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    Is there proof Muhammed existed? Not hating, genuinely curious
    From a pure secular and non-religious perspective, there is not a single doubt Muhammed pbuh existed. There is concrete, irrefutable evidence of this from thorough historical evidence. We know almost every detail of Muhammed pbuh's life.

    Nepolean Bonaparte – Quoted in Christian Cherfils BONAPARTE ET ISLAM (PARIS 1914)
    “I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”


    M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924
    I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924



    Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:
    If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
    "Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

    Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54:
    It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

    Rev. Bosworth Smith, Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92:
    He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."


    Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4:
    "It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."


    Montgomery Watt, Mohammad at Mecca, Oxford 1953, p. 52:
    "His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad."



    James A. Michener, 'Islam: The Misunderstood Religion' in Reader's Digest (American Edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70:"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five, his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband.
    "Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."
    "In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'
    "At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"



    Sarojini Naidu, the famous Indian poetess says – S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, Speeches and Writings, Madaras, 1918
    “It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... “



    Thomas Caryle – Heros and Heros Worship
    "how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades?”
    “…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so."


    Stanley Lane-Poole – Table Talk of the Prophet
    He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...”



    George Bernard Shaw - The Genuine Islam Vol.No.8, 1936.
    I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.
    I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.
    I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”
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    (Original post by MENDACIUM)
    From a pure secular and non-religious perspective, there is not a single doubt Muhammed pbuh existed. There is concrete, irrefutable evidence of this from thorough historical evidence. We know almost every detail of Muhammed pbuh's life.

    Nepolean Bonaparte – Quoted in Christian Cherfils BONAPARTE ET ISLAM (PARIS 1914)
    “I hope the time is not far off when I shall be able to unite all the wise and educated men of all the countries and establish a uniform regime based on the principles of Qur'an which alone are true and which alone can lead men to happiness.”


    M.K.Gandhi, YOUNG INDIA, 1924
    I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble." YOUNG INDIA, 1924



    Lamartine - Histoire de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol II, pp. 276-77:
    If greatness of purpose, smallness of means, and astounding results are the three criteria of human genius, who could dare to compare any great man in modern history with Muhammad? The most famous men created arms, laws and empires only. They founded, if anything at all, no more than material powers which often crumbled away before their eyes. This man moved not only armies, legislations, empires, peoples and dynasties, but millions of men in one-third of the then inhabited world; and more than that, he moved the altars, the gods, the religions, the ideas, the beliefs and souls... the forbearance in victory, his ambition, which was entirely devoted to one idea and in no manner striving for an empire; his endless prayers, his mystic conversations with God, his death and his triumph after death; all these attest not to an imposture but to a firm conviction which gave him the power to restore a dogma. This dogma was twofold, the unit of God and the immateriality of God; the former telling what God is, the latter telling what God is not; the one overthrowing false gods with the sword, the other starting an idea with words.
    "Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

    Edward Gibbon and Simon Ocklay - History of the Saracen Empire, London, 1870, p. 54:
    It is not the propagation but the permanency of his religion that deserves our wonder, the same pure and perfect impression which he engraved at Mecca and Medina is preserved, after the revolutions of twelve centuries by the Indian, the African and the Turkish proselytes of the Koran...The Mahometans have uniformly withstood the temptation of reducing the object of their faith and devotion to a level with the senses and imagination of man. 'I believe in One God and Mahomet the Apostle of God', is the simple and invariable profession of Islam. The intellectual image of the Deity has never been degraded by any visible idol; the honors of the prophet have never transgressed the measure of human virtue, and his living precepts have restrained the gratitude of his disciples within the bounds of reason and religion."

    Rev. Bosworth Smith, Mohammed and Mohammadanism, London 1874, p. 92:
    He was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without Pope's pretensions, Caesar without the legions of Caesar: without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue; if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by the right divine, it was Mohammed, for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports."


    Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p. 4:
    "It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."


    Montgomery Watt, Mohammad at Mecca, Oxford 1953, p. 52:
    "His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad."



    James A. Michener, 'Islam: The Misunderstood Religion' in Reader's Digest (American Edition), May 1955, pp. 68-70:"Muhammad, the inspired man who founded Islam, was born about A.D. 570 into an Arabian tribe that worshipped idols. Orphaned at birth, he was always particularly solicitous of the poor and needy, the widow and the orphan, the slave and the downtrodden. At twenty he was already a successful businessman, and soon became director of camel caravans for a wealthy widow. When he reached twenty-five, his employer, recognizing his merit, proposed marriage. Even though she was fifteen years older, he married her, and as long as she lived, remained a devoted husband.
    "Like almost every major prophet before him, Muhammad fought shy of serving as the transmitter of God's word, sensing his own inadequacy. But the angel commanded 'Read'. So far as we know, Muhammad was unable to read or write, but he began to dictate those inspired words which would soon revolutionize a large segment of the earth: "There is one God."
    "In all things Muhammad was profoundly practical. When his beloved son Ibrahim died, an eclipse occurred, and rumors of God's personal condolence quickly arose. Whereupon Muhammad is said to have announced, 'An eclipse is a phenomenon of nature. It is foolish to attribute such things to the death or birth of a human-being.'
    "At Muhammad's own death an attempt was made to deify him, but the man who was to become his administrative successor killed the hysteria with one of the noblest speeches in religious history: 'If there are any among you who worshipped Muhammad, he is dead. But if it is God you worshipped, He lives forever.'"



