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    Having read their manifesto I can only agree with one thing there. They intend, if elected, to withdraw troops from all foreign conflicts and repatriate soldiers based in Germany. This actually does the tax payer £1.3 billion a year by government figures. Germany is no longer a threat to us militarily so it is a waste, the current government is withdrawing slowly but I personally would like to see them home now. Whilst this policy alone is not enough to gain my vote I would say that by 2010 general election figures they gained close to 1 million votes in this country. If we had a more proportional system of voting akin to that of say Denmark they would have secured in the region of 13 MP's in Westminster. I have argued with more politically active people that are against a more proportional system that have said this is why we need the current system, to prevent extremists in parliament. I think however that people are entitled to the representation they want and if you want to convince them otherwise you need to stop resting on the safe seats and start working for the parties you support.
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    As a strong Nationalist I have to disagree the BNP are a kosher soft nationalist party. They are becoming more and more like a mix of the Christian (non-nationalist) right and the EDL.

    They have no concept of genuine politics or government, and they are overall far to liberal and left-leaning to be able to effectively introduce and maintain a viable state founded on strong Nationalist values.

    They are a shock party in the same vein as the EDL, where the uneducate thugs and racists of the Nationalist movement go to waste a vote and complain over a pint in the local.
    There membership would make decent number fillers in a genuine Nationalist movement or revolution but nothing more.
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    (Original post by jsmithy11)
    On the social side they are very pro Christian, and would restore the lost Christian morality we need back into our schools.
    Why, are other religions morals not good enough for you?




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    (Original post by de_monies)
    I post this every single time, someone like you makes a post like yours. Here's my reply (AGAIN):

    I made a few points earlier. Cue copy & pasta from my previous thread here:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2154062&page=7

    Before I even go in to their policies, know that their policies are just a cover for the policies that they haven't told us. In short, it's propaganda



    Now on to their "policies"

    Manifesto

    • Mentions "immigration invasion" It's not an invasion if people are immigrating legally and with permission. Thats hyperbole right there
    • It talks about "restoring British industry" It's no secret that the BNP panders to the working class, and sorry but those industries are gone and are just not economical in this country.

    Why prop up uneconomical industries, when the gov't is pumping money in to high tech industries?
    • Democracy is supposedly under threat from the EU and by immigration. How so?
    • It talks about fears of jobs being transferred to the "Third world" Sorry, but it was the West who helped push those jobs to the far east, and it's not economical to get those jobs here. If we do, the jobs will be done by machines. Your average person won't notice the difference
    • It talks about colonisation and in the same sentence, they imply that the UK is somehow being colonised. Immigration =/= colonisation
    • They mention why they use certain words. That just shows the calibre of the people that vote BNP

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/manifesto


    Crime & Justice

    • What the hell is a "politically correct straight jacket"
    • In that same sentence, it seems like they want the "good old days" of "P*** bashing, Black bashing" etc...
    • Rights of criminals, and victims. Semi agree. On the one hand, part of me says stick it to the criminal, and to punish them for the max available.On the other hand, you just have to look at the Nordic countries and know that people that go in, don't keep going in etc.. (It's also cheaper)
    • Reintroducing corporal punishments for petty criminals and vandals. Why? I can understand why someone might want something like that or even capital punishment for murderers, but for vandals, it just seems a bit pointless
    • Lol at "social welfare dependance" supposedly "encouraged by disastrous Tory and Labour policies" - both these parties don't like that. It costs money. That's the bottom line
    • Most BNP supporters are working class, and more likely to be on the dole. That's just telling your voters, we don't really give a damn about you. On the plus side, at least they're being honest about it
    • Oh I do love the bit where he anthropomorphises buildings. Apparently buildings can be socialist
    • He wants "decent houses" Wheres the money going to come from?
    • The bit about "non indigenous crime" and it being dealt with as part of their "immigration and identity" policy is scary if you watch the above clip. That's very vague. Why not have the same thing for "indigenous" crime?
    • Lol at freeing 70% of the prison population by deporting the foreign criminals. Where's their source for that?
    • Putting police back on the street, and removing politically correct shackles. What? They'll patrol places that need them ie: high crime areas. I see them quite regularly in my home town, but not so much in my uni town. It makes economic sense
    • Police serving government. Shock horror. Of course, the police will serve the government. They are public sector workers.What's a "real criminal" The whole thing is very vague

