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    (Original post by LewisG123)
    I think people choose to remember Churchill as a hero without knowing too much.
    Ahh, that great British leader that is Churchill. The man was abhorrent, and the sooner people realise that the better.

    Churchill's attitude was quite explicitly racist. He told Amery, "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion." On another occasion he insisted that they were "the beastliest people in the world next to the Germans". Amery was bemused by his "curious hatred of India" and concluded that he was "really not quite normal on the subject". Indeed, Amery was not sure "whether on this subject of India he is really quite sane". Provoked beyond endurance by Churchill's bigotry, Amery, on one occasion, said, "I didn't see much difference between his outlook and Hitler's". Amery, it is worth reminding the reader, was not a liberal or progressive, but a hard nosed right wing imperialist. And it was not just to Amery that Churchill made his feelings clear. In February 1945 he told his personal secretary, John Colville, that "the Hindu's were a foul race... and he wished Bert Harris could send some of his surplus bombers to destroy them". Somewhat predictably, Churchill's part in the failure of famine relief in Bengal, one of the great crimes of the war, is not something that his innumerable biographers have been concerned to explore. This really is quite disgraceful. Let us leave the last word on Churchill with N B Bonarjee, the district magistrate who had loyally helped supress the Quit India revolt. In his memoirs he writes bitterly of how in the Victory broadcast of 13 May 1945 Churchill had thanked Australia, Canada and New Zealand for their contribution to the war effort, but could not bring himself to mention India "although she provided more in men and material than the rest put together"
    The Blood Never Dried: A People's History of the British Empire, John Newsinger, Pages 158 - 159
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    (Original post by Edis)
    Definitly it is Muhammad prophet.
    It's a bit dismissive to say its "definitely" anyone


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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    Ahh, that great British leader that is Churchill. The man was abhorrent, and the sooner people realise that the better.



    The Blood Never Dried: A People's History of the British Empire, John Newsinger, Pages 158 - 159
    In case you misinterpreted what I meant I wasn't saying Churchill was great at all, I think his legacy comes from his circumstances. It amazes me he's supposedly the greatest person this country has produced


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    (Original post by IAmThatcher)
    Margaret Thatcher
    SURELY even a Thatcherite would concede that there have been greater people than Thatcher? I'm a fan of Clement Attlee but I don't see him as a hero, just good at his job.

    Anyway I guess I'd go for Gandhi, or Einstein. However I wouldn't want to idolise them, these people always have flaws, look at Mother Teresa for example. And didn't Gandhi sleep with virgins in his bed?
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    (Original post by LewisG123)
    In case you misinterpreted what I meant I wasn't saying Churchill was great at all, I think his legacy comes from his circumstances. It amazes me he's supposedly the greatest person this country has produced
    I know what you meant. I posted the quote to back up your point that he isn't the greatest person that has come from this country. The opening to my post was supposed to be taken with a touch of sarcasm for those that think he's brilliant.
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    Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    I was wondering what peoples view on the greatest person that has ever lived in the whole of Human History....Mine is personally Leonardo Da Vinci for being the greatest, most genius person to walk on this earth


    And Cromwell
    Cromwell was a scumbag. :confused:
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    I was wondering what peoples view on the greatest person that has ever lived in the whole of Human History....Mine is personally Leonardo Da Vinci for being the greatest, most genius person to walk on this earth


    And Cromwell
    Edward Jenner has saved the most lives, so I'd say Jenner.

    George Orwell is a hero of mine. His contributions to literature and left-wing thinking are wonderful.
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    (Original post by MagicNMedicine)


    Haters gonna hate.
    Pre-Iraq war he was our greatest ever PM. Post-Iraq, he's arguably a war criminal. In his defense, it is not his fault that we are the 51st state of the US and whatever our superiors over the pond tell us to. Could Blair have prevented the war? I'm not sure he could have.
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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    I know what you meant. I posted the quote to back up your point that he isn't the greatest person that has come from this country. The opening to my post was supposed to be taken with a touch of sarcasm for those that think he's brilliant.
    Good glad you didn't get the wrong end of the stick on that


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    (Original post by LewisG123)
    It's medically extinct


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    Once again no it's not. Unless you mean in its naturally occurring form in the wild as it were. As both the Americans and especially the Russians maintain stockpiles of it.
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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    Ahh, that great British leader that is Churchill. The man was abhorrent, and the sooner people realise that the better.



    The Blood Never Dried: A People's History of the British Empire, John Newsinger, Pages 158 - 159
    It's all very well to judge a dead man isn't it. What you're forgetting is it was quite the norm back then and perfectly acceptable to think like that, many would probably call you a filthy frothing socialist back then to boot... The fact that you'd slander the man who helped save the empire in its darkest day when he's dead is quite pathetic really. Respect the dead, especially those who without you almost certainly wouldn't be alive. And besides his beliefs weren't even especially bad for the age.
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    (Original post by 321zero)
    Pre-Iraq war he was our greatest ever PM. Post-Iraq, he's arguably a war criminal. In his defense, it is not his fault that we are the 51st state of the US and whatever our superiors over the pond tell us to. Could Blair have prevented the war? I'm not sure he could have.
    Whatever the rights and wrongs of the war I don't believe that Blair was just a weak poodle of the USA that went to war because they told him to. Blair was driving the agenda to go to war, just like he did in Kosovo when the Americans were against it. Not saying Bush was averse to the idea, but Blair wanted to remove Saddam whether the US were keen or not.
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    Charles Darwin.


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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    It's all very well to judge a dead man isn't it. What you're forgetting is it was quite the norm back then and perfectly acceptable to think like that, many would probably call you a filthy frothing socialist back then to boot... The fact that you'd slander the man who helped save the empire in its darkest day when he's dead is quite pathetic really. Respect the dead, especially those who without you almost certainly wouldn't be alive. And besides his beliefs weren't even especially bad for the age.
    OK then, we can apply that logic to everyone. Hitler? Nah! Leave him alone you nasty piece of work. Facism was the norm in Germany during the 1930's. Stalin, you say? Who gives a crap about his mass slaughters; he's only doing what those before him did (The British Empire falls into that category, funnily enough). Presumably if you think someone's bad, no one can launch a defence of them because they'd be judging a dead person?

    Feel free to live in your fantasy bubble land where what you're spoon fed at Primary school is the gospel truth, but I think you'll find that uncovering famous people's true characters goes a long way in changing the national idendity.
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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    OK then, we can apply that logic to everyone. Hitler? Nah! Leave him alone you nasty piece of work. Facism was the norm in Germany during the 1930's. Stalin, you say? Who gives a crap about his mass slaughters; he's only doing what those before him did (The British Empire falls into that category, funnily enough). Presumably if you think someone's bad, no one can launch a defence of them because they'd be judging a dead person?

    Feel free to live in your fantasy bubble land where what you're spoon fed at Primary school is the gospel truth, but I think you'll find that uncovering famous people's true characters goes a long way in changing the national idendity.
    Thank you for saving me from having to type that


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    In all honesty, I would say it was Issac Newton.

    He allowed the industrial revolution to happen when it did, his equations of motions still make it possible for the complex machinery to operate so smoothly up to this present day.

    Long live Issac!
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    For me it has to be one of:

    Edwin Hubble
    Nicola Tesla
    Democritus

    I'm not sure which one though... :holmes:
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    (Original post by madfish)
    In all honesty, I would say it was Issac Newton.

    He allowed the industrial revolution to happen when it did, his equations of motions still make it possible for the complex machinery to operate so smoothly up to this present day.

    Long live Issac!
    Finally! Someone agrees! I posted that last night!


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