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    Basically i was with a friend and we were looking up some figures for dentist earnings and we ran into this site: http://www.ic.nhs.uk/catalogue/PUB07124

    Now im sure im reading it wrong but it says the average taxable nhs AND PRIVATE earning is around £62,900 for associate dentist. I was a bit taken back by this as i was always lead to believe it was around the 100k-110k mark? At first i thought the figures simply represented the average for all dentists both part-time and full time but reading the full report, it says dentists who worked >45 hours a week had a earning of £75,200?? Is there any dentist that can confirm this? If not could they lead me to some accurate figures coz this site looks dodgy to me
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    What do you guys think?
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    The average earning of a dentist is about £65,000, I don't know who told you it was 110k. I've been told that only the very highest earning dentists make six figure salaries. However I would really like some figures on the wages of dental specialists, such as Endodontists and Orthodontists.
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    (Original post by Heizenburg)
    The average earning of a dentist is about £65,000, I don't know who told you it was 110k. I've been told that only the very highest earning dentists make six figure salaries. However I would really like some figures on the wages of dental specialists, such as Endodontists and Orthodontists.
    Thanks for your response Heizenburg!...So why do people claim dentists are so rich??..Soooo many people do dentistry for the money
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Thanks for your response Heizenburg!...So why do people claim dentists are so rich??..Soooo many people do dentistry for the money

    From an outsiders perspective it doesn't seem to be the most desirable of jobs, sticking your fingers into peoples mouths and poking around against ulcers just doesn't appeal perhaps. If people over hype the money it might get more people into what otherwise would have been an under subscribed industry.
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    (Original post by Dr DaMan)
    From an outsiders perspective it doesn't seem to be the most desirable of jobs, sticking your fingers into peoples mouths and poking around against ulcers just doesn't appeal perhaps. If people over hype the money it might get more people into what otherwise would have been an under subscribed industry.
    I see where you're coming from Dr DaMan but if you are right, i don't see how people can remain oblivious to the earning in dentistry for soo long. If you over hype the money, for a couple of years people will think the money is very high in dentistry but eventually the truth will come out and less and less people will think dentistry is very well paid.

    I mean i didn't have to go through some Da Vinci code secret to find the figures i stated above, its just on a website. So this means people have seen the website and still believe dentistry has astronomical earnings. This can only mean the website above is wrong. Can anyone give more accurate figures??
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Thanks for your response Heizenburg!...So why do people claim dentists are so rich??..Soooo many people do dentistry for the money
    I think when people "do dentistry for the money", they're doing it not because they expect to be astronomically rich, but because they know they're never going to be in any financial difficulty. Even if a dentist isn't absolutely amazing at their job but is merely "adequate", they'll still earn a pretty high salary by most people's standards, and live a comfortable lifestyle. Also, it's relatively easy to walk into a job right after university if you have done dentistry, whereas with other degrees you might be waiting around for a long time before a job you actually want to do comes up. It's quite a safe option, financially speaking.

    Whereas in some other "doing it for the money" type jobs, it's possible to earn a lot more than a dentist ever would. But only if you're the best in the business, and make it into top managerial/executive positions. Whereas someone who is just adequate might earn a lower salary than a dentist of similar calibre.
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    (Original post by tazarooni89)
    I think when people "do dentistry for the money", they're doing it not because they expect to be astronomically rich, but because they know they're never going to be in any financial difficulty. Even if a dentist isn't absolutely amazing at their job but is merely "adequate", they'll still earn a pretty high salary by most people's standards, and live a comfortable lifestyle. Also, it's relatively easy to walk into a job right after university if you have done dentistry, whereas with other degrees you might be waiting around for a long time before a job you actually want to do comes up. It's quite a safe option, financially speaking.

    Whereas in some other "doing it for the money" type jobs, it's possible to earn a lot more than a dentist ever would. But only if you're the best in the business, and make it into top managerial/executive positions. Whereas someone who is just adequate might earn a lower salary than a dentist of similar calibre.
    Ahh i see...so are the figures right??
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    As a dentist myself I would say that's pretty accurate, although I only work part time.
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Ahh i see...so are the figures right??
    I don't know for sure - I'm not a dentist myself. I just know a lot of people wanting to do dentistry, and a lot of Asian parents wanting their kids to do dentistry.
    Although they don't seem outrageously far from what I would have expected.
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    Sorry guys, yes that is an accurate figure. But bear in mind that take home pay will be considerably less when you include elements such as tax, lab fees, pension, student loan etc.