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/crime_justice

    Democracy
    • The British invented modern democracy? I think that award goes to the French for overthrowing their monarchy and giving the will to the people. Even today, Britain is a "constitutional monarchy"
    • People have been denied their rights? The only rights I can see that have been curbed are those on freedom of speech ie: you can't be racist, sexist etc..
    • Democracy is absent? Really. I forgot that people were forced to vote for the Tories. Oh wait
    • What basic democratic rights have we been denied?
    • Power being devolved. Sounds nice, but unfortunately doesn't work so well in practise
    • Removing legal curbs on freedom of speech. There we go. That's the crux of it. They want to be racist, sexist etc...
    • Implementing a "Bill of rights" Fair enough, but why do we need it? Our laws are robust enough to already give us "fundamental freedoms"
    • Abolishing anti discrimination laws. Why?
    • Abolishing restrictions on freedom of speech. Why? AFAIK, the only real things that are restricted are racism, sexism etc... and most people simply aren't racist or sexist
    • Rejecting DNA samples of the innocent. Fair point, but that's hyperbole. The gov't does no such thing

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/democracy


    Economics
    • Initial post sounds absolutely pathetic. Our old industries just aren't economically viable any more. It makes no sense to prop up uneconomical industries
    • They call for manufacturing done in Britain by British workers etc... People just don't want to pay for that, and this is just protectionism. Protectionist policies do not work. If you want to look like the North Korea of Europe, go ahead
    • Unemployment will apparently be brought to an end by getting people on British manufacturing jobs - they make it sound like that's the only thing that helps the figures
    • A lot of our manufacturing is high tech/high end. That's not going to help Griffin's voters, who for the most part lack the education needed
    • They're going to restore economy by breaking up the giants. What?
    • Giving workers a stake at profits of big business. Sounds very communist like. Bad economics
    • Legislation that discriminates against White males. Source? There is no such thing.
    • What the hell is an "unfair foreign import"
    • Lol at increasing taxes on companies that outsource abroad. They'll jump ship and then you get nothing at all.
    • I've never actually heard of a married man's allowance, so no idea what that is

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/economics


    Education
    • Britain is still "up there" for education. Our universities are still world class. People greatly admire our education we have
    • Discipline has collapsed? Source? Also, notice how the schools in richer areas tend to do better for themselves, because people are simply willing to learn
    • Uni fees are hitting the poor hardest. That's BS. The poorest get the most amount of loans (I get the absolute max - I saved 2.5K, and I've put it in a savings account. I stand to make a tiny bit of profit on that amount - on the other amount, I obviously pay for it)
    • Has a point for "soft" subjects but arguably they're the ones that subsidise all the "hard" subjects. My course is very good value for money, considering what we get but if "soft" subjects were abandoned, then I can imagine it getting very pricey indeed
    • Uniforms - they exist.Don't know what planet they're on
    • O levels have been reintroduced. Also note how the BNP can't proof read their own site
    • Reintroduction of grammar schools - I went to one. Again, what planet are they on? They haven't all just been dismantled
    • Competitive sport - already happens
    • Daily Christian assemblies. Why, unless it's a CofE school?
    • Having maths that's practical in every day life. Every day maths for most people is if they get a C at GCSE. Why dumb maths down?
    • Teaching of British history - Our school did, and so do many others. It's just that we also have a world view at the same time. It makes us more knowledgeable about the world and not as ignorant as lots of American students
    • Improvement of school food - happens already
    • "Proper" Really? This is a political site, not some guy in a pub.
    • Racist neglect of White working class kids. What? If someone fails to put the work in, they fail. Simple as that. Nothing else to it

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/education


    Environment
    • Just made me lol. They seem very paranoid about the Greens
    • Immigration = destruction to environment? So, it's not the fact that 80% of the world's resources are used in 20% of the world, but because that guy from Zimbabwe decided to migrate to Britain. Sure about that?
    • Removal of power lines Wouldn't work in reality. People are selfish. They want both things. When they have no power, they are not going to be happy
    • Pushing supermarkets to go local. Many do, and we live in a free capitalist state. They are free to get them from wherever they can
    • Banning of "ritual slaughter without pre stunning" Most halal meat for instance is pre stunned, so that's hyperbole. Oh and wha's that got to do with the environment? Sounded like they wanted to have some Muslim bashing somewhere
    • Population is increasing entirely due to immigration. Really? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that people are still having kids

