Hunting:Your views?

I eat meat but I don't think killing animals purely for fun is justified. I don't see how anyone can take pleasure in ending a life :/

You eat meat for pleasure, don't you? It is possible for most people to live without meat, so the only reason they do it is because they like the taste. Is there any significant difference between gaining pleasure from directly killing an animal and getting pleasure from a dead animal's body that has been killed for you?

I eat meat because it's a natural part of the human diet and I was raised on it, I certainly wouldn't be able to go without it. I don't think it's justified to kill an animal just for the thrill of it, I think you have to be pretty sick in the head to actually ENJOY killing something.

Lol, you're not going to die, just keep trying. Are you actually proud that you managed to kill those animals in the OP, where they weren't trying to kill you and wouldn't be able to even if they tried? As for time, you're the one who chose to fly out to Africa.

If you think about it, the fox is actually killed in the most natural way, by what is essentially a predator. Many (possibly even most) wild animals are killed by other animals' teeth, so it's hardly extreme cruelty if a fox dies this way too. Also, it's a popular misconception that hunts consist entirely of the 'landed gentry' and snobby aristocrats. Most hunts are made up mainly of farmers and other ordinary people with horses, and titled people are a small minority, so it's hardly "toffy".

The OP stated he hunts mostly for fun, that is the clue. He has no respect for life at all,

Yes actually, it was a test of putting my skills of tracking and stealth against there exceedingly superior senses and ability to escape danger.

There is an added element of pride in helping maintain the ecosystem, protect crops and stop overpopulation in deer hunting.

And an oryx could kill me, quite easily, things are huge and vicious.

Says you wearing camouflage at night,

presumably with night vision,

hunting a deer. If you couldn't find one it'd either be bad luck or because you decided to fell a tree, not lack of skill.

Come on, that's not why you hunt, it's a possible justification you throw in when criticised.

As a percentage chance, what were your odds of surviving as soon as you came into proximity with the oryx, and what were the oryx's? Maybe not that oryx because it's definitely dead, but if you were to come within a couple of hundred metres of an oryx.

Nonsense, I have stated numerous times that I hold the Animal in the highest respect.

Daytime, night hunting is dull.
Only really done for culling

You find me a Night Vision Bow...I will divorce my wife and marry you

You obviously have no idea what it's like to stalk Deer then, some days you can search from dawn till dusk and not find a trail or a deer, some days you can search fourteen hours, find a pack but not have a deer worth killing.

Other days you can find seven packs, and be spotted seven times.
Thus individual skill, in tracking and stealth plays a vital role.

Then again sometimes you do step into the forest or plain, stumble on a deer or pack in an hour, see a prime kill , and down it first try.

I never said it was the reason I hunt, I just said it's one more thing I take pride in.

Id say I have a 60% chance of getting within shooting range with a Compound, I would say there is possible a 20-35% chance of me getting charged.

The odd's are in my favour certainly, I never said they weren't, just wanted to tell you an Oryx can be dangerous, when you said they can't be.

Didn't say they often were, just could be.

Reading man..reading.

I eat meat because it's a natural part of the human diet and I was raised on it, I certainly wouldn't be able to go without it. I don't think it's justified to kill an animal just for the thrill of it, I think you have to be pretty sick in the head to actually ENJOY killing something.

I would find it very difficult, if not impossible, to kill anything for fun.

From your photo it looked like night-time.

Did you use night vision, or a torch?

You've described luck here, not skill.

Oh, so you're just splitting hairs. The point is, the odds are so much in your favour it isn't actually an impressive achievement.

You may well believe that you do, however I said you have no respect for life, you kill for fun. To be blunt, you take a dirty great gun, or even crossbow,

and shoot the animal from some safe distance, whilst showing your obscene photo's to all, this makes you feel like a big man, a hero to your own perverse idea of FUN.

I understand what you are trying to say but when you refer to us as 'predators' you don't tend to find a lion on a horse chasing a gazelle or an eagle with a rifle hunting down a mouse. So therefore, it is not as natural as it may seem in basic concepts.

So tell me what traps would you prefer? foothold traps smash the foreleg of the animal (and can cause them to chew thier own leg off to escape)? wire snares which on larger animals garrote the foot (slowly) and on smaller animals which garrote the throat (slowly), Pit traps which just cause panic, or even better spike pit traps. Or snap traps where the animal is left dangling in mid air for maybe hours on end? Cage traps, where the animal will tear its skin and claws trying to escape? ALL methods of trapping cause stress and injury to animals

In a hunt with a rifle/bow the animal dies very quickly, if the shot doesnt kill then the vast majority of hunters will move in and put them out of the creature misery. Believe it or not, most hunters dont do it to torture the animal, they do it to kill. As cleanly as possible.

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Don't confuse a respect for life, with a respect for the Animal.

And as I have mentioned to other users, I am no Alpha Male, nor are most hunters, there is no Big Man syndrome involved, hunting does not make you hard, or manly, anymore than table-tennis or chess does.
Nor is such a desire a reason for why I hunt.

It's personal enjoyment and upon occasion part of a religious obligation, nothing more, nothing less.