    Sarojini Naidu, the famous Indian poetess says – S. Naidu, Ideals of Islam, Speeches and Writings, Madaras, 1918
    “It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... “



    Thomas Caryle – Heros and Heros Worship
    "how one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades?”
    “…The lies (Western slander) which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man (Muhammed) are disgraceful to ourselves only…How one man single-handedly, could weld warring tribes and wandering Bedouins into a most powerful and civilized nation in less than two decades….A silent great soul, one of that who cannot but be earnest. He was to kindle the world; the world’s Maker had ordered so."


    Stanley Lane-Poole – Table Talk of the Prophet
    He was the most faithful protector of those he protected, the sweetest and most agreeable in conversation. Those who saw him were suddenly filled with reverence; those who came near him loved him; they who described him would say, "I have never seen his like either before or after." He was of great taciturnity, but when he spoke it was with emphasis and deliberation, and no one could forget what he said...”



    George Bernard Shaw - The Genuine Islam Vol.No.8, 1936.
    I believe if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring much needed peace and happiness.
    I have studied him - the man and in my opinion is far from being an anti–Christ. He must be called the Savior of Humanity.
    I have prophesied about the faith of Mohammad that it would be acceptable the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”
    Wht you have quote are from the 20th C.....is there any from the 7th (apart from religous books) that actually account for him?
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    I'd say Jesus, but as he was the Messiah and Son of God does that make him entirely "human", in the mortal sense?

    Otherwise, my vote would go for Aneurin Bevan or Michael Phelps. That guy's pretty quick.


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    But you praised his impact, his impact hasn't been completely positive at all. No one goes out and steals in the name of Alexander the Great or Charles Darwin


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    I meant the impact as in he's still believed in and followed by so many people to this day. What the Christian Church does as a whole cant really be blamed on Jesus!

    And anyway, most of the greats will have had some negative impact in some shape of form....
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    (Original post by Harrow.7)
    Wht you have quote are from the 20th C.....is there any from the 7th (apart from religous books) that actually account for him?
    All these quotes are from the recent to past few hundred years. These historians have obtained information through looking at empirical history. But, here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhamma...ammad.27s_life
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    To add, there are historical and concrete evidences of peace treaties, of wars, of diplomacy and politics, of law, of justice, of religion ect. It's all pretty concrete even if we take-away religion. If we look at Hadith on top of all of this, i.e narrations by human beings about Muhammed pbuh, there are COUNTLESS thousands, if not hundreds of thousands? or close to that or above, of narrations - historical witnesses. There are also letters Muhammed pbuh wrote to political leaders across the world.
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    I don't have heroes, everyone has their own agenda.

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    I meant the impact as in he's still believed in and followed by so many people to this day. What the Christian Church does as a whole cant really be blamed on Jesus!

    And anyway, most of the greats will have had some negative impact in some shape of form....
    He isn't followed, the Christian faith is followed. Maybe the whole religions actions can't be blamed him but the origin of the religion can be



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    I meant the impact as in he's still believed in and followed by so many people to this day. What the Christian Church does as a whole cant really be blamed on Jesus!

    And anyway, most of the greats will have had some negative impact in some shape of form....
    From a historical perspective, it is arguable whether or not some of the teachings found today are from Jesus pbuh. I have no doubts he existed, nor do I have doubts he preached purity, selflessness, and taught those around him on how to be good humans individually, and collectively in view of society. However, i think many of his teachings have been distorted across the pages of time, or invented.
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    I also think that Hippocrates should be mentioned. He did practically kick start natural medicine. It's only a shame that supernatural medicinal ideas took over for a while.


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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    OK then, we can apply that logic to everyone. Hitler? Nah! Leave him alone you nasty piece of work. Facism was the norm in Germany during the 1930's. Stalin, you say? Who gives a crap about his mass slaughters; he's only doing what those before him did (The British Empire falls into that category, funnily enough). Presumably if you think someone's bad, no one can launch a defence of them because they'd be judging a dead person?