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/environment


    Foreign policy

    • Our foreign policy IS determined by our own interests above all (except perhaps the Americans
    • Not quarrelling with nations that we have no interest in. That's what tend to happen. Notice how many Arab countries are "liberated" but other countries with worse situations arent?
    • Reaching an accord with the Muslim world to take back "excess population" Sounds like deportation for many Muslims just for having heritage from Muslim nations. And how the hell do you expect every one just to say "OK"?
    • So Britain says "Take all your Muslims back and we won't interfere" and then Griffin wants our foreign policy to serve us? Neither of those are in Britain's interests, economically speaking
    • I dunno about creating conflict. If the EU has done one thing that is good, is that it's created peace in Europe, where previously the continent has always been at war with itself

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs


    Healthcare
    • The NHS is a laughing stock? Really? The NHS is absolutely amazing, is what it is. Yes it has inefficiencies and yes it could be improved, but it is in no way a laughing stock
    • Health tourists are being tackled
    • British doctors are unable to find work. Has he seen the stats for medicine. The lowest unemployment I've seen was 95%. 95%!
    • Contracting to cleaning companies, who employ "immigrants" doesn't mean that they're illegal. The NHS would most definitely have checks in place and the cleaning companies would be fined thousands if they were found employing illegal immigrants
    • Looting third world staff. Lol. They were offered a job and accepted. It's that simple
    • I also think Griffin hasn't grasped what "aid" is. Funnily enough, Britain had a field day when India rejected our "aid"

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/content/health


    Housing & Welfare

    • Foreigners come first. Really? It's not my fault if my Grandad spotted that house prices were rising substantially in the 80's and bought houses to rent etc...
    • Immediately given council homes. What? We own our house, and never have lived in a council home. I've never even been in one.
    • What the hell is the "immigration" and "asylum seeker" swindle? Those that are here illegally are deported. Simple as. There is no swindle

    Immigration
    • 14% of Britons don't have English as a mother tongue. So? They'll learn English at school. Technically speaking, my mother tongue isn't English but because I've became so fluent in English, and not really spoke my "native tongue" I've became far less fluent in that
    • Non indigenous births will soon account for more than half of all babies. Source?
    • Immigration will account for 40% of houses. Source?
    • Wait, they say 2.5 million are from the EU, with 3.7 million in total. Where did they get their 84% figure then?
    • 20% were born overseas. Source?
    • Drop two lines and that becomes 11%. Lol, more contradictions
    • Voluntary resettlement is apparently a £50K pay check. Not only would that bankrupt the UK, but over a lifetime that's abysmal
    • Positive discrimination =/= making White Briton's second class citizens.
    • They focus on what other countries do. We aren't other countries. At least compare our immigration policies to Western nations, not nations like Saudi Arabia, India etc...


    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration

    Well done- that must have taken a while!
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    (Original post by de_monies)
    I post this every single time, someone like you makes a post like yours. Here's my reply (AGAIN):

    I made a few points earlier. Cue copy & pasta from my previous thread here:
    http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/show...2154062&page=7

    Before I even go in to their policies, know that their policies are just a cover for the policies that they haven't told us. In short, it's propaganda



    Now on to their "policies"

    Manifesto

    • Mentions "immigration invasion" It's not an invasion if people are immigrating legally and with permission. Thats hyperbole right there
    • It talks about "restoring British industry" It's no secret that the BNP panders to the working class, and sorry but those industries are gone and are just not economical in this country.

    Why prop up uneconomical industries, when the gov't is pumping money in to high tech industries?
    • Democracy is supposedly under threat from the EU and by immigration. How so?
    • It talks about fears of jobs being transferred to the "Third world" Sorry, but it was the West who helped push those jobs to the far east, and it's not economical to get those jobs here. If we do, the jobs will be done by machines. Your average person won't notice the difference
    • It talks about colonisation and in the same sentence, they imply that the UK is somehow being colonised. Immigration =/= colonisation
    • They mention why they use certain words. That just shows the calibre of the people that vote BNP

