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    Bring it back to 'monster of the week'. No complicated story arcs - it was less complicated and actually more engaging when the only connection between stories is 'Bad Wolf' sprayed on a wall or a Vote Saxon poster lying around.

    Get rid of other characters - it should be The Doctor and his companion - not The Doctor and his companion, and his detective Silurian friend and her maid-wife and their semi-retarded Sontaran bodyguard/third wheel.

    Stop trying to be funny. What the RTD era did well is make the characters engaging and funny through their personas, rather than cheap gags. Seeing Ten rushing around with his 'allons-y!' is fun and engaging - seeing Strax make another unnecessary tribute to the Glory of Sontar or mistaking Clara's gender repeatedly is just getting old. The stupid slapstick needs to stop now.

    Stop trying to please five year olds. Kill the spares and let's make Doctor Who dark. It's about time we had a change.
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    that.was.AWESOME.



    Capaldi is fab, really plays the role well

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    feel sorry for the dinosaur :sad: lots of humour and lots of clever stuff as well, felt like a well balanced start to the new series, interesting that the robots/androids were like that ones from The Girl in the Fireplace, wonder if we will see them again? :holmes: not sure who this Missy person at the end was though, and it seems that someone is interfering in the Doctor and Clara's lives too, more mystery to be explored! also looking forward to next week:
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    Daleks! :awesome:
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    Also, please no more doctor riding on horses in front of CGI backgrounds. It looked pretty awkward the first time (Girl in the fireplace) and didn't look any better last night.
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    This episode was a let-down. The show seemed to be hyped up as a reincarnation of the more serious, dark and "scary" series before the reboot with Eccleston, but this is just the usual drivel. The doctor again saving everyone by...well... not doing anything of particular significance.
    At least it's better than singing and giving memories to make the monster go away, as has happened in one of Smith's episodes.
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    After thinking about it a bit more and reading others peoples comments I agree that the episode was a bit silly. The 'Paternoster Gang' (Strax, Vastra and Jenny) have completely overstayed their welcome to me- and seriously Moffat, we get it, they're lesbians!

    I hope we don't see any more of them this season (or at all really) because I'm getting tired of the Victorian setting and I don't think Capaldi's doctor is a such a good fit for those 3. If Moffat really wants to keep them, he should make a spinoff show- it could replace Sarah Jane Adventures- or put mini episodes online, just as long as he keeps them out of the show.

    I also don't think the monsters of this episode were particularly effective. Though I appreciated the references to Madame de Pompadour, it meant the droids weren't very original, there wasn't much motivation for their actions and less story than in the Girl in the Fireplace.
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    (Original post by VinnicombeDmv)
    I'm really unsure how I feel about him at the moment, but at the same time I think it would be unfair to cast judgement upon him based on purely one episode. I guess I shall make my mind up as the season progresses.
    True you can't base opinions on 1 episode but first impressions it was a very good episode
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    Someone has said this before and I totally agree! Missy is the Master!


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    (Original post by getfunky!)
    That was really bad:indiff: I did hope that the writers would give Capaldi a better first episode, but despite what he had to work with, he still gave a brilliant performance.

    They need to get rid of Vastra, or at the very least change her persona, the overly-knowledgeable-holmes-like-agent is becoming a bore and makes no sense to keep in the show, as it only overshadows the Doctor's role. Instead we have to make do with a dwelling Doctor that doesn't quite function well, and a minor character explaining much of the story.

    There's a reason why Tennant and Smith (series 5, not series 7:nooo:) worked so well, as their stories relied much more on their own interpretation/explanation.

    :moon: then again it has only been one episode ..written by Moffat, I just hope it improves so we can admire what Doctor Who should be like
    I think Moffat episodes are usually spectacular - I always greatly enjoyed those he wrote for Eccleston, Tennant and Smith. And I actually enjoyed the later series of Doctor Who when he was head writer - S8E1 was just an abomination. Far too many attempts at cheap laughs; childish sound effects followed by rag-dolling actors; Strax went from "mild comedy relief" to "retarded sidekick where all he's good for is to laugh at"; even the camerawork had changed drastically and seemed more fit for an episode of the Chucklebrothers rather than a family sci-fi drama at some points.

    Clara was written from an actually interesting, intelligent, confident character into a petty little girl for 90% of the episode. Madame Vastra went from "I've lived for centuries of history, so am understandably quite intelligent about extraterrestrial affairs, and am also quite empathetic" into "I'm a know-it-all ***** and I'm proud of it". Even their acting direction seems to have changed.

    I think the "dwelling Doctor" was meant to be entirely on purpose to play up to the old trope of how "difficult" regeneration is, and it takes the Doctor a while to sort of "wake up" from it and accept himself. I don't expect we'll be getting much more of this in later episodes.