    Feel free to live in your fantasy bubble land where what you're spoon fed at Primary school is the gospel truth, but I think you'll find that uncovering famous people's true characters goes a long way in changing the national idendity.
    Oh please what a pathetic retort, he is not even comparable to hitler.
    The rest of your post doesn't really merit a reply as it appears to be little more than waffling about primary school?
    Either way thanks for the neg have one back
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Oh please what a pathetic retort, he is not even comparable to hitler.
    The rest of your post doesn't really merit a reply as it appears to be little more than waffling about primary school?
    Either way thanks for the neg have one back
    He didn't say they were comparable people, he applied your principle to other people. To say that he shouldn't be scrutinised because he's dead is ridiculous


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    He didn't say they were comparable people, he applied your principle to other people. To say that he shouldn't be scrutinised because he's dead is ridiculous


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    Essentially comparing the two, and the fact it was hitler if all people was just laughable... Godwin's law incarnate.
    Not especially, to scrutinise sure but he wasn't as such scrutinising him as slamming him.
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    I am suprised no one has mentioned Shakespeare, Homer or even Darwin?? Martin Luther King Jr. (the African American not british), Thomas Edison....? Gandhi, Marie Curie, not forgetting James Watt, the Wright Brother, Newton?

    Check out the Wiki page:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100...ons_in_History

    apparently Muhammad beat Jesus!
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    (Original post by LewisG123)
    He isn't followed, the Christian faith is followed. Maybe the whole religions actions can't be blamed him but the origin of the religion can be



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    Oh believe me, some people do follow Jesus and live their entire lives for him without being necessarily restricted to Christianity as an organised religion per say.

    Yes he can be blamed for the origin of religion, which isnt a bad thing. The religion then was distorted, you cant blame him for that.

    That's like blaming the fact that thousands of people a year are burnt by acid on the person who discovered acid. It's illogical.
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Oh please what a pathetic retort, he is not even comparable to hitler and the fact you think so just shows what a moron you are.
    The rest of your post doesn't really merit a reply as it appears to be little more than waffling about primary school?
    Either way thanks for the neg have one back
    I'm a moron, am I? Nice ad hom. I could say you're a tit for negging me because I negged you. Lucky for me, I don't care what my Rep status is, so congratulations on making yourself look petty and childish.

    (Original post by cl_steele)
    Essentially comparing the two, and the fact it was hitler if all people was just laughable... Godwin's law incarnate.
    Not especially, to scrutinise sure but he wasn't as such scrutinising him as slamming him.
    Using Hitler as an example does not invalidate my argument whatsoever. You've provided nothing to counter my reasoning except saying that Hitler isn't comparable. Why isn't he comparable? If you don't want to argue against Hitler, at least do so against my other example. The actual reasoning I chose Hitler as an example was because of the quote I used earlier in this topic. You probably didn't read it though, judging by your ridiculous reaction to that post.

    Why can't I go about "slamming" Churchill? If you're not prepared to provide anything to suggest why he was a nice person, please stop posting. Give the evidence, and I'd happily retract my statement that he was an unpleasant person.
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    I'm not religious, but Jesus. Evidently he's impacted on the world by the greatest extent
    Having an impact doesn't make a person great. I hate to make Godwin's Law violations, but Hitler had quite a big impact, yet noone in the right mind would consider him great.

    Don't get me wrong, from what I've heard at least, Jesus was quite a great man, however, the fact that he had an impact is not the reason why he was great - rather the things he taught.
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    (Original post by Angry Spartan)
    I'm a moron, am I? Nice ad hom. I could say you're a tit for negging me because I negged you. Lucky for me, I don't care what my Rep status is, so congratulations on making yourself look petty and childish.
    I'm sure you could, unfortunately you can't see te **** I could not give though...



    Using Hitler as an example does not invalidate my argument whatsoever. You've provided nothing to counter my reasoning except saying that Hitler isn't comparable. Why isn't he comparable? If you don't want to argue against Hitler, at least do so against my other example. The actual reasoning I chose Hitler as an example was because of the quote I used earlier in this topic. You probably didn't read it though, judging by your ridiculous reaction to that post.
    Well shall we start with Churchill didn't committ genocide on a trully biblical scale and plunge the world into the third world war...? True, I did pay little attention to your quote mainly due to its irrelence why should I care about the opinion of one sordid historian? There's plenty out there who say hitler was a grossly misunderstood fellow and the holocaust never happened, should we listen I them to?

    Why can't I go about "slamming" Churchill? If you're not prepared to provide anything to suggest why he was a nice person, please stop posting. Give the evidence, and I'd happily retract my statement that he was an unpleasant person.
    I never said he was a nice person? Thus I have no need to back up anything I said as all I did was lay into your attack on him. Besides my original remark stands why bash the person whom without there's a enter than good chance your family would have been slaughtered like cattle?
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    Genghis Khan- literally the ultimate rags to riches story. Founder of second biggest empire in the world.
 
 
 
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