No, terrible idea. This is a debate where neither side considers up for a vote - both sides just think they are correct and that others should just accept that.(Original post by DYKWIA)
Voters should be able to decide this. That's democratically fair, especially as abortion is a fuzzy topic (when is a life considered a life etc.)
It's no coincidence that women are always the most hardline pro-abortion folks. Abortion should not be a form of birth control. Heck women would start having abortions simply because they don't like the gender of the child.
Whether you think a foetus is a person or not, making personhood up to public vote sets a bad precedent.
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- 24-03-2013 23:35
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- 24-03-2013 23:38
Read freakonomics and the answer will become clear
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- 24-03-2013 23:40
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Shotgun weddings galore.
Its dumb, the kids grow up in disfunction unprepared households, don't have the environment they need, become delinquents, and go on to commit crime, use hard drugs, and all the other things that contribute to a thriving society. -
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- 24-03-2013 23:47
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A cop out of a proper argument against whatever it is referring to.
If OP had posted a thread on abortion in general, fine taking it down to grassroots. But as this is referring to a specific example, I don't need to start my post with 'So the morality of abortion is blah blahblah....'Last edited by Xiomara; 24-03-2013 at 23:49. -
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- 25-03-2013 00:30
(Original post by Xiomara)
Not really. OP posted a thread and asked for opinions. I gave mine - that North Dakota is clearly as backwards as ****.
If OP had posted a thread on abortion in general, fine taking it down to grassroots. But as this is referring to a specific example, I don't need to start my post with 'So the morality of abortion is blah blahblah....'
It is whenever the year 2013 starts being thrown around as if that is worth anything at all. -
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- 25-03-2013 00:36
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I have no issue with that at all. A perfectly reasonable opinion.
It is whenever the year 2013 starts being thrown around as if that is worth anything at all. -
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- 25-03-2013 00:41
The American Dream, **** yeah!
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- 25-03-2013 00:43
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Do you think that it'll increase or decrease unplanned pregnancies?
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- 25-03-2013 03:01
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Here's a point. If you don't agree with abortions, don't have them. It's not fair to impose a law on others that agree with abortion.
You may as well suggest it is unfair to impose laws on murder or assault where there is a disagreement over who constitutes a person. It is a perfectly legitimate role for the state to involve itself in.
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Imposing your beliefs on others and forcing them to do something that they don't want to do is wrong.
Women have terminated unwanted pregnancies for thousands of years
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- 25-03-2013 10:10
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Someone else has read Freakonomics! -
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- 25-03-2013 13:33
(Original post by doggyfizzel)
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- 26-03-2013 18:37
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That is a VERY late term abortion.
Early term you just take a pill and it comes out your vag along with your womb lining
Mid term they just suck it out.
I'm very undecided on abortion, but this new law is ridiculous. It won't help matters, it will just increase backstreet abortions. -
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- 26-03-2013 20:25
The issue really is not as simple as both sides like to make it out to be. It's not "just plain murder" and it isn't about letting women do what they want with their bodies, because it isn't just their bodies, it's the childs as well and if the fetus has been defined in a persons mind to be a child, ie. a person, then yes it is murder to them so of course they're going to want it to be illegal.
The issue essentially boils down to when we determine the fetus becomes a person and all the rights that that entails. I can't imagine anything but science giving us a good answer for that.Last edited by forfrosne; 26-03-2013 at 20:27. -
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- 26-03-2013 22:12
(Original post by forfrosne)
The issue really is not as simple as both sides like to make it out to be. It's not "just plain murder" and it isn't about letting women do what they want with their bodies, because it isn't just their bodies, it's the childs as well and if the fetus has been defined in a persons mind to be a child, ie. a person, then yes it is murder to them so of course they're going to want it to be illegal.
The issue essentially boils down to when we determine the fetus becomes a person and all the rights that that entails. I can't imagine anything but science giving us a good answer for that. -
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- 26-03-2013 23:47
(Original post by edithwashere)
True - I personally identify religions as being a faith following a deity though, which Buddhism isn't. I'd definitely say it is a faith, and it's very spiritual, but Buddhists are just lovely really, they just take life as it is and don't bully others into believing what they believe
Only need to look at Sri Lanka and Burma for the Buddhist nut cases. -
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- 29-03-2013 09:41
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Oh, is that all they do?
I'm very undecided on abortion, but this new law is ridiculous. It won't help matters, it will just increase backstreet abortions. -
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- 29-03-2013 10:57
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I don't know if that was sarcasm but it is hardly the terrible process that everyone makes it out to be...)
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