    I really didn't like the episode at all - really seemed more like a kids' show at times as opposed to a family drama. Hope to see a turn around from this; hope it was just this one episode!

    Edit: I disagree that Madame Vastra, Jenny and Straxx need to go - I usually greatly enjoy the characters, and especially enjoy the featuring of a homosexual relationship on primetime telly, but I think they were just extremely poorly written this episode.
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    I loooooved the episode

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    Deep Breath was awesome. Peter Capaldi is a brilliant Doctor, the series arc looks amazing and I'm sure this will be the best series yet if it continues to be this good. My current favourite is series 5 but I'm sure 8 can live up to it.
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    I love, love, love Capaldi's Doctor...I hated everything else. It's like the show should be shifted to Cbeebies.
    This was my thought, I actually liked Capaldi, and it's annoying that people are hating on him because the episode as a whole was pretty dreadful.

    I'm not liking Madame Vastra and Jenny and Strax at all anymore, it seems like Moffat is trying to have his own loveable recurring characters (like there used to be with Captain Jack Harkness, Mickey, and Sarah Jane and the rest of the companions like Martha who randomly popped up after their time), which really isn't working for me, since he just seems to be shoving them down the viewer's throat.

    And Clara seems to have gotten blander which is annoying, hopefully she gets a bit more development with Capaldi as the doctor hmph.

    The plot/villains were actually okay though, fairly creepy if you looked at them away from the rest of the episode which was quite ridiculous, the bit about the promised land was all very creepy, but it was all just poorly executed.
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    I think Moffat episodes are usually spectacular - I always greatly enjoyed those he wrote for Eccleston, Tennant and Smith. And I actually enjoyed the later series of Doctor Who when he was head writer - S8E1 was just an abomination. Far too many attempts at cheap laughs; childish sound effects followed by rag-dolling actors; Strax went from "mild comedy relief" to "retarded sidekick where all he's good for is to laugh at"; even the camerawork had changed drastically and seemed more fit for an episode of the Chucklebrothers rather than a family sci-fi drama at some points.

    Clara was written from an actually interesting, intelligent, confident character into a petty little girl for 90% of the episode. Madame Vastra went from "I've lived for centuries of history, so am understandably quite intelligent about extraterrestrial affairs, and am also quite empathetic" into "I'm a know-it-all ***** and I'm proud of it". Even their acting direction seems to have changed.

    I think the "dwelling Doctor" was meant to be entirely on purpose to play up to the old trope of how "difficult" regeneration is, and it takes the Doctor a while to sort of "wake up" from it and accept himself. I don't expect we'll be getting much more of this in later episodes.

    I really didn't like the episode at all - really seemed more like a kids' show at times as opposed to a family drama. Hope to see a turn around from this; hope it was just this one episode!

    Edit: I disagree that Madame Vastra, Jenny and Straxx need to go - I usually greatly enjoy the characters, and especially enjoy the featuring of a homosexual relationship on primetime telly, but I think they were just extremely poorly written this episode.
    At the very least they need to change what function those three have in the show - Vastra just takes over the Doctor's role, Jenny is perfectly fine, Strax has no use and just provides mild comic relief like throwing a newspaper at Clara.

    A couple of negative points I saw in episode: The dinosaur was just placed in the episode for a few minutes and then just killed off, without much explanation of where it came from.. Unless they intend to show what happened during the gap between the series.

    Also the number of times it was mentioned that Vastra and Jenny were in a relationship just seemed unnecessary, we get it and liked it in previous series, but it seemed like they spent an 1/8th of the episode just constantly mentioning it.. And the close up shot of their kiss:sigh: It just reiterates the point that they seem to be unnecessary characters in their current persona.

    I like the camera work, seems odd, much like the Capaldi's Doctor, he feels sort of ..distanced.

    Daleks next week:ahee:
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    Capaldi is fantastic. He played it just the way I hoped he would, so I'm really excited to see how he develops the character.

    The episode was ok, decent but not fantastic. I am bored of Vastra and her gang, although I do like the fact that they are occasional companions - I like it when there are characters that pop up from time to time without being in every episode (like Captain Jack used to do, for example). It makes the Doctor's world seem a little bigger than just companion + Tardis.

    BUT I didn't like the ending. At all. I think it's pointing to a Moffat-style OH NO WHO IS SHE WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEAN where there are no clues, just mystery that gets resolved 3 years later.

