep of the uni combined with degree
Reply 24
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e11even
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S1712
Erik Ringmar has earned a double PhD (at two of the most prestigious institutes) and can very well read and understand young lady...much better than most of us. To my knowledge the only crime in his speech is getting too personal on his views, but, LSE definitely grossly over-reacted. (there was one post where he slightly over-stepped on the issue of disclosing confidentiality but quickly realised and deleted it)

I never denied the fact that he can read. I did say, "refuses to acknowledge..." Erik needed to find a way to defend himself so he harped (way too much, IMO) on the whole freedom of speech thing, which, to an uninformed reader, may look as if he's completely right in saying that LSE is being a "total hypocrite". To clear things, I'm merely pointing out the fact that his accusation isn't true.
Reply 25
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shanika
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The place where the comments were made was not appropriate. If he felt that he wasn't being honest to himself by saying that LSE is great, maybe he should have aired his views privately and discussed it.
Reply 26
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shanika
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His CV states that he has one PhD from Yale and another from Uppsala University in Sweden
http://ringmar.net/?page_id=8
Reply 27
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Bengt
If by the time you start university you don't retain the self-discipline to learn independently, you pretty much shouldn't be going to university. As far as I'm concerned, the singlemost important thing about growing up is taking charge and holding yourself accountable. As such undergraduate teaching shouldn't be viewed as a prerequisite for learning, but rather as a complement to the work you do on your own.

Now, in terms of what the liberal hack from Sweden views as an infringement on his civil liberties, he should respect the fact that he simply cannot disseminate slanderous and disengenuous accusations without reprimand. Why he has opted to react in such a childish manner I can't put my finger on. Probably the activism that's seemingly innate in all of these self-righteous leftists (sorry, I should really address them by the title they've appropriated for themselves: intellectuals).
Reply 28
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drs1357
you coming to lse Bengt? I personally think the teaching quality doesnt really matter, all that matters is your ability to use books/rep of place (for jobs) & the fact that there are people u can ask for help..
Reply 29
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Knogle
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drs1357
you coming to lse Bengt? I personally think the teaching quality doesnt really matter, all that matters is your ability to use books/rep of place (for jobs) & the fact that there are people u can ask for help..

Judging from his posting, I think he's already studying at the LSE.

(argh, do we say "the LSE" or just "LSE"? tutors have used both interchangeably!)
Reply 30
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Bengt
As we speak I'm presently wrapping up the finals for this academic year. So yes, you can pretty much assume I'm a student at the LSE.
Reply 31
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Knogle
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Bengt
As we speak I'm presently wrapping up the finals for this academic year. So yes, you can pretty much assume I'm a student at the LSE.

For curiosity's sake, what degree programme are you enrolled in, and are you a fresher/sophomore (i.e. second year student)/finalist?
pharmakos, fair enough to bring up an article, but you're bright enough to know it is at least a little dishonest.

Learning at uni has as much to do with your peers and independent study (if not more so) than it does with lectures/tutes (which almost universally, still follow the system of professors at lectures and PhDs at tutes).

That said, LSE academics aren't 'all that open to their undergrads' but I'm not sure how many are really that interested in getting to them.

Since you are at UCL, I'd say most UCL students don't take advantage of access to academics - many of whom are to be utterly engrossed with their work as it is... I was however taken aback a bit when a professor replied to an email of mine at 11.45pm over a speculative question regarding his research and similar research done elseswhere.
Reply 33
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Bengt
For curiosity's sake, what degree programme are you enrolled in, and are you a fresher/sophomore (i.e. second year student)/finalist?


I'm a first year undergraduate doing straight-up economics.
Reply 34
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drs1357
how did you find ma100
Reply 35
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Knogle
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Bengt
I'm a first year undergraduate doing straight-up economics.

Cheers, thanks. :cool:
Reply 36
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Bengt
how did you find ma100


Not to sound arrogant or anything, but I found MA100 fairly manageable. The same goes for AC100 and EC102B. With ST102 as the only remaining exam, I feel pretty satisfied with the way the exams have panned out.
Reply 37
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Knogle
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Bengt
Not to sound arrogant or anything, but I found MA100 fairly manageable. The same goes for AC100 and EC102B. With ST102 as the only remaining exam, I feel pretty satisfied with the way the exams have panned out.

Good on you mate, glad you're coping well with he curricula.
Reply 38
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drs1357
congrats :smile: hope it comes out with 1sts :smile:
Reply 39
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Bengt
How about yourself; how did you do? Judging by your question, I assume you're also a first-year undergraduate. Or?

Good on you mate, glad you're coping well with he curricula.


The curricula for first-year undergraduates is really not too tough. From what I've heard, the real learning starts next year.

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