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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    What can I say. If you don´t believe in god then he will not help you.
    Don´t get me wrong, Allah is Merciful and Forgiving but you need to ask for forgiveness, and pray that he turns you normal. Allah helps you if you want help.
    I understand that since you´re a non-believer what I´m saying might be to much to swallow at the same time, but I pray that over time you will overcame the devil inside you and see the light.

    Also animals are animals whereas we are human beings. Surely you do not think that we are the same. We are much more intelligent and are able to think rationally, something which animals can not.

    You have to be ignorant to think that this girl does not need to seek help. If not by god, then at least see I psychiatrist.
    Clearly she is suffering from some sort of mental illness.



    But I am a straight and normal heterosexual guy and I don´t want a homosexual dude to potentially start liking me. That is disgusting.
    Kissing each other on the cheek is not sexual in any way but a friendly greeting, but it would be very uncomfortable if someone who´s gay does it with me. Who knows what the devil says to him about it.



    You make it seem as if only homosexuals are attacked by the devil, but everyone is during his/her lifetime for various different reasons (from mild to severe).
    There is nothing wrong with being attacked by the devil. The important thing is that you don´t do what he says and make him leave, because he only wants bad things for you.



    I am a muslim and I agree with you that the bible was interpreted differently and has been altered throughout time. That´s why Mohammed (PBUH) came after Jesus (PBUH) to correct the mistakes and misconceptions.
    The Quran has been unedited for the past 1400 years and every single word written is the word of Allah and no one else. It is the divine message.

    May Allah guide you along the right path.
    Dude don't try to be condescending because i think what you have said is nonsense - im in the 97th percentile in my year group - yes! The top 3% in my year group of 300 people. Who are you to determine normal? You're attitude isnt normal for te 21st century. I will never see the light as I dont need to.

    Animals do display intelligence however, and dolphins who are frequently gay are extremely intelligent. You also can hardly state the redundant rationality argument seeing as you are as rational as kicking a bearin the balls.

    She is transgender and doesn't need to see a specialist - apart maybe for the grief people like you give her.



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    (Original post by Miracle Day)
    It's their property, if they don't want to let gay couples into their home then they shouldn't be forced to.
    Even though if it's their property, their behaviour is based on discrimination of a sexual orientation.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Why would I choose to live a life that's more difficult than it needs to be? I didn't choose to be who I am. It's incredibly insulting to say that I do.
    Exactly, as I said earlier the devil only wants bad things for you, and you just said that leading a homosexual life is harder than a normal life.
    The devil and YOU chose to be homosexual, but by fighting of the devil you will hopefully turn straight one day.

    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    You present a religious argument like it's fact - well no, none of your opinions can be proven with evidence so I'm going to disregard them for the purposes of this discussion.
    They may not be facts to you but to me they are more than that, and since you´re arguing with me this is how my answers will be.

    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    The scenario that you refer to there is nothing to do with homosexuality - he's transgendered. This isn't "messed up" at all and is not the "work of the devil"! Just because your religious scripture or your ignorance doesn't explain it doesn't mean it's wrong or evil. He certainly doesn't need any guidance from religion, that's for sure.
    First of all, it´s a she and not a he. At least read my comment correctly :rolleyes:. I said it was a girl who FELT like a guy and not vice versa.

    It also has to do with homosexuality because the girl is together with another girl (hence she´s homosexual) who also FEELS like a guy.

    Clearly this is the devils work.

    (Original post by Mad Vlad)

    Again, you're just spouting ignorance. If a male friend came out as gay to you, it doesn't mean that he wants to do anything with you at all! Get over yourself! You're probably not all that. You can man-hug him, greet him and celebrate scoring a goal in exactly the same way as you did before you found out he was gay. Stop being such a bigot. Nothing's changed. He's not suddenly going to get a boner and want to get in the sack with you because he's told you he's gay.
    I am "not all that" but a simple arab dude. I never said anything about my looks/personality. It will never be the same if he said he´s gay, and if he wants to continue to follow the devil then I don´t see why my hypothetical previous friend would hang out with someone who looks down upon him and despise what he does.

    You should be happy that you live in a country where LBGT people are moderately accepted. In arab countries you´d be executed for this.
    Of course I personally am against this because I believe that Allah is forgiving and that death is never the solution.
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    First of all, it´s a she and not a he. At least read my comment correctly :rolleyes:. I said it was a girl who FELT like a guy and not vice versa.

    It also has to do with homosexuality because the girl is together with another girl (hence she´s homosexual) who also FEELS like a guy.

