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    It was alright, but it veered too far into the realms of absurdity. I can accept some amount of physics nonsense for the sake of entertainment but this was the episode that went a bit too far. The suspension of belief disappeared to an extent. I can accept things like time travel, sound in space, blah blah blah etc. but:

    1) Firstly, any fellow biologists wondering how the heck those moon spiders could possibly be unicellular prokaryotic organisms? It could have been forgiven if the Doctor hadn't specifically said that only scientists would understand. Scientists would know it isn't even possible for highly differentiated, badger-sized prokaryotes like that to exist!
    2) Tides would still occur but would be tied to the Sun instead, meaning they would be smaller and with a different pattern, but would still occur - unlike what Clara claimed. I guess that could just be Clara's lack of scientific understanding, but I get the feeling the writer wasn't aware of this fact either.
    3) Tides big enough to destroy cities, eh? And yet they travel to a remarkably pristine beach at the end of the ep...
    4) The moon creature laid an egg the same size as itself? Huh?
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    Do you know what I miss. The 2-parters. Moffat seems to have just done away with them in favour of short and sweet nonsensical episodes that just seem rushed. Bar 'Blink' everyone's favourite episodes seem to be 2-parters. 'The Empty Child', 'The Impossible Planet', 'Aliens of London', and 'Silence in the Library' were all great 2-parters that are remembered as some of the best episodes of those series'. The saddest thing is that half of those that I've mentioned were actually written by Moffat. Come on Moffat, let's have some more 2-parters in the middle of the series. Ones where you can actually develop some sort of coherent and interesting plot.
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    (Original post by The Rusty Spork)
    The idiot child also has pictures that she has put on to Facebook or whatever. He didn't delete them, just told her to come and bring the TARDIS to him.]
    Tumblr. Hermione Norris is 47. Her character is surely going to be at least 40, which means she was born at the latest in 2009. I very much doubt her 'granny' (who was probably at least 45 in 2009) used to post on Tumblr. Unless I'm mistaken and lots of middle aged women post on Tumblr of course?
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    (Original post by Unibuster325)
    What right do we have to survive over another species of another race that hasn't even been born yet? To kill the moon creature and save ourselves is selfish and in my opinion, cruel when it hasn't even been born.
    That's crazy.
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    (Original post by garfeeled)
    but most people havent done anything to deserve death.
    The unborn child in that scenario is younger.
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    (Original post by garfeeled)
    but most people havent done anything to deserve death.
    Some people die that deserve life, and others live that deserve death. Have you got what it takes to give it to them? Don't be so quick to jump to rash judgement

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    (Original post by cakefish)
    It was alright, but it veered too far into the realms of absurdity. I can accept some amount of physics nonsense for the sake of entertainment but this was the episode that went a bit too far. The suspension of belief disappeared to an extent. I can accept things like time travel, sound in space, blah blah blah etc. but:

    1) Firstly, any fellow biologists wondering how the heck those moon spiders could possibly be unicellular prokaryotic organisms? It could have been forgiven if the Doctor hadn't specifically said that only scientists would understand. Scientists would know it isn't even possible for highly differentiated, badger-sized prokaryotes like that to exist!
    2) Tides would still occur but would be tied to the Sun instead, meaning they would be smaller and with a different pattern, but would still occur - unlike what Clara claimed. I guess that could just be Clara's lack of scientific understanding, but I get the feeling the writer wasn't aware of this fact either.
    3) Tides big enough to destroy cities, eh? And yet they travel to a remarkably pristine beach at the end of the ep...
    4) The moon creature laid an egg the same size as itself? Huh?
    The answer is the same for all 4 questions:

    Science fiction :ahee:

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    (Original post by The Rusty Spork)
    Doctor just leaves a troubled moron child with knowledge of who and what he is, as well as knowledge of who is Companion is, so valuable information on who to torture should someone want to get near the Doctor.

    The idiot child also has pictures that she has put on to Facebook or whatever. He didn't delete them, just told her to come and bring the TARDIS to him.

    Entire episode was a nonsense.

    Moon baby gives lays an egg bigger than it's entire mass :facepalm2:
    Could lead to an epic encounter for the finale where this is played upon. Could be why the Doctor has to come back and it is here that Clara (and Danny) go off with him. Or he picks up Clara and Danny in the next episode and they come back for the finale in which Courtney needs saving. It will then be here that Danny dies and leaves Clara broken and needing a 'Doctor'.

    (Original post by GCSEsitter)
    I actually think that capaldi could be a good doctor if he had a decent sorry line for once. I know the season has just started, but come on, I just re watched the silence in the library episodes and even that which was a pretty wacky plot beat all this series' episodes put together! Also, what happened to the master and the doctors daughter. If they brought them back and focused the plot on them rather than Clara it would turn the series around(for good)
    We're over half way. The last episode was 7/12.

