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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Our Government has things like gifted and talented schemes in place to help the best of our students. So what if a poor kid cant hire additional help. tough that's life. In Britain's society so many kids take basic education for granted. The Kids that work hard through the educational system usually gets what coming to them.
    what schemes are these?
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    I sense jealousy and lots of it in this post.
    You do realise private schools being the charities that they are do do more than just let rich kiddie winks in right? Shall we start with the scholarships and bursarys to those who dont have enough to afford them, the community work they engage in and would you like me to carry on are you going to continue to froth that private schools are mean and nasty and not fair? Because i feel we should remember a very important lesson for life here; life isnt fair never has it been and never shall it be... best to accept that now to avoid future disappointment.
    Just because they do community work does not make them fair. It's still giving children who haven't done anything to deserve it more of a chance to succeed than others.

    I don't believe in banning private schools. I believe in improving state education.
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    (Original post by deedee123)
    do you not agree that it is the government who should be improving state education rather than directing all the hate at people who are privately educated and trying to bring them down into the dumps with us?

    apologises if this has already been addressed, couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread
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    to be fair, think of the pressure on state education if we were to take them all out and put them into mainstream school.
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    (Original post by roh)
    Most of them are actually charities, thus they are, by definition, for the public benefit and not a mere service provider.
    :rofl:

    oh pleeeeease....
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    (Original post by AspiringGenius)
    :rofl:

    oh pleeeeease....
    Have to say I don't buy it myself, quite why they need a 6.5%-7.5% (on average according to the ISC's own stats) surplus to be paid into often obscure trust accounts every year I'm not entirely sure...

    I was just trying to point out that comparing them to other private companies is a nonsense whilst they are holding themselves out to be for the public benefit.
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)

    - Would you ban private hospitals/healthcare?

    - Would you ban private companies/services?
    Yes, I would.
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    Private school students are lucky that mummy and daddy can pay for private education, that's a fair point. I go to a private school and I understand how lucky I am but I don't think we should be made to feel guilty. If state school students are debating that private school pupils have more opportunities then i would reply that if the state school students want it enough, they can achieve it.
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    (Original post by JustAGuyy)
    Private school students are lucky that mummy and daddy can pay for private education, that's a fair point. I go to a private school and I understand how lucky I am but I don't think we should be made to feel guilty. If state school students are debating that private school pupils have more opportunities then i would reply that if the state school students want it enough, they can achieve it.


    Wow, you're a bad representative for private schools, none of the other private students in this thread is that naive. You're really sheltered if you think this to really be the case my friend
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    Wow, you're a bad representative for private schools, none of the other private students in this thread is that naive. You're really sheltered if you think this to really be the case my friend
    **** off you knob
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    (Original post by JustAGuyy)
    **** off you knob

    I didnt mean to upset you, and I apologise for offending you. But if you think anyone can have the same opportunities you've been given just by working harder, the real world is going to hit you really really hard.
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    I didnt mean to upset you, and I apologise for offending you. But if you think anyone can have the same opportunities you've been given just by working harder, the real world is going to hit you really really hard.

    If we're talking about university, say perhaps at Oxbridge, they go on GCSEs and A Levels, right? GCSEs are standard exams with a standard curriculum and a set list of things you need to know, a motivated state school student can learn it just as a private school student can?
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    (Original post by JustAGuyy)
    If we're talking about university, say perhaps at Oxbridge, they go on GCSEs and A Levels, right? GCSEs are standard exams with a standard curriculum and a set list of things you need to know, a motivated state school student can learn it just as a private school student can?

    See that's not what you said. You said base opportunity.

    But going on university entrance, private schools cater specifically for Oxbridge. Practice interviews, knowledge of the procedures, day trips to the institutions - all of these are as standard. These are opportunities not offered to everyone, and you should really appreciate that at the least, let alone when you look back as an adult and realise how much you actually got set up for you
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    (Original post by eelnais)
    Yes, I would.
    What? Why? Why on Earth would you ban private institutions that provide services to those who are able and free to afford it?

    So you would ban SpaceX? Mars? Toys R Us?
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    I didnt mean to upset you, and I apologise for offending you. But if you think anyone can have the same opportunities you've been given just by working harder, the real world is going to hit you really really hard.
    Hi, I have read your argument and while you have some logical points, there are other ones that you should probably be made aware of. My situation.

    I am 17 and I am now at private school thanks to a bursary that pays for 100% of my fees, but my family still has to pay the extras. My family is by no extent rich, believe it or not we collect from the food bank, as my parents have to balance paying the mortgage to avoid losing our house and my school fees. My parents collect very justified benefits thanks to the government. I also get completely vexed from time to time because the people that surround my life are extremely well off and can live there life with more luxuries than they are aware of, 90% of them are completely spoilt at my school. Some of these are even the ones with the scholarships.

    I would suggest that I am mainly at the school due to a few key reasons.
    1. My parents had pretty poor educations, my dad a white minority in a school in London where rapes and murders were not unheard of, my mum in Ireland in a convent style school which was quite sexist.
    2. I am an only child, and one of my grandparents only grandchild so when fees need paying in extreme emergency we can ask for help. My parents have no moral dilemma over which child to send to private school!
    3. I am intelligent enough to be considered worthy of two scholarships and a bursary.