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/manifesto


    Crime & Justice

    • What the hell is a "politically correct straight jacket"
    • In that same sentence, it seems like they want the "good old days" of "P*** bashing, Black bashing" etc...
    • Rights of criminals, and victims. Semi agree. On the one hand, part of me says stick it to the criminal, and to punish them for the max available.On the other hand, you just have to look at the Nordic countries and know that people that go in, don't keep going in etc.. (It's also cheaper)
    • Reintroducing corporal punishments for petty criminals and vandals. Why? I can understand why someone might want something like that or even capital punishment for murderers, but for vandals, it just seems a bit pointless
    • Lol at "social welfare dependance" supposedly "encouraged by disastrous Tory and Labour policies" - both these parties don't like that. It costs money. That's the bottom line
    • Most BNP supporters are working class, and more likely to be on the dole. That's just telling your voters, we don't really give a damn about you. On the plus side, at least they're being honest about it
    • Oh I do love the bit where he anthropomorphises buildings. Apparently buildings can be socialist
    • He wants "decent houses" Wheres the money going to come from?
    • The bit about "non indigenous crime" and it being dealt with as part of their "immigration and identity" policy is scary if you watch the above clip. That's very vague. Why not have the same thing for "indigenous" crime?
    • Lol at freeing 70% of the prison population by deporting the foreign criminals. Where's their source for that?
    • Putting police back on the street, and removing politically correct shackles. What? They'll patrol places that need them ie: high crime areas. I see them quite regularly in my home town, but not so much in my uni town. It makes economic sense
    • Police serving government. Shock horror. Of course, the police will serve the government. They are public sector workers.What's a "real criminal" The whole thing is very vague

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/crime_justice

    Democracy
    • The British invented modern democracy? I think that award goes to the French for overthrowing their monarchy and giving the will to the people. Even today, Britain is a "constitutional monarchy"
    • People have been denied their rights? The only rights I can see that have been curbed are those on freedom of speech ie: you can't be racist, sexist etc..
    • Democracy is absent? Really. I forgot that people were forced to vote for the Tories. Oh wait
    • What basic democratic rights have we been denied?
    • Power being devolved. Sounds nice, but unfortunately doesn't work so well in practise
    • Removing legal curbs on freedom of speech. There we go. That's the crux of it. They want to be racist, sexist etc...
    • Implementing a "Bill of rights" Fair enough, but why do we need it? Our laws are robust enough to already give us "fundamental freedoms"
    • Abolishing anti discrimination laws. Why?
    • Abolishing restrictions on freedom of speech. Why? AFAIK, the only real things that are restricted are racism, sexism etc... and most people simply aren't racist or sexist
    • Rejecting DNA samples of the innocent. Fair point, but that's hyperbole. The gov't does no such thing

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/democracy


    Economics
    • Initial post sounds absolutely pathetic. Our old industries just aren't economically viable any more. It makes no sense to prop up uneconomical industries
    • They call for manufacturing done in Britain by British workers etc... People just don't want to pay for that, and this is just protectionism. Protectionist policies do not work. If you want to look like the North Korea of Europe, go ahead
    • Unemployment will apparently be brought to an end by getting people on British manufacturing jobs - they make it sound like that's the only thing that helps the figures
    • A lot of our manufacturing is high tech/high end. That's not going to help Griffin's voters, who for the most part lack the education needed
    • They're going to restore economy by breaking up the giants. What?
    • Giving workers a stake at profits of big business. Sounds very communist like. Bad economics
    • Legislation that discriminates against White males. Source? There is no such thing.
    • What the hell is an "unfair foreign import"
    • Lol at increasing taxes on companies that outsource abroad. They'll jump ship and then you get nothing at all.
    • I've never actually heard of a married man's allowance, so no idea what that is

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/economics


    Education
    • Britain is still "up there" for education. Our universities are still world class. People greatly admire our education we have
    • Discipline has collapsed? Source? Also, notice how the schools in richer areas tend to do better for themselves, because people are simply willing to learn
    • Uni fees are hitting the poor hardest. That's BS. The poorest get the most amount of loans (I get the absolute max - I saved 2.5K, and I've put it in a savings account. I stand to make a tiny bit of profit on that amount - on the other amount, I obviously pay for it)
    • Has a point for "soft" subjects but arguably they're the ones that subsidise all the "hard" subjects. My course is very good value for money, considering what we get but if "soft" subjects were abandoned, then I can imagine it getting very pricey indeed
    • Uniforms - they exist.Don't know what planet they're on
    • O levels have been reintroduced. Also note how the BNP can't proof read their own site
    • Reintroduction of grammar schools - I went to one. Again, what planet are they on? They haven't all just been dismantled
    • Competitive sport - already happens
    • Daily Christian assemblies. Why, unless it's a CofE school?
    • Having maths that's practical in every day life. Every day maths for most people is if they get a C at GCSE. Why dumb maths down?
    • Teaching of British history - Our school did, and so do many others. It's just that we also have a world view at the same time. It makes us more knowledgeable about the world and not as ignorant as lots of American students
    • Improvement of school food - happens already
    • "Proper" Really? This is a political site, not some guy in a pub.
    • Racist neglect of White working class kids. What? If someone fails to put the work in, they fail. Simple as that. Nothing else to it

