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    (Original post by Kabloomybuzz)
    I will have to partially eat my words here... the UDHR is not in itself legally binding... However, it is a guide for many other legally binding documents and many of these contain the same rights and these are only added to. One example of this is the ECHR, which the UK has agreed and signed up to and is therefore legally bound by, If you compare the UDHR and the EHR, you will find that they are almost word for word and therefore, my points stand.
    You have this totally mixed up. You are entitled to unrestricted access to the internet, what companies or people however choose to put on their web server or the rules they put in place (providing legal) to manage the content are completely up to them.
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    I've been trying to avoid it given the context here, but I've been following the thread and following concerns raised by a number or people this is posted in a moderation capacity...

    Everyone, please could we put aside the human rights discussion and move on. This particular sub-issue is starting to dominate the thread, especially with the legal detail being raised, to the extent that it's counter-productive in allowing the thread to be used as a means for other members more widely to express their views on the original question. There have been some valuable opinions posted here and I'm sure that everyone would like the thread to remain as open as possible for others to participate.

    Feel free to post a separate thread for that sub-isue if you'd like, but for this thread, back to the original question as per the thread title, prior to post #31.
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Because who gave you the warning is ultimately, irrelevant. What is relevant is why you got the warning - which you are duly furnished with.
    Yes yes all fine and dandy I feel you're missing the point though I'm curious if there's a special reason why they're anonymous warnings unless you go to aam or if its just a standard policy.
    Irrelevant is somewhat debatable...
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Yes yes all fine and dandy I feel you're missing the point though I'm curious if there's a special reason why they're anonymous warnings unless you go to aam or if its just a standard policy.
    Irrelevant is somewhat debatable...
    Standard policy.
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Yes yes all fine and dandy I feel you're missing the point though I'm curious if there's a special reason why they're anonymous warnings unless you go to aam or if its just a standard policy.
    Irrelevant is somewhat debatable...

    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Standard policy.
    I feel that the reason it's standard policy might be questioned.

    I think it's standard policy to put that barrier that people can remove by posting is to help take people away from the reason they were warned, and to help prevent people from flaming the mods and getting into more trouble.
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    (Original post by there's too much love)
    I feel that the reason it's standard policy might be questioned.

    I think it's standard policy to put that barrier that people can remove by posting is to help take people away from the reason they were warned, and to help prevent people from flaming the mods and getting into more trouble.
    Pretty much got it in one. It's not nice being on the receiving end of constant, never ending revenge negs and PM's. At least AAM is a controlled environment where the team are protected from direct abuse.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    TSR is a bit like a hairdryer. Noone bothers to read the instructions before use they just get on and use it. The difficulty comes if you are moderated and you have no idea why. Then you are directed to a rule that is hard to find, and even then it makes no sense and terminology that is not in common parlance is used by way of explanation. It is a mystery.


    Who are the moderators?
    How did they become moderators?
    When do the alarm bells ring that makes them whirl into action ie what is the trigger. It is a mystery
    I like the analogy. Most people that use this site will never be warned or alerted by the moderation team but will be spared from spam etc by us.



    Who are the moderators?

    Volunteers who are normally passionate about that section of the site.

    How did they become moderators??

    There's an open nomination process where you are nominated by your peers and then the current section moderators/section leaders decide on the best candidate.

    When do the alarm bells ring that makes them whirl into action ie what is the trigger. It is a mystery

    The Trigger is usually a report. People can report rule breaking posts and then we see reports and open it. See someone posts porn and can come remove it and warn the person that posted it...

    Often the mods read a lot of the threads in their section and come across rule breaking posts by reading them as well...
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    Pretty much got it in one. It's not nice being on the receiving end of constant, never ending revenge negs and PM's. At least AAM is a controlled environment where the team are protected from direct abuse.
    And therein lies a problem I have with arguments not to post warning threads in public. Because mod's might receive abuse. But mods are users first and moderators second. And users also can't receive abuse. Such threads would be within the general rules of TSR, and people who flame/troll/abuse any users, mods or not, would surely be warned again and then banned?

    The most powerful counters I can think of are practicality ones. That even if you had enough mods, either too much time would be taken dealing with such threads, or too many mods would stop being mods due to the rise in abuse. But without testing this out be implementing it as policy, you wouldn't be able to argue it one way or another, because you wouldn't have any information to base it on.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    TSR is a bit like a hairdryer. Noone bothers to read the instructions before use they just get on and use it. The difficulty comes if you are moderated and you have no idea why. Then you are directed to a rule that is hard to find, and even then it makes no sense and terminology that is not in common parlance is used by way of explanation. It is a mystery.
    Who are the moderators?
    How did they become moderators?
    When do the alarm bells ring that makes them whirl into action ie what is the trigger. It is a mystery
    Lets be fair tough who ever reads the t&c's?
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    So do moderators only watch certain areas of the site, or all?
    Is one allowed freedom of expression in Chat but not in other areas.
    I think if one is moderated, the first reaction is one of complete surprise.
    Thank you Motorbiker for your reply.
    I think the clue to all users shoul be that we need to observe the rules of the site and if we are moderated for miscreant activity, a hyperlink could be included to the relevant rule and how we transgressed.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    So do moderators only watch certain areas of the site, or all?
    Is one allowed freedom of expression in Chat but not in other areas.
    I think if one is moderated, the first reaction is one of complete surprise.
    Thank you Motorbiker for your reply.
    I think the clue to all users shoul be that we need to observe the rules of the site and if we are moderated for miscreant activity, a hyperlink could be included to the relevant rule and how we transgressed.
    "Section Moderator"s watch a certain section.
    "Section Leaders" watch the entire site.

