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    Sounds a good idea - I'm all for complete freedom across borders provided you don't get the same services or benefits as citizens until you've paid in for a while.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    I don't think this policy will prove to be enforcable for the majority of people.
    What about migrant families from countries ripped apart by war.
    The children are the people who will be affected by this policy. Families are already being detained in Harmonsworth etc.
    If seems unfair to the ordinary UK citizen (waiting for housing), but this policy could violate the rights of the child.
    many families come to the UK following relatives who are already installed.
    If we want to stop migration we should use border control, but I think this is against EU policy
    These people are asylum seekers - and thus very different to economic migrants, the latter of whom are predominantly young, male, risk-taking and self-selecting.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    These people are asylum seekers - and thus very different to economic migrants, the latter of whom are predominantly young, male, risk-taking and self-selecting.
    You can be assured that the Borders Agency will not make that differentiation. Once we have a Policy such as this it will be applied to all.
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    (Original post by effofex)
    Won't really be a major issue since most migrants are not part of 'families'. This is not the 19th century any more. The migrant population is dominated by flexible young men who are quite able to rent in the private sector.

    I doubt they would wish to be housed in some rural backwater away from where all the economic action is anyway.
    Do you have any data to back up this claim?
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    But not on our patch of land.
    Why is it 'ours'? Why are Glasgow or London 'my' land when I was born in
    Leeds, hundreds of miles from either of them?

    If we just open our doors to the whole world, this country would fall apart.
    That's an argument that it's the lesser evil, not that it isn't discrimination.

    And the UK has 'opened its doors to the whole world' for most of its history - the first immigration restrictions came in after WW1.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Why is it 'ours'? Why are Glasgow or London 'my' land when I was born in
    Leeds, hundreds of miles from either of them?



    That's an argument that it's the lesser evil, not that it isn't discrimination.

    And the UK has 'opened its doors to the whole world' for most of its history - the first immigration restrictions came in after WW1.

    We live in a country with boarders and laws. You can not let anyone come here and flout them as you seem to advocate.

    We only have a finite amount of space and resources, and we don't have enough to give to anyone who comes here.
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    (Original post by CRIKEY12)
    You can be assured that the Borders Agency will not make that differentiation. Once we have a Policy such as this it will be applied to all.
    I'm fairly sure an application for asylum is very different from an application for visa sponsorship.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    We live in a country with boarders and laws. You can not let anyone come here and flout them as you seem to advocate.
    Who said anything about breaking laws?

    We only have a finite amount of space and resources, and we don't have enough to give to anyone who comes here.
    I'll say it again: that's an argument that it's the lesser evil, not that it isn't discrimination.

    And included in it is the assumption that we can't kick out British born people who are a waste of resources.
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    (Original post by Aramiss18)
    Do you have any data to back up this claim?
    Not as yet. But on a global level most migrants are young childless men. Surely it's obvious - they are the most risk-taking and mobile demographic, unlike say, pregnant women. Young, mobile, childless men are hardly a priority when it comes to any council housing shortlist. They are also more likely to be able to minimize their personal expenditures compared to any other demographic (less money spent on medication, no money on childcare etc.) - thus more likely to be able to afford to rent in the private sector.

    Furthermore the industries that are truly international (finance, engineering, IT, etc.) tend to be male-dominated.

    E.g., it is more than possible to go from being a software developer in India to being a software developer in France than it is to go from being a family lawyer in the UK to a family lawyer in France (in the latter case you would need to switch to full fluency in a different language and have full knowledge of a civil law code rather than a common law code). And as an example the legal profession is far less male-dominated than the three I mentioned before.
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    (Original post by dj1015)
    We live in a country with boarders and laws. You can not let anyone come here and flout them as you seem to advocate.

    We only have a finite amount of space and resources, and we don't have enough to give to anyone who comes here.
    Increasingly it is the market that is the arbiter of this rather than national governments.
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    (Original post by Aramiss18)
    Do you have any data to back up this claim?
    http://cep.lse.ac.uk/pubs/download/pa014.pdf

    http://www.interexchange.org/working...nal-experience

    In the latter article, note 'men secure more positions abroad than women by a ratio of four to one'.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    It's discrimination against immigrants, i.e. those who by luck were born on a different patch of land. In fact, that's the point of it.
    .. so? It won't stop those who can come here to contribute

    (Original post by Dapperatchik)
    Fixed.
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
    .. so? It won't stop those who can come here to contribute
    If you have to contribute to live here, why can't we kick out all the British-born people who don't contribute?
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    (Original post by Skip_Snip)
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    If we restrict their benefit eligibility and have other restrictions such as entry fees that benefit natives, then who loses out from higher immigration?
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    Some say the councils already have the power to enforce this. Why aren't they doing it?
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    (Original post by noneofthemknew)
    Well according to the article itself only 9% of new lettings go to foreign nationals (this document gives 8% for all social housing) when they make up 12% of the UK population, so if we go by this alone than immigrants are actually less likely than British nationals to apply for council housing anyway. So other than placating tabloid hysteria, I don't really see what the point in this proposal actually is.

    Also when discussing a shortage of council housing for British people, it's interesting to note that the 308,000 homes occupied by foreign nationals pale in comparison to the 1.2 million sold off to the private sector in the past 10 years.
    Thank you for highlighting the ACTUAL problem with council housing - they're all being sold off for a quick buck. Students would benefit immensely as well if public sector regulated alot more letting
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    Seems like an OK idea, but it may be better to have the housing list be in the order of something like vulnerable British citizens, vulnerable foreign citizens (like refugees), low-income British citizens, low-income foreign citizens, British citizens, foreign citizens than have families to wait for two years.
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    This is just a publicity stunt really to make up the houses being sold off by tapping into anti immigration feelings. Not got anything to say one way or the other, but just thought it interesting to look at the real motivations behind this.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Thank you for highlighting the ACTUAL problem with council housing - they're all being sold off for a quick buck. Students would benefit immensely as well if public sector regulated alot more letting
    You're welcome. The chronic shortage of good quality housing, both social and private, in the UK is a big and complex problem to which immigration is but a relatively small contributor.
 
 
 
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