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/education


    Environment
    • Just made me lol. They seem very paranoid about the Greens
    • Immigration = destruction to environment? So, it's not the fact that 80% of the world's resources are used in 20% of the world, but because that guy from Zimbabwe decided to migrate to Britain. Sure about that?
    • Removal of power lines Wouldn't work in reality. People are selfish. They want both things. When they have no power, they are not going to be happy
    • Pushing supermarkets to go local. Many do, and we live in a free capitalist state. They are free to get them from wherever they can
    • Banning of "ritual slaughter without pre stunning" Most halal meat for instance is pre stunned, so that's hyperbole. Oh and wha's that got to do with the environment? Sounded like they wanted to have some Muslim bashing somewhere
    • Population is increasing entirely due to immigration. Really? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that people are still having kids

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/environment


    Foreign policy

    • Our foreign policy IS determined by our own interests above all (except perhaps the Americans
    • Not quarrelling with nations that we have no interest in. That's what tend to happen. Notice how many Arab countries are "liberated" but other countries with worse situations arent?
    • Reaching an accord with the Muslim world to take back "excess population" Sounds like deportation for many Muslims just for having heritage from Muslim nations. And how the hell do you expect every one just to say "OK"?
    • So Britain says "Take all your Muslims back and we won't interfere" and then Griffin wants our foreign policy to serve us? Neither of those are in Britain's interests, economically speaking
    • I dunno about creating conflict. If the EU has done one thing that is good, is that it's created peace in Europe, where previously the continent has always been at war with itself

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/foreign-affairs


    Healthcare
    • The NHS is a laughing stock? Really? The NHS is absolutely amazing, is what it is. Yes it has inefficiencies and yes it could be improved, but it is in no way a laughing stock
    • Health tourists are being tackled
    • British doctors are unable to find work. Has he seen the stats for medicine. The lowest unemployment I've seen was 95%. 95%!
    • Contracting to cleaning companies, who employ "immigrants" doesn't mean that they're illegal. The NHS would most definitely have checks in place and the cleaning companies would be fined thousands if they were found employing illegal immigrants
    • Looting third world staff. Lol. They were offered a job and accepted. It's that simple
    • I also think Griffin hasn't grasped what "aid" is. Funnily enough, Britain had a field day when India rejected our "aid"

    http://www.bnp.org.uk/content/health


    Housing & Welfare

    • Foreigners come first. Really? It's not my fault if my Grandad spotted that house prices were rising substantially in the 80's and bought houses to rent etc...
    • Immediately given council homes. What? We own our house, and never have lived in a council home. I've never even been in one.
    • What the hell is the "immigration" and "asylum seeker" swindle? Those that are here illegally are deported. Simple as. There is no swindle

    Immigration
    • 14% of Britons don't have English as a mother tongue. So? They'll learn English at school. Technically speaking, my mother tongue isn't English but because I've became so fluent in English, and not really spoke my "native tongue" I've became far less fluent in that
    • Non indigenous births will soon account for more than half of all babies. Source?
    • Immigration will account for 40% of houses. Source?
    • Wait, they say 2.5 million are from the EU, with 3.7 million in total. Where did they get their 84% figure then?
    • 20% were born overseas. Source?
    • Drop two lines and that becomes 11%. Lol, more contradictions
    • Voluntary resettlement is apparently a £50K pay check. Not only would that bankrupt the UK, but over a lifetime that's abysmal
    • Positive discrimination =/= making White Briton's second class citizens.
    • They focus on what other countries do. We aren't other countries. At least compare our immigration policies to Western nations, not nations like Saudi Arabia, India etc...


