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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    unfortunately so and i have a feeling the type of guys who need to read it are the type who wouldnt care anyway
    Yeah,the same way that the same guys that rape women are also the same ones that violently mug men
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ang-rapes.html

    Honestly it's quite horrible really that a small few have to ruin life for the majority.

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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    Yeah,the same way that the same guys that rape women are also the same ones that violently mug men
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ang-rapes.html

    Honestly it's quite horrible really that a small few have to ruin life for the majority.

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    It is, I am so lucky that i have fantastic male friends and a wonderful boyfriend to show me how lovely men can be.
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    It is, I am so lucky that i have fantastic male friends and a wonderful boyfriend to show me how lovely men can be.
    Some are great, some are awful, like women really but with a penis, prostate, no breasts and shorter hair.

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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    Some are great, some are awful, like women really but with a penis, prostate, no breasts and shorter hair.

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    There are horrible people of every type, there are also lovely people of every type and we just need to keep these in our lives and thoughts
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    There are horrible people of every type, there are also lovely people of every type and we just need to keep these in our lives and thoughts
    One of the worst things I've noticed about people is judging them by their clothing

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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    One of the worst things I've noticed about people is judging them by their clothing

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    unfortunately i do this, i used to live in an area where the typical chav types were pretty nasty so it was just easier and safer to avoid anyone dressed like that. Its now still a bit of a habit despite recently moving to a much nicer area.
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    unfortunately i do this, i used to live in an area where the typical chav types were pretty nasty so it was just easier and safer to avoid anyone dressed like that. Its now still a bit of a habit despite recently moving to a much nicer area.
    but I live in one of those areas and I dress like that because If I wear decent clothes I usually get mugged.

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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    but I live in one of those areas and I dress like that because If I wear decent clothes I usually get mugged.

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    im assuming you dont go around attacking people with bricks and stabbing them though. You see why it was safer for me to assume and cross the road.

    However I dont call anyone or judge anyone as a chav unless they show the behavior of one.
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    im assuming you dont go around attacking people with bricks and stabbing them though. You see why it was safer for me to assume and cross the road.

    However I dont call anyone or judge anyone as a chav unless they show the behavior of one.
    Yeah I don't but I found out from personal experience that a few people around my area do though and when I see them at night I cross the road and avoid dark places they scare the hell out of me even people in my 6th form classes, they asked me where I lived I told them they called me a chav and that people don't feel safe going there at night I hate it.

    That's good then but my accent don't help it makes me sound uninelligent until people go into biochem and organic chem and calculus with me, then they stop calling me a chav, I feel like people at college are all richer than me so they laugh at me.

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    (Original post by edithwashere)
    I like effeminate men far more than masculine men. "Masculine" men have much more of a tendency to try and physically abuse you, I have found from my own experiences. Being feminine shouldn't be looked down upon whatever gender it appears in.
    Yeah, but in general, effeminate men are about as sexually attractive as masturbating with a cheese grater.
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Yeah, but in general, effeminate men are about as sexually attractive as masturbating with a cheese grater.
    Effeminate as in behaviourally camp, or effeminate as in more emotionally available/feminine in how they socialise and communicate?
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    (Original post by ninth2)
    Effeminate as in behaviourally camp, or effeminate as in more emotionally available/feminine in how they socialise and communicate?
    Both.
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    Both.
    Thanks, just curious! that's interesting. Sexuality and what we're each attracted to varies so much haha. I don't think I could find someone standoffish and overly brooding readily/immediately sexually attractive. Sure, the mystery would be a novelty, but I'd find it difficult to connect with them.

    Obviously there are no right or wrong answers though!
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    (Original post by jreid1994)
    One of the worst things I've noticed about people is judging them by their clothing

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    Sadly we all do this

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    How about bodily hair? I would consider that women are expected to shave legs and armpits in order to be attractive as sexism.

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    (Original post by xxAbixx18)
    How about bodily hair? I would consider that women are expected to shave legs and armpits in order to be attractive as sexism.
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    I think more an more women want their men well groomed these days aswell. I know I do
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    (Original post by kunoichi)
    Unfortunately i have to agree, 5 pages in and i began to feel tingles of hatred for the male gender. I cant read it for too long, although it does make you think 'what would i do in that situation' and could maybe help you prepare for facing some of those situations.

    If anything it would be very useful for guys maybe to see things from womens point of view, such as if guys yell things they may consider complimentary in the street it is actually intimidating and upsetting for us, or what they consider a joke in the workplace might actually be seen as offensive and unprofessional.
    I don't think it does much good for guys either, it misrepresents women in a similar way that it misrepresents men, in that the human mind will be pushed to believe that all men act like the arse holes portrayed in the stories, or pushed to believe that all women are out to paint men as demons, depending on which 'side' you're on to start with - it's polarising.

