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    I would vote UKIP, but their policies don't go far enough. Where are the true right wing parties?
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    (Original post by tufc)
    2 lads got chucked out of my year at grammar. Both went to comprehensives; both now have criminal convictions.
    I think you are smart enough to know that means almost nothing in the context of this debate....
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    I think you are smart enough to know that means almost nothing in the context of this debate....
    Yes, but neither does your assertion that you would have been fine in the comprehensive.
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    I would vote UKIP, but their policies don't go far enough. Where are the true right wing parties?
    What policies would you like to see from us?
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    (Original post by tufc)
    2 lads got chucked out of my year at grammar. Both went to comprehensives; both now have criminal convictions.
    Anecdotal evidence of two people is fairly insubstantial; besides, there were almost certainly other factors involved in their descent into crime besides their comprehensive school education (if that even factored at all, and if an alternate education would have sent them down different paths, which you can't say).
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    What do all the parties plan to do to prevent the poorest members of society being beaten to jobs by foreign imports? Also what do the parties plan to do to bring back jobs from countries like China and prevent more businesses outsourcing overseas?
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I'm not saying that competition is some kind of crucial life skill that's massively neglected; I'm simply arguing that it's not the massive evil you're making it out to be.
    That's exactly what you said:

    The world's a competitive place; mollycoddling children will only serve to prevent them from being prepared for life after education.
    You're saying that a lack of competition will stop you being prepared for life after education. So yes, according to your argument, it is "some kind of crucial life skill that's massively neglected" and you're quite clearly implying that the education system needs to be geared more towards competition (to supposedly prepare children for life). Which flys in the face of what the evidence suggests. And you have yet to support your claims that it prepares children for later life.
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    I would vote UKIP, but their policies don't go far enough. Where are the true right wing parties?
    What do you mean by right wing?
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    What policies would you like to see from us?
    A few points I would like UKIP to consider before I could vote for them would be:

    1. The repatriation of all immigrants who have arrived since 1960, and their offspring.

    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    4. All newspaper and media outlets state controlled.

    5. All unions banned.
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    (Original post by ByronicHero)
    A basic IQ test for children, in essence.
    Oh how I wish I had this, it would be great to know my IQ of some sorts
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    (Original post by Tuerin)
    Anecdotal evidence of two people is fairly insubstantial; besides, there were almost certainly other factors involved in their descent into crime besides their comprehensive school education (if that even factored at all, and if an alternate education would have sent them down different paths, which you can't say).
    I know - I only made that point to point out how flawed the point of the guy I was replying to was.
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    (Original post by tufc)
    I'm not saying that competition is some kind of crucial life skill that's massively neglected; I'm simply arguing that it's not the massive evil you're making it out to be.
    In fact, if you read about implcit thories of intelligence, by Dweck, she argues the exact opposite to what you say, and she has researched this for years. In fact, she has played a massive role in the educational system (why praise on results is more like "a great effort!" rather than "you're so smart!").

    On this note, vote socialist for educational policy based on emperical research rather than (false) rhetoric about competition
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Oh how I wish I had this, it would be great to know my IQ of some sorts
    It's not an IQ test, and there's no IQ score involved.
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    I would vote UKIP, but their policies don't go far enough. Where are the true right wing parties?
    Well, because this is a student forum, it's less likely to find strong right wing opinion that it is strong left wing opinion. There are people who exist in that vein, though.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    In fact, if you read about implcit thories of intelligence, by Dweck, she argues the exact opposite to what you say, and she has researched this for years. In fact, she has played a massive role in the educational system (why praise on results is more like "a great effort!" rather than "you're so smart!").

    On this note, vote socialist for educational policy based on emperical research rather than (false) rhetoric about competition
    You can't even spell empirical research, why on earth should anyone trust you to be able to harness it effectively
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    A few points I would like UKIP to consider before I could vote for them would be:

    1. The repatriation of all immigrants who have arrived since 1960, and their offspring.

    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    4. All newspaper and media outlets state controlled.

    5. All unions banned.
    I think I can say with a large degree of certainty we won't be supporting any of those policies any time soon. We are effectively a party of Thatcherites; those ideas are plain fascist.

    Inb4 anti-Maggie morons saying "should fit right in then". Hurr durr.
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    (Original post by Glory&Honour)
    A few points I would like UKIP to consider before I could vote for them would be:

    1. The repatriation of all immigrants who have arrived since 1960, and their offspring.

    2. All benefits stopped.

    3. Military service for all 16-25 year old.

    4. All newspaper and media outlets state controlled.

    5. All unions banned.
    Why do you want UKIP to have these? UKIP are for UK Independence, they are rather Socialist in a way.

    1. I actually agree with this providing the children do not have a British citizen as parent.
    2. Moronic.
    3. Hell yeah, Patriotism brother :france:
    4. Fascist much?
    5. Totally agree.

    For Fascist policies, vote tehFrance.

    tehFrance, a Fascist in the good sense :smug:
    Question Everything :fuhrer:
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    (Original post by tufc)
    It's not an IQ test, and there's no IQ score involved.
    Then what is the damn point? seriously.

    Anyway I read your thoughts on education and I'd rather send my child to the streets, he'd be smarter that way.
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    (Original post by paperclip)
    That's exactly what you said:



    You're saying that a lack of competition will stop you being prepared for life after education. So yes, according to your argument, it is "some kind of crucial life skill that's massively neglected" and you're quite clearly implying that the education system needs to be geared more towards competition (to supposedly prepare children for life). Which flys in the face of what the evidence suggests. And you have yet to support your claims that it prepares children for later life.
    No, I'm arguing that it's a good thing to learn. My priority is selective education; a key part of that is competition. If it weren't, I wouldn't be overly bothered by it.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    Then what is the damn point? seriously.
    Separates academically capable children from non-academically capable children.


    Anyway I read your thoughts on education and I'd rather send my child to the streets, he'd be smarter that way.
    Care to explain why?
 
 
 
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