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    Quoted from Ape Gone Insane- "It is against the rules to discuss your warnings or specific moderation actions in the public forums. As for discussion of moderation in general, that's fine".

    Earlier today I posted quite a controversial thread regarding certain aspects of TSR's moderation process, namely the procedure when we have broken the rules. However, I will not delve into this matter because I do not want any unnecessary repercussions. So I ask everyone who posts in this thread politely to also abide by the rules of TSR so that we do not derail from the topic and have this thread closed down. Mods I also want you to take into consideration that some trolls will inevitably be attracted to this thread, therefore please remove anyone who breaks the rules rather than closing the thread (thus preventing any sensible discussions being brought to a hault).

    Right, as a result of my earlier thread there were numerous personal messages being sent to me commending me of my efforts to raise a prevalent issue on TSR. These messages opposed some of the actions of the minority of mods, thus there was a sense of bitterness and distrust. This was also evident in the original thread this morning, so many posters were frustrated at the mods for their actions in the moderation process. Now Ape Gone Insane reminded me in the AAM section that mods are volunteers, so please do not make comments that will offend the mods.

    What I ask you is how would you like to see the moderation system improved? What do you not like about the current moderation system (I remind you to bear in mind Ape Gone Insane's message at the top of this thread before posting). Would you like better regulation and consistency of posts, perhaps elected mods would seem more democratic? Please share your thoughts and lets engage in some active debates. Hopefully some mods will also join in and voice their opinion.
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    There was a survey and I have made my views well known. It needs to be improved but how?

    If someone is being bullied which is evident then mods should do deal with it rather than turning round and saying it is not. Not waiting for the victim to take action himself due to their failures. This is the biggest flaw and it must be addressed, not for them to deal things when it is too late. It is not all mods, it is the system which allows people called every name under the sun and nothing can be done because someone subjectively decides it is a difference of opinion.

    I have made my views known about controversial threads: monitor, remind and if it still carries on then close it down

    There is also the subjective criteria of the Mods selection, it is the old boys club and anyone who doesn't fit in are excluded completely. Again I am not attacking people, I am attacking the system which is not fit for bloody purpose and needs wholescale reform now.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    There is also the subjective criteria of the Mods selection, it is the old boys club and anyone who doesn't fit in are excluded completely. Again I am not attacking people, I am attacking the system which is not fit for bloody purpose and needs wholescale reform now.
    Can you clarify what you mean / why you feel that way? I respect your views, but I'm usually to first to feel 'excluded' from situations and I never felt that way at any point during the selection process, or while I was a mod.
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    (Original post by Pandora.)
    Can you clarify what you mean / why you feel that way? I respect your views, but I'm usually to first to feel 'excluded' from situations and I never felt that way at any point during the selection process, or while I was a mod.
    It is the same with all things including Students Unions. If your an outsider, you have no chance.

    I don't know the ins and outs on here but it appears that way.

    If people think I am positioning, then that is their view but I have my own view
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    It is the same with all things including Students Unions. If your an outsider, you have no chance.

    I don't know the ins and outs on here but it appears that way.

    If people think I am positioning, then that is their view but I have my own view
    Well in fairness if you're not a student it would be a bit odd joining an su
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Well in fairness if you're not a student it would be a bit odd joining an su
    If you do not hang around with the insiders who have a monopoly who keep it by getting their own to run in so called elections, your screwed if your an outsider
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    If you do not hang around with the insiders who have a monopoly who keep it by getting their own to run in so called elections, your screwed if your an outsider
    I must say I never noticed this at my one, a complete dip**** managed to get himself in much to the horror of the current members :L
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    If you do not hang around with the insiders who have a monopoly who keep it by getting their own to run in so called elections, your screwed if your an outsider
    I really do think you have the wrong idea about the process. There is no concept of 'outsiders' and 'insiders', please trust me. All who are picked are picked on their own merits. It's not a case of "It's not what you know, it's who you know". From experience, the selection process is conducted in a fair and thorough manner.
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    Not sure if this comes under the heading of this thread, but the standout thing I notice is how much sexism is rampant across the forums, loads and loads of directly sexual and sexist remarks made to female posters and an air of tolerance towards it. I don't know if this is because Mods have a policy of not acting unless a specific complaint is obtained, and I have felt that Mods have been responsive when I have complained about ones aimed at me, but my general view is that slices of TSR are not friendly places for women to post. Specifically, female posters who express opinions forcefully in areas like D & CA are frequently subjected to sexist put-downs, things like "calm down dearie", "is it your time of the month", etc, etc. These don't contain directly offensive swearing or malice, but they are clearly designed to put-down along gender lines.

    It must be very difficult for some female posters to engage in these circumstances. When threads appear that directly address sexism issues, like Page 3 or pornography, the sexist invective becomes noticeable more intense. I would think such threads should be subject to a no-gender-invective rule.

