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    So I have a problem.

    Im, putting it glibly, a leftist, I'm also opposed to blatant repression of women in our society, and I don't think environment is given enough priority. People often tell me when I ask them which party suits me, labour is where I should go.

    But frankly, I cannot stand the party's Pro EU agenda. Also because of a lack of green credentials, but I digress.

    Allow me to elaborate; the right often sees the EU as some big leftist monster which wants to go all animal farm on the citizens of Europe.

    But for me, I look at the EU, how it looks, how it acts, how it sees itself, and it looks like Marx's worst nightmare.

    It's led by a cabal of rich and powerful men who subvert democracy to keep themselves on the top and oppress the people on the bottom of society, sacrificing quality of life for interest rates and creditors. Only the biggest counties have a real say in the EU's policy, they say jump, the EU says how high and Britain just stands around. Just look at Greece, look at Cyprus or where a country becomes a so called liability to the EU. They roll in the metaphorical tanks and start telling them how they should run their affairs, more that that, they encourage to government to take the money from the people to sate the thirst of the European Central Bank.They actively encourage the cutting of the welfare state and mindless crippling austerity.

    Put simply, the EU is a system where the rich oppress the poor, and the strong rule over the weak.

    I find myself really out in the wilderness here, is there a party or even a group which I could relate with?

    It seems the "left" has slim pickings for eurosceptics.
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    The Green Party
    More left than Labour
    Seem to value equality and freedom
    Loads of environmental policies
    Support an EU Referendum, abolishment/reform of CAP and major reform of the EU
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    Why would Labour be where you should go? They are of the center now, not left.

    I agree with the above other than to say that the Greens are pro-EU however to match your european views with the others you'd be looking at the extremist left like the TUC.
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    The TUC are not extremist left. They are not a revolutionary organisation, they are a reformist one.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Why would Labour be where you should go? They are of the center now, not left.

    I agree with the above other than to say that the Greens are pro-EU however to match your european views with the others you'd be looking at the extremist left like the TUC.
    Labour is on the right near the Tories, they've moved a lot since the 80's.
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    [email protected] Labour is where I should go. Labour are not on the left.

    Anyway, ignoring that.

    The savers in the Cypriot banks would have lost their money anyway. So they had the option of losing some of their money or losing virtually all of it.

    Your ideology provides zero for them.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    [email protected] Labour is where I should go. Labour are not on the left.

    Anyway, ignoring that.

    The savers in the Cypriot banks would have lost their money anyway. So they had the option of losing some of their money or losing virtually all of it.

    Your ideology provides zero for them.
    It all boils down to whether the EU have enough capital to bail out Cyprus, and they had more than enough to do so without infringing the safety of people's savings. The levy on bankers deposits is a bloody cheek, and if your false dilemma is the only argument it had going for it, then we've got a real danger that they were simply testing the waters.
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    (Original post by HK95)
    Allow me to elaborate; the right often sees the EU as some big leftist monster which wants to go all animal farm on the citizens of Europe.

    But for me, I look at the EU, how it looks, how it acts, how it sees itself, and it looks like Marx's worst nightmare.

    It's led by a cabal of rich and powerful men who subvert democracy to keep themselves on the top and oppress the people on the bottom of society . . .
    That is Animal Farm.
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    (Original post by Unkempt_One)
    It all boils down to whether the EU have enough capital to bail out Cyprus, and they had more than enough to do so without infringing the safety of people's savings. The levy on bankers deposits is a bloody cheek, and if your false dilemma is the only argument it had going for it, then we've got a real danger that they were simply testing the waters.
    It doesn't boil down to that.

    It boils down to the German Taxpayer. That is why the Cyprus bailout emerged exactly the way it did and that is exactly the way is going to continue to happen in any future bailout.
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    Depends how left you are. If you're looking for a relatively 'mainstream' group then the Greens are pretty much your only option. If you're more radical, then you're looking at Marxist and anarchist groups.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    [email protected] Labour is where I should go. Labour are not on the left.

    Anyway, ignoring that.

    The savers in the Cypriot banks would have lost their money anyway. So they had the option of losing some of their money or losing virtually all of it.

    Your ideology provides zero for them.
    Savers above £100k, it's wrong but lets not think that anybody will be destitute because of this.
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    The problem is that while the EU project has always had potential to serve leftist agendas it has all too obviously become an instrument of the capitalist class (this shouldn't be too surprising given that it has been generated in the era of capitalism). In the longer term, and speaking as a socialist, I support the move away from narrowly national, and too easily nationalistic, social and economic competition. Otherwise, it's true, capitalist agendas have quickly come to dominate what the EU is 'about'.
 
 
 
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