    http://www.bnp.org.uk/policies/immigration

    I respect people who have well thought out and informed positions, but commenting on your youtube clip alone, you do not have these. You are simply tagging on to a Jewish position used to "divide and rule" European people by pitching them against each other. Without going into specifics, the idea that a historical position is fixed and anyone who disagrees with it is a "Holocaust denier", and worthy of having their life ruined, is quite frankly disgusting. The idea that people who have never researched the topic and have no idea what the actual history behind it is, chant with fire in their eyes "Holocaust denier" is quite frankly disgusting. Jews have pitched this to turn European against European, and succedded people so many of you want see through that. How can a person not have a right to their own opinion? Do they need to be told what to think, blackmailed, threatened? First this was a Jewish technique and now it has been adopted by ethnic minorities in general to pitch European indigenous against European indigenous.

    A part of me thinks that the European indigenous are so stupid that they almost deserve to be wiped out. Why do you fall for this? Do you have your own mind people?
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    I like this. The best answer to the BNP is to laugh at them. Making them ridiculous will take what power they have to attract people.

    http://eveningharold.com/2013/05/08/...d-just-stupid/
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    (Original post by a729)
    Well done- that must have taken a while!
    Took me a fair bit of the time when I first wrote that tbf
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    (Original post by Barden)
    Some of their youth wing stuff sounds pretty Nazi...

    Yeah just like the scouts, nazi cub scout youth groups! Come on, having a youth group doesn't make an organization nazis.

    Addressing OP, BNP are vile and seem to be motivated largely by race.

    We don't need racists on either wing, on the far right : Griffin. Center center central 'left' ( labour) Diane abbot.
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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    As a strong Nationalist I have to disagree the BNP are a kosher soft nationalist party. They are becoming more and more like a mix of the Christian (non-nationalist) right and the EDL.

    They have no concept of genuine politics or government, and they are overall far to liberal and left-leaning to be able to effectively introduce and maintain a viable state founded on strong Nationalist values.

    They are a shock party in the same vein as the EDL, where the uneducate thugs and racists of the Nationalist movement go to waste a vote and complain over a pint in the local.
    There membership would make decent number fillers in a genuine Nationalist movement or revolution but nothing more.

    How can you be a self-proclaimed nationalist yet have so many green gems on TSR? Are you being sarcastic?
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    (Original post by KelsoAngel)
    I respect people who have well thought out and informed positions, but commenting on your youtube clip alone, you do not have these. You are simply tagging on to a Jewish position used to "divide and rule" European people by pitching them against each other. Without going into specifics, the idea that a historical position is fixed and anyone who disagrees with it is a "Holocaust denier", and worthy of having their life ruined, is quite frankly disgusting. The idea that people who have never researched the topic and have no idea what the actual history behind it is, chant with fire in their eyes "Holocaust denier" is quite frankly disgusting. Jews have pitched this to turn European against European, and succedded people so many of you want see through that. How can a person not have a right to their own opinion? Do they need to be told what to think, blackmailed, threatened? First this was a Jewish technique and now it has been adopted by ethnic minorities in general to pitch European indigenous against European indigenous.

    A part of me thinks that the European indigenous are so stupid that they almost deserve to be wiped out. Why do you fall for this? Do you have your own mind people?
    Common sense ought to dictate that if someone wants to put someone down for disputing or "denying" something, than the person who wants to put them down, ought to be able to prove that their position is correct. I would be very interested to see if people accusing others of being "holocaust deniers" are able to prove their position. Doesn't this just go back to the idea of a State correct set of thoughts telling people what is right and what to think and accept.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Yeah just like the scouts, nazi cub scout youth groups! Come on, having a youth group doesn't make an organization nazis.
    Not what I said... :rolleyes:

    I was actually referring to the specific mission statement of the YBNP as it was then known. Something along the lines of "... giving our children the skills they will need to preserve the white, Anglo-Saxon folk community..." or something along those lines.

    Also bear in mind that the YBNP teaches its members how to improvise weapons, and the organisation begins to resemble more of a paramilitary than a 'youth group'.
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    (Original post by Barden)
    Not what I said... :rolleyes:

    I was actually referring to the specific mission statement of the YBNP as it was then known. Something along the lines of "... giving our children the skills they will need to preserve the white, Anglo-Saxon folk community..." or something along those lines.

    Also bear in mind that the YBNP teaches its members how to improvise weapons, and the organisation begins to resemble more of a paramilitary than a 'youth group'.