    Clearly this is the devils work.
    If you are referring to a person who was born female but identifies as being gendered a man, then that person is a he. And I don't care what you think the devil is up to, if you keep saying otherwise then you will be reported for offensiveness because that's just what that is.
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    (Original post by Bluffroom)
    Dude don't try to be condescending because i think what you have said is nonsense - im in the 97th percentile in my year group - yes! The top 3% in my year group of 300 people. Who are you to determine normal? You're attitude isnt normal for te 21st century. I will never see the light as I dont need to.

    Animals do display intelligence however, and dolphins who are frequently gay are extremely intelligent. You also can hardly state the redundant rationality argument seeing as you are as rational as kicking a bearin the balls.
    I never said that you are not intelligent. Some great intellectuals probably were homosexuals, but the devil attacks anyone no matter the level of intelligence.

    With normal, I meant normal sexual orientation only.

    (Original post by Bluffroom)
    She is transgender and doesn't need to see a specialist - apart maybe for the grief people like you give her.
    Yeah and I am Crocodile :rolleyes:.

    I never bullied her, because I was afraid of her at the time, and never did I even talk to her.
    Maybe I should have helped her, and told her that there is a way out from this hell she was in.
    Maybe Allah will help her turn normal again one day
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    If you are referring to a person who was born female but identifies as being gendered a man, then that person is a he. And I don't care what you think the devil is up to, if you keep saying otherwise then you will be reported for offensiveness because that's just what that is.
    You just keep denying the obvious and we´ll see where that takes you :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    I never said that you are not intelligent. Some great intellectuals probably were homosexuals, but the devil attacks anyone no matter the level of intelligence.

    With normal, I meant normal sexual orientation only.
    Normal sexual orientation: straight, gay, bi, pan, a.

    Yeah and I am Crocodile :rolleyes:.

    I never bullied her, because I was afraid of her at the time, and never did I even talk to her.
    Maybe I should have helped her, and told her that there is a way out from this hell she was in.
    Maybe Allah will help her turn normal again one day
    I think a crocodile might be more tolerant than you...
    If you're still referring to the trans man, his hell will be helped by modifying his sex to fit his gender, not by listening to you spout things with no logical or empirical base.
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    You just keep denying the obvious and we´ll see where that takes you :rolleyes:
    I love irony, don't you?

    Sorry, but I've studied the empirical facts of sex and gender. I know at least one transperson personally.
    You have a book that you have as much evidence for the truth of what's in it as I have evidence Harry Potter is true. Would you like to buy a house elf?
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    If you are referring to a person who was born female but identifies as being gendered a man, then that person is a he. And I don't care what you think the devil is up to, if you keep saying otherwise then you will be reported for offensiveness because that's just what that is.
    I skim read and usedshe in error
    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    I never said that you are not intelligent. Some great intellectuals probably were homosexuals, but the devil attacks anyone no matter the level of intelligence.

    With normal, I meant normal sexual orientation only.



    Yeah and I am Crocodile :rolleyes:.

    I never bullied her, because I was afraid of her at the time, and never did I even talk to her.
    Maybe I should have helped her, and told her that there is a way out from this hell she was in.
    Maybe Allah will help her turn normal again one day
    You basically implied i was stupid a few posts ago for blue believing tje same as you.
    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    You just keep denying the obvious and we´ll see where that takes you :rolleyes:
    You are the netto of people
    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    Normal sexual orientation: straight, gay, bi, pan, a.



    I think a crocodile might be more tolerant than you...
    If you're still referring to the trans man, his hell will be helped by modifying his sex to fit his gender, not by listening to you spout things with no logical or empirical base.
    Prsom



    For clarification ive been using she ot of error because I skim read.

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    (Original post by kasper2)
    As a muslim brother I will respond to this.

    First of all I can only speak for myself, but I believe that the majority of muslims agree with me:

    1) I simply can´t believe that Allah would intentionally create people who are not attracted to the opposite sex.
    Surely god is the All-knowing, the All-Merciful so why would Allah intentionally create people who are attracted to the same sex if Allah forbids it. It doesn´t make sense, right?
    It is the devil inside you who makes you disobey Allah, but I genuinely believe that through prayer, you my friend, will be able to overcome this satanic desire, and free yourself from the devil. Just pray to Allah and he will help you.

    2) Any christian/jew and especially muslim who says that being a homosexual is okay is not following the scripture correctly.
    The statement about homosexuality is not questionable.
    Allah explicitly says in the Quran that homosexuality is a Great Sin, and Allah knows best.

    3) I don´t live in britain and don´t know the law there, but if what you say is true, then one is clearly discriminating against "The People of The Book".

    4) Do you mean that homosexuality can be compared with race.
    The answer is no, it can´t. As my muslim brother said earlier,
    being gay is a choice, whereas you´re born with a certain skin colour.

