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    (Original post by DSCF0911.JPG)
    As basically everyone has already mentioned, there's no real need for cardio for weight loss, but if you want a healthy heart... :P

    Just rotate major muscle groups and aim for DOMS (a lot of people contest the fact that DOMS necessarily means a good work out, but it definitely is a sign to go by)
    If you get DOMS you need to fire whoever made your routine and get on a proper routine.
    OP, eat at maintenance calories, maybe slightly over. Start a full body routine 3x a week, the sports you play are enough cardio (not that you need any to lose weight).
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    (Original post by Sylosis)
    If you get DOMS you need to fire whoever made your routine and get on a proper routine.
    OP, eat at maintenance calories, maybe slightly over. Start a full body routine 3x a week, the sports you play are enough cardio (not that you need any to lose weight).
    Welcome Jason Blaha!

    I couldn't be bothered to get involved in the DOMS debate but if you have been training regularly and get proper DOMS -- you know that serious, debilitating soreness and aches that just won't let you move freely -- then your routine is messed up. No professional or amateur would get anywhere if they got regular DOMs. It's just silly. It hinders progress.
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    Welcome Jason Blaha!

    I couldn't be bothered to get involved in the DOMS debate but if you have been training regularly and get proper DOMS -- you know that serious, debilitating soreness and aches that just won't let you move freely -- then your routine is messed up. No professional or amateur would get anywhere if they got regular DOMs. It's just silly. It hinders progress.
    I don't agree, DOMS is pretty bad the first few times, but then you almost gain resistance, recovering faster, and that allows you to work harder and still recover from it.
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    (Original post by Hypocrism)
    I don't agree, DOMS is pretty bad the first few times, but then you almost gain resistance, recovering faster, and that allows you to work harder and still recover from it.
    So you agree then? It's not DOMs if you recover so fast that you don't get DOMs. huh? :confused:
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    So you agree then? It's not DOMs if you recover so fast that you don't get DOMs. huh? :confused:
    No, I mean that avoiding DOMS purposefully restricts your training.


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    (Original post by Hypocrism)
    No, I mean that avoiding DOMS purposefully restricts your training.


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    You won't get DOMs if you have a good program.
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    You won't get DOMs if you have a good program.
    you would when your a newbie, after a while your body gets used to removing the waste from your muscles faster so you wont get the pains, has nothing to do with the program mate.
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    Welcome Jason Blaha!

    I couldn't be bothered to get involved in the DOMS debate but if you have been training regularly and get proper DOMS -- you know that serious, debilitating soreness and aches that just won't let you move freely -- then your routine is messed up. No professional or amateur would get anywhere if they got regular DOMs. It's just silly. It hinders progress.
    Knew I'd get caught out one day... lol
    Good to see people preaching the truth on TSR. Majority of people posting info on here are worse than the kids back on the teenbodybuilding forums lol.
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    (Original post by fuze-mo25)
    you would when your a newbie, after a while your body gets used to removing the waste from your muscles faster so you wont get the pains, has nothing to do with the program mate.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMUxuopjK4

    This will clear up any confusion- also this channel is a go to for anything you need to know, seriously recommend checking it out.
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    (Original post by Sylosis)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkMUxuopjK4

    This will clear up any confusion- also this channel is a go to for anything you need to know, seriously recommend checking it out.
    yh i checked out the video and thats what i was saying. i said only newbies get it and jason said you should only get it when adapting to training.
    And yh jason is knowledgeable and i watch some of his vids, prefer elliott hulse tho but they both know there stuff
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    I wouldn't go as far as saying you shouldn't do any cardio for weight loss. Cardio keeps those fat burning pathways open, not to mention a healthy cardiovasulcar system which is arguably more important than being 'slim' anyway. But we live in a superficial society and people are generally stupid anyway, so yeah, do whatever...
    I love my cardio and I want those sexy fat burning pathways stay open :sexface:

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    (Original post by Sylosis)
    If you get DOMS you need to fire whoever made your routine and get on a proper routine.
    OP, eat at maintenance calories, maybe slightly over. Start a full body routine 3x a week, the sports you play are enough cardio (not that you need any to lose weight).
    Read my previous posts which have explained the reasoning and backed it up.
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    (Original post by DSCF0911.JPG)
    Read my previous posts which have explained the reasoning and backed it up.
    are you trolling?... I can't seriously can't tell
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    (Original post by silent ninja)
    You won't get DOMs if you have a good program.
    If you only ever workout up to the point where you will get DOMS, you are restricting your training because someone who got DOMS before and got used to getting rid of it will be able to train harder. Ultimately you want to push yourself to DOMS occasionally, for certain aims at least.


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    (Original post by Hypocrism)
    If you only ever workout up to the point where you will get DOMS, you are restricting your training because someone who got DOMS before and got used to getting rid of it will be able to train harder. Ultimately you want to push yourself to DOMS occasionally, for certain aims at least.


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    (Original post by Sylosis)
    I can't make sense of this post
    Are you being serious? It's not that difficult..


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    (Original post by USRaphael)
    So I'm overweight and want to lose weight, the thing is I hate cardio its boring. I can row for 20mins max and maybe 15more on the bike five times a week which I know isn't enough to lose serious weight (I'm eating healthily too and playing basketball and hockey three times a week). If I do this and weight lifting four times a week is it likely that I can lose weight despite spending more time lifting than cardio? I want to lose about 30lbs by August. To what extent does lifting help with weight loss?

    Sorry to sound like such a noob, I googled and found lifting helps burn more calories but I was wondering is it sufficient to lose quite a bit of weight without doing loads of cardio too?

    Thanks for any help!
    I would disagree with most people in this thread. For a start, muscle ways more than fat. So if you are turning a lot of fat into muscle then you will inevitably gain weight. Also, weights just builds muscle UNDERNEATH the fat. The cardio burns the fat and then lets the muscle appear. The ideal solution is to do both. If you can only do 20 mins rowing, the next day push yourself to do 21 minutes and build it from there! It is baby steps and dedication that makes this process!
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    (Original post by Hypocrism)
    Are you being serious? It's not that difficult..


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    soreness is a result of some kind of injury, or that you are not adapted to the type of training you're doing
    so again, why would you ever 'aim' to get doms?
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    (Original post by Sylosis)
    soreness is a result of some kind of injury, or that you are not adapted to the type of training you're doing
    so again, why would you ever 'aim' to get doms?
    The idea is that after you gain resistance to DOMS, ie you recover quickly or need a higher training load to get DOMS, you can train more without having long DOMS recovery periods. So you occasionally train past DOMS threshold to raise that threshold, and so allow yourself a higher training load in the future, since you can train more without getting DOMS.


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