    "Some of their youth wing stuff sounds pretty Nazi..." I interpreted this as having a youth wing = similar to Nazis.

    I interpreted this wrong.

    I agree that some of their youth wing stuff, like that you've quoted is paralleled that of the nazi's.
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    (Original post by FayLee)
    Common sense ought to dictate that if someone wants to put someone down for disputing or "denying" something, than the person who wants to put them down, ought to be able to prove that their position is correct. I would be very interested to see if people accusing others of being "holocaust deniers" are able to prove their position. Doesn't this just go back to the idea of a State correct set of thoughts telling people what is right and what to think and accept.
    Common sense does not seem to enter people's minds on this issue. I could never explain this. Perhaps someone who believes in the concept of non-free speech over the Holocaust could explain their position. It's very strange how people have allowed this event or alleged event to become a type of leaver to gain political ground over their opponents. It must be the most misused event in history.


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    (Original post by Barden)
    Not what I said... :rolleyes:

    I was actually referring to the specific mission statement of the YBNP as it was then known. Something along the lines of "... giving our children the skills they will need to preserve the white, Anglo-Saxon folk community..." or something along those lines.

    Also bear in mind that the YBNP teaches its members how to improvise weapons, and the organisation begins to resemble more of a paramilitary than a 'youth group'.
    What is wrong with trying to preserve your community or your people.

    Don't you all smack of double standards and self hatred.

    You are all annoyed about the mass immigration to this country yet you all take part in regular bashings of people who oppose it.




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    (Original post by KelsoAngel)
    I respect people who have well thought out and informed positions, but commenting on your youtube clip alone, you do not have these. You are simply tagging on to a Jewish position used to "divide and rule" European people by pitching them against each other. Without going into specifics, the idea that a historical position is fixed and anyone who disagrees with it is a "Holocaust denier", and worthy of having their life ruined, is quite frankly disgusting. The idea that people who have never researched the topic and have no idea what the actual history behind it is, chant with fire in their eyes "Holocaust denier" is quite frankly disgusting. Jews have pitched this to turn European against European, and succedded people so many of you want see through that. How can a person not have a right to their own opinion? Do they need to be told what to think, blackmailed, threatened? First this was a Jewish technique and now it has been adopted by ethnic minorities in general to pitch European indigenous against European indigenous.

    A part of me thinks that the European indigenous are so stupid that they almost deserve to be wiped out. Why do you fall for this? Do you have your own mind people?

    (Original post by FayLee)
    Common sense ought to dictate that if someone wants to put someone down for disputing or "denying" something, than the person who wants to put them down, ought to be able to prove that their position is correct. I would be very interested to see if people accusing others of being "holocaust deniers" are able to prove their position. Doesn't this just go back to the idea of a State correct set of thoughts telling people what is right and what to think and accept.

    (Original post by SimmerDown)
    Common sense does not seem to enter people's minds on this issue. I could never explain this. Perhaps someone who believes in the concept of non-free speech over the Holocaust could explain their position. It's very strange how people have allowed this event or alleged event to become a type of leaver to gain political ground over their opponents. It must be the most misused event in history.


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    (Original post by Three Mile Sprint)
    As a strong Nationalist I have to disagree the BNP are a kosher soft nationalist party. They are becoming more and more like a mix of the Christian (non-nationalist) right and the EDL.

    They have no concept of genuine politics or government, and they are overall far to liberal and left-leaning to be able to effectively introduce and maintain a viable state founded on strong Nationalist values.

    They are a shock party in the same vein as the EDL, where the uneducate thugs and racists of the Nationalist movement go to waste a vote and complain over a pint in the local.
    There membership would make decent number fillers in a genuine Nationalist movement or revolution but nothing more.
    I assume you support UKIP as opposed to the Lib/Lab/Con who will sell us of to the EU for (metaphorical) 30 pieces of silver

    as you're a 'strong nationalist'
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    "Some of their youth wing stuff sounds pretty Nazi..." I interpreted this as having a youth wing = similar to Nazis.
    I think that by 'their' I clearly meant 'the BNP's'...
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    (Original post by SimmerDown)

    You are all annoyed about the mass immigration to this country yet you all take part in regular bashings of people who oppose it.
    Are we?

    Your logic: "people espouse a view that I don't agree with, they must be pretending"

    I thought we were all "brainwashed" anyway... :dontknow:
 
 
 
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