    5) The best would be to not be a homosexual. Remember that Allah is the All-Merciful, the All-Forgiving and you can always repent, and be normal.

    6) I don´t agree with you! But if that is true (which I strongly do not believe), then may Allah guide them along the right path.

    7) Allah knows best. Who am I, a simple human being, trying to question the authority and rules of my creator. I wouldn´t even consider it.
    Everything in the Quran is true. Allah doesn´t make mistakes.
    He is the All-Mighty, the All-Knowing.

    And Allah Knows Best.
    Sorry but you sound like one of religious freaks whose brains were washed out. First of all, being 'gay' is not a choice, I wish it was a choice, so I could switch to females. People were born like that, do you get it?

    Isn't having more than one wife is a sin too? Does your Allah say you to discriminate others based on their sexuality? Seems that you don't follow your religion that well as you DISCRIMINATE people and say that they're bad.

    Better not to be a homosexual? Are you serious? How immature that's supposed to be to even say that? Are you a God to judge gay people? NO! So, sit in your corner and shush. Be normal..... I'm normal, but you are not a normal person because a normal person wouldn't say such things like you do.

    And stop always mentioning that Allah is that, he is that and bla bla bla.. I respect every single God that there is but I don't feel a respect for people who discriminate or judge others when they have 0 rights to do so.

    But it's not worth to discuss this with narrow-minded people like you and others because you're a sin too and a shame for your religion.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    I think a crocodile might be more tolerant than you...
    If you're still referring to the trans man, his hell will be helped by modifying his sex to fit his gender, not by listening to you spout things with no logical or empirical base.
    Clearly we disagree on a fundamental level, but you´re entitled to your own opinion and so do I. I was just trying to help the homosexuals out here who are possesed by the devil :rolleyes:.

    Also the only normal sexual orientation is heterosexuality; look up the the definition for the word "normal" and you´ll see that I am right :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    You just keep denying the obvious and we´ll see where that takes you :rolleyes:
    You know what? After reading this http://www.investigateislam.com/my_l...slim_women.htm I found out that some laws or things are much much worse and aren't normal, so don't even try and pursue us that gay people aren't normal when what I've read is 100% not normal!

    Homosexuals are possessed by a devil.... well, dude, I think you're the one who is possessed by a religious devil

    Oh it's normal to have more than one wife, it's normal to dominate women by not allowing them to be independent etc. So, now what do we call normal ah?
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    Clearly we disagree on a fundamental level, but you´re entitled to your own opinion and so do I. I was just trying to help the homosexuals out here who are possesed by the devil :rolleyes:.
    The difference is that my opinion has empirical support. You're entitled to have your opinion, but if you can't back it up we're all entitled to tell you that your opinion is rubbish and laugh at it and not take you seriously.
    Homosexuals being possessed by the devil is one of those things you have no empirical evidence for, so we're not taking you seriously.

    Also the only normal sexual orientation is heterosexuality; look up the the definition for the word "normal" and you´ll see that I am right :rolleyes:
    See I did that, and you were wrong.
    I'm using google dictionary and 'conforming to a standard' doesn't make only heterosexuality normal (in fact you could argue that none of them are normal). If you've got a bigot's dictionary that you'd like to share a definition from I'm all ears (figuratively).
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    Clearly we disagree on a fundamental level, but you´re entitled to your own opinion and so do I. I was just trying to help the homosexuals out here who are possesed by the devil :rolleyes:.

    Also the only normal sexual orientation is heterosexuality; look up the the definition for the word "normal" and you´ll see that I am right :rolleyes:
    A few things to outline

    NOBODY WHO IS GAY IS AFFECTED BY THE DEVIL (besides maybe md but thats a different matter (I kid))

    Sexuality is largely believed to be fluid and there is no solid sexuality. Btw in Muslim countries there is a staggeringly large gay porn audience.

    Is no normality in sexuality. Thatswhy it's spelt with s e x and not n o r m a l
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    (Original post by Ali-Iraq94)
    Exactly, as I said earlier the devil only wants bad things for you, and you just said that leading a homosexual life is harder than a normal life.
    The devil and YOU chose to be homosexual, but by fighting of the devil you will hopefully turn straight one day.
    No, I'm happy being who I am. I may be different, but I have accepted who I am and I live a happy and fulfilling life as a gay man. I am not religious and do not believe in a devil or a god.

    They may not be facts to you but to me they are more than that, and since you´re arguing with me this is how my answers will be.
    Well logic, reason, science and knowledge are more important to me than religion and spirituality. Mindless belief without evidence isn't compatible with a modern, enlightened society.

    First of all, it´s a she and not a he. At least read my comment correctly :rolleyes:. I said it was a girl who FELT like a guy and not vice versa.