    I don't know if it is monitored, but it is also extremely widespread that female members who post and particularly those who show a picture of themselves receive a great many VMs and PMs containing sexist remarks, come-ons, rather weak chat-ups, etc. I would guess that this is also intimidating to many female members.
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    (Original post by Morgsie)

    There is also the subjective criteria of the Mods selection, it is the old boys club and anyone who doesn't fit in are excluded completely. Again I am not attacking people, I am attacking the system which is not fit for bloody purpose and needs wholescale reform now.
    Are you even aware how people became mods? I became a mod because someone nominated me. I then had to explain why I think I would be a good mod. I have another mod role elsewhere too.

    Oh, and I became a mental health mod via self nomination.

    It's sod all to do with fitting in. No-one is excluded.
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    The system protects the perpetrator rather than the victim.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Not sure if this comes under the heading of this thread, but the standout thing I notice is how much sexism is rampant across the forums, loads and loads of directly sexual and sexist remarks made to female posters and an air of tolerance towards it. I don't know if this is because Mods have a policy of not acting unless a specific complaint is obtained.
    Because of the size of the forum, we don't see every single thing posted and sometimes have to rely on members to report things which they feel are breaking the rules. (including PMs)

    If I see something where I mod and feel it's against the rules, I will act upon it, regardless of whether someone has reported it or not.

    We're volunteers and have lives outside of TSR.
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    (Original post by OU Student)
    Because of the size of the forum, we don't see every single thing posted and sometimes have to rely on members to report things which they feel are breaking the rules. (including PMs)

    If I see something where I mod and feel it's against the rules, I will act upon it, regardless of whether someone has reported it or not.

    We're volunteers and have lives outside of TSR.
    Yes and generally doing a great job I have to say! I wonder if it could be widened somehow? I'm sure that's been thought about a lot already though.
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    someone aware me on what happened? did some mods went rouge and mass banned people? :confused:
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    (Original post by Morgsie)
    There was a survey and I have made my views well known. It needs to be improved but how?

    If someone is being bullied which is evident then mods should do deal with it rather than turning round and saying it is not. Not waiting for the victim to take action himself due to their failures. This is the biggest flaw and it must be addressed, not for them to deal things when it is too late. It is not all mods, it is the system which allows people called every name under the sun and nothing can be done because someone subjectively decides it is a difference of opinion.

    I have made my views known about controversial threads: monitor, remind and if it still carries on then close it down

    There is also the subjective criteria of the Mods selection, it is the old boys club and anyone who doesn't fit in are excluded completely. Again I am not attacking people, I am attacking the system which is not fit for bloody purpose and needs wholescale reform now.
    Then how do you explain people who have been a member of TSR for a year or just over becoming mods? When Eli_EMC became mod of the MHoC/MUN he had been a member for about a year perhaps no more than 17 months. I'm pretty sure I've seen other mods who have been a member not even half the time that I've been a member so I don't think that's true. It's really about merit and standing out. Standing out and contributing makes someone reccomended I suppose and keeping to the rules, as in not too many warning points.
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    (Original post by thunder_chunky)
    Then how do you explain people who have been a member of TSR for a year or just over becoming mods? When Eli_EMC became mod of the MHoC/MUN he had been a member for about a year perhaps no more than 17 months. I'm pretty sure I've seen other mods who have been a member not even half the time that I've been a member so I don't think that's true. It's really about merit and standing out. Standing out and contributing makes someone reccomended I suppose and keeping to the rules, as in not too many warning points.
    It was about 11 months for me. I've seen others with similar lengths too.
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    (Original post by Pandora.)
    It was about 11 months for me. I've seen others with similar lengths too.
    I was about 11 months too. I think there's someone on here who said he was only a member for 6 months or so.
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    (Original post by Pandora.)
    It was about 11 months for me. I've seen others with similar lengths too.

    (Original post by OU Student)
    I was about 11 months too. I think there's someone on here who said he was only a member for 6 months or so.
    You must have really stood out. And been less criminal than myself.
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    It's good to see a thread created where constructive criticism of moderators is being discussed. Despite our better efforts, there can be times when we are blind to obvious ways in which we can improve. Hopefully there are messages out of this thread in future replies that we can use to help us grow and improve as a team. It's also especially nice to see it packaged as a thread where both sides of the argument are weighed out equally. To echo Ape Gone Insane's post (bolded in purple in the OP), discussion of a user's individuals warnings should remain in AAM between the moderator(s) and that user. This has always been the case and if you see the removal of a thread discussing a particular users warning, it's not a cover-up, or a conspiracy. It is done so merely in the interest of both the users and the mod team.

    Regardless, I'm not posting to make some long speech but more that whilst we're discussing the mod team etc., we're looking for new moderators in Debate & Current Affairs (specifically N&CA and Religion). If you think someone (or yourself!) would make a good moderator/be an enhancement for the moderation team then make a nomination. It is evident that it's far from an old boys club.
    Having been both active as a moderator and section leader, it's fair to say all nominations are taken into consideration with careful thought given as to who is chosen.
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    Quoted from Ape Gone Insane- "It is against the rules to discuss your warnings or specific moderation actions in the public forums. As for discussion of moderation in general, that's fine".
    I don't see why discussing warnings needs to be against the rules so blanketedly. Is their really a problem with saying why you've been warned/banned? Whilst I see the negatives of a prolonged discussion I don't quite get this policy.
 
 
 
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