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    Hi, I'm enquiring for a friend who plans to study architecture at UCL. Basically, he doesn't understand how getting a job as an architect works, and wants to earn an absolute minimum of 40k in the long run. After the 7 years taken to qualify, how do you ensure a job at a firm, and how do you earn a good amount of money? Thanks.


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    Open your open business. Offer competitive rates for your time and be in top 1% of architects. Hard but this is how people win.
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    Which countries are best?


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    Not sure you can ensure anything, that life I guess, if he can insure the 40k thing happens, particularly in architecture then he will be doing well. Particularly in a flat construction industry and a field currently overflowing with qualified applicants. Sometimes even if your the best you can get passed over for someone else for whatever reason, or perhaps for no particular reason. Maybe its just me but sometimes trying too hard may be counter productive perhaps. In any case not understanding the process seems a bit foolhardy, research what you want to do well I would say.
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    Ensure your mate lands a place with the most exploitative architecture practices in the country eg. Fosters, Zaha etc. and slave away for about 15-20 years post part 3.
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    Typically you really would need to work for perhaps 5-10 years post part 3 to go it alone and be taken seriously - clients want to see examples where you have been project architect for completed projects to gain reassurance. So your friend is probably looking at 7 years min to get Part 3 - more likely 8-10 years, then another 5 years to get up to being paid maybe £35K-38K. If he then left to start his own practice for a few years he would be on pretty much nothing as he built up his client base. It can pay well if you're lucky and talented, but seriously, if your friend needs to 'ensure' he is earning £40K he is better off looking at other industries.
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    (Original post by CommonNortherner)
    Which countries are best?


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    so, for after part 1 you get £15-20k
    part 2, £25kish at best
    part 3, £35k max

    I'd imagine about 3-5 years before you get £40k post part 3.

    This is pretty much the same in other countries. dubai/china's construction industry is still in need of architects. might be a more exciting place, with lower tax and diverse design opportunities.
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    (Original post by rizlaswan)
    so, for after part 1 you get £15-20k
    part 2, £25kish at best
    part 3, £35k max

    I'd imagine about 3-5 years before you get £40k post part 3.

    This is pretty much the same in other countries. dubai/china's construction industry is still in need of architects. might be a more exciting place, with lower tax and diverse design opportunities.
    If you're experienced then working in Dubai will pay very well, since they don't really have reputable architecture schools of their own. Plus it's tax-free, so as long as you don't develop cancer your expenditures are relatively low.

    If you're not qualified yet you'll get paid pretty low though, it's back to the whole "you're getting a great career boost here so you can work for zero" mentality - but you get some great project variety!
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    (Original post by Architecture-er)
    If you're experienced then working in Dubai will pay very well, since they don't really have reputable architecture schools of their own. Plus it's tax-free, so as long as you don't develop cancer your expenditures are relatively low.

    If you're not qualified yet you'll get paid pretty low though, it's back to the whole "you're getting a great career boost here so you can work for zero" mentality - but you get some great project variety!
    have you worked there?
    would love to know how one would apply to foreign firms!
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    (Original post by rizlaswan)
    have you worked there?
    would love to know how one would apply to foreign firms!
    Yeah I have

    Basically call up all the practices first, and try to speak to the HR managers. Remember that Dubai is 3/4 hours ahead, so if you want to start in the early morning you'll actually catch them at midday :lol:

    If you can't speak to them (most likely) then ask for the HR manager's direct email, and then send them your stuff! They'll want an emphasis on visual presentation and modelling rather than detailing and how clever your designs are, though it'll all help. You'll want to stress good AutoCAD/Sketchup/Revit (is getting important out there)/3DS Max skills, you'll be working as a cog, but a cog with good project exposure
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    Work hard and enjoy what you're doing, same as in any other profession.
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    (Original post by Architecture-er)
    Yeah I have

    Basically call up all the practices first, and try to speak to the HR managers. Remember that Dubai is 3/4 hours ahead, so if you want to start in the early morning you'll actually catch them at midday :lol:

    If you can't speak to them (most likely) then ask for the HR manager's direct email, and then send them your stuff! They'll want an emphasis on visual presentation and modelling rather than detailing and how clever your designs are, though it'll all help. You'll want to stress good AutoCAD/Sketchup/Revit (is getting important out there)/3DS Max skills, you'll be working as a cog, but a cog with good project exposure
    Do you know of any decent firms out in Dubai that might be worth a go, or any dubious ones to avoid?
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    (Original post by Stewie2011)
    Do you know of any decent firms out in Dubai that might be worth a go, or any dubious ones to avoid?
    Not really, some will be more established and some will be on their way out, but it see-saws up and down with each year.

    You should only be able to whip up around 20-30 practices anyway, including engineer firms with an architecture division (such as Atkins) - so I'd just try everywhere

    None will be nefarious, if that's your worry, though you may struggle to make a profit out of working there if you're not staying with friends or family
 
 
 
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