    In Chat you can get away with more spammy-type posts. So you have more freedom of expression there.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    So do moderators only watch certain areas of the site, or all?

    Is one allowed freedom of expression in Chat but not in other areas.

    I think if one is moderated, the first reaction is one of complete surprise.
    Thank you Motorbiker for your reply.
    I think the clue to all users shoul be that we need to observe the rules of the site and if we are moderated for miscreant activity, a hyperlink could be included to the relevant rule and how we transgressed.
    Moderators watch certain areas. It will say on the RHS of the screen who the area moderators are. E.g I am Motoring and Motorsport. Section leaders(like Vlad) have powers in the entire website and can deal with moderation queries as well but even so they normally focus on one section of the sitee.g Hobbies and Interests...

    Chat has relaxed rules slightly on spam etc due to the chatty nature of it but not sure really since i only play in the count to 100 thread in there..

    I can't remember exactly what the warning Pm looks like but i think it does tell you the offence you've broken plus a comment from the moderator which is usually trying to explain what you did wrong. .
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    (Original post by Mad Vlad)
    We're entirely accountable. To the site's owners who manage us from above, and through peer review throughout the moderation team. And besides... great power? Woo... I can ban someone on an internet forum... my balls are trembling, the power is so amazing... Please.
    its just one extra word :lol:

    I meant to say, with power comes responsibility and accountability. There, sounds okay now?
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    The terminology I don't know is: Troll (trolling); Flame (flaming); spam (spamming) also references to areas such as AAM. It is a mystery- like being cast into a foreign land where you really don't know the lingo
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Lets be fair tough who ever reads the t&c's?
    Ignorance does not excuse rule breaking.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    So do moderators only watch certain areas of the site, or all?
    Is one allowed freedom of expression in Chat but not in other areas.
    I think if one is moderated, the first reaction is one of complete surprise.
    Thank you Motorbiker for your reply.
    I think the clue to all users shoul be that we need to observe the rules of the site and if we are moderated for miscreant activity, a hyperlink could be included to the relevant rule and how we transgressed.
    Moderators tend to have powers in certain forums, some may have powers in more than one. The section leader 'look after' forums and their moderators as a whole (eg. Study Help or Life & Style). The 'Meet the Mods' wiki page might be helpful.

    Edit: Too late
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    The terminology I don't know is: Troll (trolling); Flame (flaming); spam (spamming) also references to areas such as AAM. It is a mystery- like being cast into a foreign land where you really don't know the lingo
    It's not really been maintained for a while, but the TSR Glossary is still pretty good for these at least: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/TSR_Glossary
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    (Original post by Motorbiker)
    Moderators watch certain areas. It will say on the RHS of the screen who the area moderators are. E.g I am Motoring and Motorsport. Section leaders(like Vlad) have powers in the entire website and can deal with moderation queries as well but even so they normally focus on one section of the sitee.g Hobbies and Interests...

    Chat has relaxed rules slightly on spam etc due to the chatty nature of it but not sure really since i only play in the count to 100 thread in there..

    I can't remember exactly what the warning Pm looks like but i think it does tell you the offence you've broken plus a comment from the moderator which is usually trying to explain what you did wrong. .
    Here's one I had earlier, edited to be within the rules of course:




    Dear there's too much love,

    You are receiving this email because you have picked up a warning on The Student Room. Please be aware of the forum rules (http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/faq....utm_source=tsr &utm_medium=e&utm_campaign=r0 09) which apply not only to posts, but to content in profiles and signatures as well.

    The post you have been warned for can be seen here:

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    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...php?p=4194XXXX

    POST WITH LINK (hyperlink edited above showing me the post if I click on it, unless the post has been deleted).
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    The admin/moderator who warned you added this comment:

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    DO NOT DO X ACTION.
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    The type of warning you have received is: Offensiveness

    You have received 5 point(s) on your account for this violation. Details of how long these warnings will remain active and of your current total warning points can be found in your profile.

    If you reach the maximum of 15 warning points, you will be banned from the forums for 7 days.

    If you wish to discuss this warning, please post in the Ask A Moderator Forum:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/foru...=565&utm_sourc e=tsr&utm_medium=e&utm_campaign= aam009

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    Is it ironic to post it in this thread? Especially as it was for a post I made in this thread? Maybe not for the latter, but the former...
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    (Original post by Transformational)
    Ignorance does not excuse rule breaking.
    It did when I was caught with a bottle in a no liqueur zone, a sorry officer I had no idea goes a long way apparently
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    (Original post by Illusionary)
    It's not really been maintained for a while, but the TSR Glossary is still pretty good for these at least: http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/wiki/TSR_Glossary
    Thanks for the tip - I will take a look
 
 
 
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