    A lot of the rumours about dentistry being a high paying job comes from the 70/80s when it paid very very well. That was mainly because the NHS used to pay well and there were much fewer dentists around. The tables have turned completely.

    Also, please be aware that it is not anywhere near as easy to find jobs as before. Full time associate jobs are actually becoming pretty rare. A couple of days here, there etc. This means your income yo-yos and that could give you problems with cash flow and obtaining credit.

    Also, to earn that 60K you will have to work unbelievably hard.
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    (Original post by Magnanimity)
    As a dentist myself I would say that's pretty accurate, although I only work part time.
    Really appreciate the responses guys...just a question for you Maganimity, you say the figures are accurate but do you mean they are accurate for part time or full time work? i.e. are you saying the £62900 salary is typical for a PART TIME DENTIST?

    For example, the full report says dentists who worked >45 hours a week earnt £75000 from NHS AND private income. Is this really the case?? I have heard so many people say they have contracts for 70k or 90k for a 40 hour week so how can this be the case?
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Really appreciate the responses guys...just a question for you Maganimity, you say the figures are accurate but do you mean they are accurate for part time or full time work? i.e. are you saying the £62900 salary is typical for a PART TIME DENTIST?

    For example, the full report says dentists who worked >45 hours a week earnt £75000 from NHS AND private income. Is this really the case?? I have heard so many people say they have contracts for 70k or 90k for a 40 hour week so how can this be the case?
    No I would say that figure is pretty accurate for your average full time dentist.

    I can't speak for England, I have no experience of the system there but in Scotland you'd need to gross ~£11000 a month to make that salary and that is not easy.
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    Im sorry but i have never heard of a dentist working full time, 11 months a year, earning 63k INCLUDING private earnings. Perhaps the salary is lower in Scotland Magnanimity but in England, i've always heard a dentist working 40+ hours a week, 11 months a year and doing private dentistry to earn atleast 100k if not more
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Im sorry but i have never heard of a dentist working full time, 11 months a year, earning 63k INCLUDING private earnings. Perhaps the salary is lower in Scotland Magnanimity but in England, i've always heard a dentist working 40+ hours a week, 11 months a year and doing private dentistry to earn atleast 100k if not more
    The figures are available from the NHS health and social care information service..an official body. Seriously dude, you heard wrong. Who is more likely to know? Two dentists, one in Scotland and one in England or rumours from dental school/the media? I'm afraid the income is falling. The £100K figure is probably for a practice owner with people working for them. Let me say it to you straight- you can have a good career in dentistry, but do not expect to make a six figure salary. I would expect £40-50K/year before expenses when you start working as an associate circa 2017-18 under the new NHS contract. Private work? The NHS contact will involve seeing people for longer. You may not be able to have much time for private work. In addition, there's not much private work around.

    Btw, enjoy 2nd year. That was a nice easy year
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Im sorry but i have never heard of a dentist working full time, 11 months a year, earning 63k INCLUDING private earnings. Perhaps the salary is lower in Scotland Magnanimity but in England, i've always heard a dentist working 40+ hours a week, 11 months a year and doing private dentistry to earn atleast 100k if not more
    You've had two dentists living and working in the system confirm official nhs figures... If you think you're going to earn 100k as an associate you are not living in the real world, sorry. You will work damn hard for a decent/comfortable salary, that's the reality of dentistry. Also we are in the middle of a recession, people can't afford private dentistry like they used to. It forms about 1/3 of my income at the moment but some months I do a lot less.
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    (Original post by Mariobros)
    Thanks for your response Heizenburg!...So why do people claim dentists are so rich??..Soooo many people do dentistry for the money
    £65k is a very good wage, considering the national average is about £20-25 k ....
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    (Original post by anony.mouse)
    £65k is a very good wage, considering the average is about £20-25 k ....
    Exactly, and you will achieve that salary a lot quicker than in any other sector. You could be earning that after your vt year.
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    You're in 2nd year dentistry and you genuinely thought 100k+ for a full time dentist doing 45+ was standard?

    Nowhere close buddy, father is a dentistry and have quite a few relatives who earn nowhere near that mark. 60k is about right... You won't be getting that till you're working hard. It's not an easy career to be fair...




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    (Original post by Magnanimity)
    Exactly, and you will achieve that salary a lot quicker than in any other sector. You could be earning that after your vt year.
    Hold on... Do you mean you you can't earn that straight after vt?? Because that's understandable... How about 5-10 years into the job? Surely 90-100k is attainable in ur mid-30s right magnanimity?
 
 
 
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