    (Original post by Kool_Panda)
    Do you know what I miss. The 2-parters. Moffat seems to have just done away with them in favour of short and sweet nonsensical episodes that just seem rushed. Bar 'Blink' everyone's favourite episodes seem to be 2-parters. 'The Empty Child', 'The Impossible Planet', 'Aliens of London', and 'Silence in the Library' were all great 2-parters that are remembered as some of the best episodes of those series'. The saddest thing is that half of those that I've mentioned were actually written by Moffat. Come on Moffat, let's have some more 2-parters in the middle of the series. Ones where you can actually develop some sort of coherent and interesting plot.
    The best two parter was 'Human Nature/Family of Blood' in my opinion. :yep:

    I don't think that 'Aliens of London' was a good storyline. One of the worst stories for CE. The other three you mentioned were top notch however.
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    The only thing I like is it explains why humans started breaching out all over the Universe which the Doctor has refered to quite a bit in previous episodes.
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    This series has lacked (as has been mentioned) mid season two parters so that the stories can actually be developed properly and not lead to a rushed ending, I wouldn't mind actually if we had more two parters than stand alone episodes. But at least we get one for the series finale, and after Nightmare in Silver and Closing Time I'm hoping it's a good Cybermen story (unless they're on the periphery with more focus on Missy and Seb).
    This weekend's episode looks like it will be very similar to Voyage of the Damned, so far Listen and Time Heist are the only ones close to an original story the rest have been lesser versions of past episodes.
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    personally think that this has been the best series for ages
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    personally think that this has been the best series for ages
    Agreed. It's not really had a big hitter like a Vincent and the Doctor or Blink, but I can't think of a properly bad episode like a closing time. It's been a solid season, which is better than 1 good episode, 9 mediocre ones and a couple of bad episodes

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    I found it difficult to enjoy the last episode because I was so distracted by the bad science. I know it's science fiction but there is a limit to how much you can disobey fundamentals. Like the girl randomly flying because it's an 'unstable mass'. Or Clara's assertion that the moon is only egg shell so won't hurt.

    The idea was nice (though was a little reminiscent of the Star Whale episode) but I just thought the writing was a little rushed. The spiders seemed forced in to add some artificial tension - they could have been left out to allow the main concept to be unearthed more gradually and explore better. The final scene was acted well though, Peter Capaldi was great - it looked like he really didn't understand what he'd done wrong, fitting with this new doctor who isn't quite as plugged into the people around him.

    Also, wonderful that it's laid another baby but at some point that's going to hatch and kill people on Earth just like this one surely?
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    (Original post by KingStannis)
    personally think that this has been the best series for ages

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Agreed. It's not really had a big hitter like a Vincent and the Doctor or Blink, but I can't think of a properly bad episode like a closing time. It's been a solid season, which is better than 1 good episode, 9 mediocre ones and a couple of bad episodes

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    You people have such low standards lmao. Not a single memorable epidode. Worst series to date.
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    (Original post by Miracle Day)
    You people have such low standards lmao. Not a single memorable epidode. Worst series to date.
    Yes, the reason we think that is series has been better than the supposedly better descent series is low standards :doh: seriously though, not one of the episodes has been poor (I don't get complaints about unscientific for the most recent one - it's a sci-fi show, the entire premise of it is unscientific). It's been a solid season, which is much better than 1 good episode mixed with a few duds like recent series


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    (Original post by Miracle Day)
    You people have such low standards lmao. Not a single memorable epidode. Worst series to date.
    There's actually some quite clever stuff happening to analyse if you want to tbh.
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    Most Doctor Who episodes now just aren't what they used to be. The Empty Child has always been my favourite episode and, in my opinion, has never been surpassed by any other. It was genuinely terrifying (more terrifying than any Dalek episode, our parents must have been such scaredy cats!) which, sadly, just cannot be said for any other episode.
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    I've been having a Doctor Who marathon, seeing as I have netflix and pretty much all of the episodes are on there. I've been watching all the way from Christopher Eccleston, and now I've reached series 5.
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    (Original post by GCSEsitter)
    In my opinion, robot of sherwood was the worst episode I can remember
    It was okay but not the best. The only bit I really enjoyed was the part with the archery contest.
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    Tragic how downhill Doctor who has gone. It's the dialogue more than the tinpot stories that sour it for me. The jokes and overly witty dialogue is all too common. I watched some of the Tennant and Ecclestone episodes lately, I liked how while the stories were ludicrous and crazy (in a good way), the dialogue remained grounded in reality. These short sharp exchanges in the past few series with Clara just sap it of all its realism. The show has become draining to watch. On a positive note, Peter Capaldi is ****in excellent, so glad to finally have a Doctor the companion doesn't want to shag.
 
 
 
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