    Just to illustrate my point, on the first page I can see 3 which are valid accusations of sexism (plus 2 examples of sexism against men but are implied to be sexism against women), with the remaining 5 being crimes or other impropriety motivated not by sexism, but by the aggressor's sexual orientation.
    Crime or other impropriety motivated by sexual orientation rather than sexism

    Rebecca 2013-03-14 15:18
    Woke up in an overnight train carriage in Morocco to find drunk man with his hand in my sleeping bag fondling my legs.




    Rebecca 2013-03-14 15:16
    My 65 year old, married mother was trying to get past a drunk man in a crowded train aisle and he tried to kiss her.




    Rebecca 2013-03-14 15:15
    My friend was waiting for me at a festival, she told me a man had tried to kiss her, but when she refused, he spat at her and called her a *****.




    A 2013-03-14 14:30
    At my university, a male friend invited me over to watch a movie with him one night. I went over, he tried to kiss me and I told him no, I wasn't into him like that, and if that's why he wanted me there then I would leave. He said no, he understood, he just liked my company. Fell asleep and woke up to him with his hand up my skirt and inside my tights. I slapped him and left, he accused me of sending mixed signals.*
    I was asleep. How is that a mixed signal?




    Nic 2013-03-14 12:59
    When I was seventeen I had a after college job doing some cleaning for a large company. one evening I overheard a man (not a cleaner but a supposedly respectable man) in his fifties saying to a colleague that and I quote 'he wouldn't need to open my legs to F**k me'. I was very tall and gangly with stick thin legs that didn't meet in the middle. I have never forgotten how ashamed I felt and how they both laughed. This was unfortunately just one incident, the list is long, but now I am invisible in my 40's and glad of it.

    These aren't great, but to imply they are part of a sexist society is wrong - the aggressors are likely to have done the same to a man were they gay. These men are arse holes or even criminals, and anybody reading these should realise this and not lump them in with society at large.


    Sexism against men yet implied to be examples of sexism against women
    Valerie 2013-03-14 13:05
    My partner and I are both equally skilled, qualified and educated. In fact I probably have a higher academic and knowledge background than him. We have both been seeking new roles.
    He landed a job paying £100,000. meanwhile I am struggling to even get interviews for jobs at £40,000. My fourteen year daughter asked me why this is?

    I then had to sit her down and explain how the boys network works, discrimination against women and how this is likely to impact on her own aspirations as she moves into the world of work

    Gemma via Twitter 2013-03-14 12:53
    Just saw vid advertised on YouTube "Why men really watch the Olympics" illustrated with womans bum hanging out of her pants
    Obviously the latter is just wrong, but the former is devaluing her husband's achievements just because he is a man, and worse, she's crushing her daughter's hopes. She could be right, of course, that her husband knows a current employee who recommended him, but that's down to luck (for that particular role) and networking (which anyone aiming for £40k should have already done).




    Actual sexism against women
    Jilly 2013-03-14 15:15
    I was part of a photo for the student council in my uni. We brought in a professional photographer, and were setting a group photo. The photographer said to me "you with the big boobs and big smile, I want you in the middle to be the focus of the picture." I am so disgusted to be objectified like this.

    Rebecca 2013-03-14 15:12
    Older man at work said too many women go to work these days and need to learn their place.

    Anon 2013-03-14 14:15
    I went to get my car serviced, I dropped it off on my own and although one could describe it as a 'man's car' because it is not a small hatchback or a mini etc it is obviously my car as it has a pink dice on the aerial. I was given the Ford KA as a courtesy car as obviously I would be riveted to drive such a feminine car. My partner met me to pick my car up. There was a small list of issues which I was discussing with the mechanic. When my partner turned up he only spoke to him. I know about cars and my partner doesn't have a clue. He even pointed this out twice yet the mechanic only spoke to him. When I made a valid point about something to do with the car, he said "yes, thats correct. You see it's kind of like shoes..." I grabbed my documents and walked out. I was heavily pregnant at the time too. No doubt this lowered his expectations of my intelligence even more!

    These I feel are legitimate complaints, and are attitudes that pervade society so need to be recognised, but only 3 out of 10 (on the first page, but like for you, it isn't a good idea for me to keep reading through these ) isn't good enough if the other 7 are just making women readers resent men in general, and men readers think women in general resent men.
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    (Original post by xxAbixx18)
    How about bodily hair? I would consider that women are expected to shave legs and armpits in order to be attractive as sexism.
    That's a preference, not sexism. If a man were 'sexist' for preferring such women, then is he not sexist for finding men even less attractive (or even not attractive at all)?
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    (Original post by xxAbixx18)
    How about bodily hair? I would consider that women are expected to shave legs and armpits in order to be attractive as sexism.

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    What if you shaved off the hair on your head?

    Most girls would be pretty unattractive if they did that, is that sexist?
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    (Original post by Classical Liberal)
    What if you shaved off the hair on your head?

    Most girls would be pretty unattractive if they did that, is that sexist?
    Well I don't know about most girls, but I'm going to look awesome :cool:

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