    Which leads me to my final point - I want Moffatt to go. I am totally sick of his style, and I really wish that he'd left at the same time as Matt. As long as he stays then his foibles are going to stay - overly complex plots with no subtlety, and every female character being written the same way. Moffatt does "feisty" women, who have little else to their personality. I like women to be feisty, but not every woman is the same and it takes away from the immerse element of the show when the characters are too similar. Amy = River = Vastra = Clara = Jenny = all the others. They may have tiny differences, but the basic personality is the same each time and it's just too boring as a viewer.
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
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    Capaldi is fantastic. He played it just the way I hoped he would, so I'm really excited to see how he develops the character.

    The episode was ok, decent but not fantastic. I am bored of Vastra and her gang, although I do like the fact that they are occasional companions - I like it when there are characters that pop up from time to time without being in every episode (like Captain Jack used to do, for example). It makes the Doctor's world seem a little bigger than just companion + Tardis.

    BUT I didn't like the ending. At all. I think it's pointing to a Moffat-style OH NO WHO IS SHE WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEAN where there are no clues, just mystery that gets resolved 3 years later.

    Which leads me to my final point - I want Moffatt to go. I am totally sick of his style, and I really wish that he'd left at the same time as Matt. As long as he stays then his foibles are going to stay - overly complex plots with no subtlety, and every female character being written the same way. Moffatt does "feisty" women, who have little else to their personality. I like women to be feisty, but not every woman is the same and it takes away from the immerse element of the show when the characters are too similar. Amy = River = Vastra = Clara = Jenny = all the others. They may have tiny differences, but the basic personality is the same each time and it's just too boring as a viewer.
    I preferred RTD's style of story telling- it was subtler, less in your face, more sneaky. Moffat goes all out, all the time. This works a lot of the time, but sometimes it gets too much. Having said that, moff has written some killer episodes in the past, so I really hope this series works for him!


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    Capaldi was brilliant! As great as he is at acting, I didn't have high expectations of him as the doctor but he seriously surpassed them!
    I'm particularly excited about the 'Robot of Sherwood' episode
    Tom Riley = :sexface:
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    I think the "dwelling Doctor" was meant to be entirely on purpose to play up to the old trope of how "difficult" regeneration is, and it takes the Doctor a while to sort of "wake up" from it and accept himself. I don't expect we'll be getting much more of this in later episodes.
    That's true - The Christmas Invasion featured the Doctor being asleep for half the episode, but that wasn't a bad episode at all. It's somewhat more reasonable that a guy who's just undergone a major transformation and used a lot of energy is probably going to be a bit tired/weird/dysfunctional for a bit.

    Tell you what, they're playing the Dalek card very early this series.
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    (Original post by timeywimey)
    Someone has said this before and I totally agree! Missy is the Master!


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    I swear everyone thinks a new mysterious character that appears in Doctor Who is the Master:rolleyes: If she is though... that will be so amazing.
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    (Original post by Feefifofum)
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    Capaldi is fantastic. He played it just the way I hoped he would, so I'm really excited to see how he develops the character.

    The episode was ok, decent but not fantastic. I am bored of Vastra and her gang, although I do like the fact that they are occasional companions - I like it when there are characters that pop up from time to time without being in every episode (like Captain Jack used to do, for example). It makes the Doctor's world seem a little bigger than just companion + Tardis.

    BUT I didn't like the ending. At all. I think it's pointing to a Moffat-style OH NO WHO IS SHE WHAT DOES IT ALL MEEEEEEEAN where there are no clues, just mystery that gets resolved 3 years later.

    Which leads me to my final point - I want Moffatt to go. I am totally sick of his style, and I really wish that he'd left at the same time as Matt. As long as he stays then his foibles are going to stay - overly complex plots with no subtlety, and every female character being written the same way. Moffatt does "feisty" women, who have little else to their personality. I like women to be feisty, but not every woman is the same and it takes away from the immerse element of the show when the characters are too similar. Amy = River = Vastra = Clara = Jenny = all the others. They may have tiny differences, but the basic personality is the same each time and it's just too boring as a viewer.
    Moffat wrote The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances, The Girl in the Fireplace and Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead. He is capable of great stories. He is a fantastic writer.

    However, he cannot write a series.
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    (Original post by vee_wuvshugs)
    I swear everyone thinks a new mysterious character that appears in Doctor Who is the Master:rolleyes: If she is though... that will be so amazing.
    Moffat confirmed the master wouldn't be making a return as he thought doctor who was ''done with the master'' so chances are it is definitely not the master
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    (Original post by alpen)
    Moffat confirmed the maser wouldn't be making a return as he thought doctor who was ''done with the master'' so chances are it is definitely not the master
    Oh Moffat. The love/hate relationship we have is definitely a strong one. I really wish RTD returned to write for the 12th Dr. That's never going happen though.
 
 
 
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