    I accept that there is no such thing as equal opportunities and realistically it's not going to happen, but I have been a benefactor of opportunities which not everyone with my young academic ability would be afforded. Nevertheless the opportunities are there, not for everybody, but they are there. They aren't always realistic, but they are always reachable. In my case the private school I go to is 40 miles away, I travel there and back 6 days a week as a boarding bursary was not available to be awarded.

    I don't think it's justifiable that a parent (or two) who has worked hard enough to secure with minimal risk a good life with enough money to get by plus some extra that they can give to a school that will give their child the best chance of success (or as my Dad puts it, the opportunities to do whatever you choose to in the future, regardless of financial barriers).

    Even if they do turn out to be by and large some stuck-up pricks!

    If I do have children in the future, I will hopefully be able to do this for them, give them the education and the opportunities to succeed that I did, regardless of my financial situation. I shall also ensure that they don't become said stuck-up pricks!
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    (Original post by HumanSupremacist)
    What? Why? Why on Earth would you ban private institutions that provide services to those who are able and free to afford it?

    So you would ban SpaceX? Mars? Toys R Us?

    Thats not what's being discussed here really. We're not talking about private commercial interests but institutional interests, and we're arguing that certain things should be controlled by the government rather than individuals. You only have to glance at the TSR House of Commons to see the debate over water as private or not. The same arguments apply here.
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    I'm undecided about private schools.

    I can see why people think they are a good thing in that they give some kids great education and a great start in life.
    However, there are people that would benefit hugely from a private education but because of their wealth, cannot access this through no fault of their own and so that's not fair on them.

    The thing that really annoys me about private schools are the people that don't try! they're parents have shelled out thousands on their education and they come out with nothing at the end of it because they haven't tried. The education they received could have gone to someone who was willing to try and work their ass off, but because they don't come from a wealthy family they don't have the opportunity.
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    Thats not what's being discussed here really. We're not talking about private commercial interests but institutional interests, and we're arguing that certain things should be controlled by the government rather than individuals. You only have to glance at the TSR House of Commons to see the debate over water as private or not. The same arguments apply here.
    No, certain things should not be controlled by the government alone. Sure, if the government wants to manage schools (which of course it does), then it is free to do so. However, if private individuals or bodies wish to manage schools private, then they should be entirely free to do so and provide services to those who wish to have them.

    Just because the government manages healthcare does not mean that private hospitals and healthcare cannot be set up for those citizens who are free to choose to use it. Why can nobody see this in terms of education? This is not a communist/ultra-socialist country. Private education is freely available to those able and rightly so!

    It is ludicrous to say that only the state should manage schools and there should be no private institutions - will you then legislate against them and encroach upon our freedom?
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    (Original post by Officegirl4)
    I'm undecided about private schools.

    I can see why people think they are a good thing in that they give some kids great education and a great start in life.
    However, there are people that would benefit hugely from a private education but because of their wealth, cannot access this through no fault of their own and so that's not fair on them.

    The thing that really annoys me about private schools are the people that don't try! they're parents have shelled out thousands on their education and they come out with nothing at the end of it because they haven't tried. The education they received could have gone to someone who was willing to try and work their ass off, but because they don't come from a wealthy family they don't have the opportunity.
    And? Private schools are not meant to be for every and anyone - they are for those who can afford it and in some cases for the brightest youngsters (e.g. scholarships, bursaries). State education is for everyone, hence why it is freely available.

    How can you argue about fairness - do you complain about people having to travel on the bus and not being able to travel on the tube because they can't afford it, or not being able to afford a private chauffeur service? Do you complain about people having to put up with state healthcare when they could have superior treatment with private healthcare?

    Private schools (most of them) are a business - so it does not matter if a pupil slacks (in most cases - although there are quotas and checks and whatnot); it matters whether the fees are paid in order to provide the best services and highest standards (e.g. best teachers, facilities, sports, extra-curriculars, trips, contacts etc).

    Private education is not a right - it is a privilege. State education is a right and every young child should be able to be given such. Everyone is not entitled to private education - only those who desire and are able to pay or the brightest youngsters (i.e. scholarships, aware parents etc).
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    (Original post by Hal.E.Lujah)
    See that's not what you said. You said base opportunity.

    But going on university entrance, private schools cater specifically for Oxbridge. Practice interviews, knowledge of the procedures, day trips to the institutions - all of these are as standard. These are opportunities not offered to everyone, and you should really appreciate that at the least, let alone when you look back as an adult and realise how much you actually got set up for you
    Do not blame private institutions for that - blame the State for not stepping up. You do wonder why numerous parents send their offspring to private schools - because on the whole (in most areas), the State has done a shoddy job with education. Ergo, the fault lies with the State and the State alone. We do not blame the state of the NHS (which isn't dire in any case) on private hospitals now, do we?
 
 
 
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