    It also has to do with homosexuality because the girl is together with another girl (hence she´s homosexual) who also FEELS like a guy.

    Clearly this is the devils work.
    Sheer ignorance and might I add, utterly offensive! Gender is more complex than "I've got a vagina therefore I must be a woman :dunce:". He is suffering from something called Gender Identity Disorder, which is where you strongly identify as the opposite gender to your biological gender. It is convention to address the person's gender identity, not the biological gender - so don't accuse me of not being diligent enough to read your post, I'm correcting your ignorance by using the correct pronoun.

    On the basis that he is male and has a girlfriend, it's nothing to do with homosexuality. He is simply transgendered.

    I am "not all that" but a simple arab dude. I never said anything about my looks/personality. It will never be the same if he said he´s gay, and if he wants to continue to follow the devil then I don´t see why my hypothetical previous friend would hang out with someone who looks down upon him and despise what he does.
    That's a shame that you feel so strongly about that. You'd gladly throw away good friends like a used tissue simply because of their sexual orientation? Some "friend" you are. It's hard enough coming to terms with your sexuality without bigots cutting you loose for something you have no control over. For shame.

    You should be happy that you live in a country where LBGT people are moderately accepted. In arab countries you´d be executed for this.
    Of course I personally am against this because I believe that Allah is forgiving and that death is never the solution.
    I'm very thankful of the fact that I live in a tolerant, developed nation that isn't ruled by religious insanity. It disappoints me that the Church of England still has influence here in the UK, but it's becoming more and more alienated and irrelevant in what is rapidly becoming a more secular society... I look forward to the day when we finally disestablish the state from the Church.

    I think it's disgusting that some countries still maintain the death penalty for homosexuality. I'm glad I have such an understanding employer as there has been a requirement for me to work in countries like Saudi Arabia and Malaysia and I've said that I can't because of how my sexual orientation is illegal there. They completely understood and have reassigned other team members to these projects. It's a shame that I've missed out on some really interesting work, but my personal safety comes first.
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    There was an exact case a few years ago where the owners were sued and forced to pay
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    There was an exact case a few years ago where the owners were sued and forced to pay
    I believe this is the same case.
    They've changed their status to non-profit so they can discriminate.
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    (Original post by minimarshmallow)
    I believe this is the same case.
    They've changed their status to non-profit so they can discriminate.
    The Courts decided they were discriminating, if it is then I hope the courts reiterates the last judgement on this matter.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    The Courts decided they were discriminating, if it is then I hope the courts reiterates the last judgement on this matter.
    They were discriminating as a public business, they are no longer a public business so this judgement is no longer relevant to them.
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    (Original post by ForgetMe)
    Sorry but you sound like one of religious freaks whose brains were washed out. First of all, being 'gay' is not a choice, I wish it was a choice, so I could switch to females. People were born like that, do you get it?
    I don´t consider myself very religious but I am a muslim. Being gay is a choice, end of discussion. You might bot believe that, pity you.

    I am happy that you want to switch to females. That means that the devil is not as strong in you as in the other dude "Bubble..." who actually wanted to continue this satanic lifestyle.

    Read the Quran my friend and you will be enlightened. It might take a long time but never give up!
    (Original post by ForgetMe)

    Isn't having more than one wife is a sin too? Does your Allah say you to discriminate others based on their sexuality? Seems that you don't follow your religion that well as you DISCRIMINATE people and say that they're bad.
    Having more that one wife is not a sin, but you have to meet a set of conditions which are nearly impossible to meet, only the prophet and his family would be able to fulfill all conditions.
    If you don´t meet the conditions then yes, it´s a sin.

    (Original post by ForgetMe)
    Better not to be a homosexual? Are you serious? How immature that's supposed to be to even say that? Are you a god to judge gay people? NO! So, sit in your corner and shush. Be normal..... I'm normal, but you are not a normal person because a normal person wouldn't say such things like you do.
    And stop always mentioning that Allah is that, he is that and bla bla bla.. I respect every single God that there is but I don't feel a respect for people who discriminate or judge others when they have 0 rights to do so.
    You are right, who am I to judge people. I am a simple human being who follows the rules set by Allah in the Quran, and Allah says that homosexuality is a Great Sin. I didn´t say that.
    I only advocate the divine law set by Allah, which asks us to help homosexuals to repent and become normal.

    Allah is Allah.

    (Original post by ForgetMe)
    But it's not worth to discuss this with narrow-minded people like you and others because you're a sin too and a shame for your religion.
    Any muslim who disagrees with me is wrong. Bring me one to discuss this issue with, and you´ll see who is right.
 
 
 
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