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    (Original post by Llewellyn)
    Tom Baker introduced himself as "the doctor", as did all others previously.

    If I know Moffat from Sherlock, then the "introducing John hurt..." part was not as literal as intended. If they wanted to do that directly then they would not have had that message at the end of the show. Think about it.
    Oh sorry, I misunderstood. When you said: "He was "the Doctor" before and after the time war, so that can't be correct." I thought you meant you thought the John Hurt version of the Doctor was the doctor before and after the time war, so I was a bit confused as to where you got this information from.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Question - Shortly after the Great Intelligence demanded The Doctor's name, he said something and as soon as he said that, the TARDIS opened, I know he didn't say his name but I didn't catch what he said (even though River said his name off screen).
    He said "please".
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Question - Shortly after the Great Intelligence demanded The Doctor's name, he said something and as soon as he said that, the TARDIS opened, I know he didn't say his name but I didn't catch what he said (even though River said his name off screen).
    The Great Intelligence: "DOCTOR. WHO!?"
    The Doctor: "PLEASE! (begging him to stop killing his friends)"

    Then the doors opened, because River said the Doctor's name.
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    Great episode but not as good as it could be, the Cyber episode last week remains the best since Pandorica.

    (Original post by Kieran?)
    My guess is that John Hurt (that's the name of the actor by the way) is a past incarnation of the Doctor who, at some point, was forced into killing someone - he said something along the lines of it not being by choice but because it was for peace? I can't think of much else that is not "in the name of the Doctor".

    Plus, it must presumably be at some point in the past i.e. pre any other form of the Doctor that we've seen since Matt Smith's Doctor is aware of the John Hurt guy. If it was in the future then surely he wouldn't have known who he was?
    I wonder if that incarnation was the one who slaughtered the Daleks and his own race, perhaps revealing his name caused that.

    (Original post by Llewellyn)
    If you want to speculate then there were some really huge unanswered questions in that episode. The most obvious concerning River, but the most important probably being the planet itself.
    River died in the library however she still has a telepathic link although she should have faded (a rescue perhaps in the future)?).
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    (Original post by StephenNaulls)
    What's actually going on? I'm so confused Can somebody explain?
    I'm thinking of it as the introduction to the 50th anniversary film. Just to make you understand a bit more.


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    (Original post by OMGWTFBBQ)
    Doctor Who just doesn't have the same "epicness" to it that it used to.

    Compare this finale to the two or three parter with The Master and you'll see just how far the quality has dipped.

    It's time for Moffat to bow out and to return to old style stories, not this childish rubbish.

    Very disappointed.
    I'd like series finales which make more sense. RTD's finales were a perfect mix of story and action in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Caitlin_dj)
    "There's an insane, thoroughly unsourced rumor floating around that the 50th Anniversary special's major guest star, legendary actor John Hurt, is going to be playing... the Doctor. And not just some future or alternate Doctor, but the real 9th Doctor, an incarnation that was somehow forgotten in the insanity of the Time War. And in case you're thinking this is all part of an absurdly elaborate "Screw you" to Christopher Eccleston, fear not — the rumor claims that, as Hurt emerges as the forgotten 9th Doctor, Eccleston becomes the 10th, David Tennant the 11th, and Matt Smith the 12th. While I can kind of imagine Steven Moffat doing something like that, if only to piss off insane fans like myself with retroactive renumbering, it's worth stressing that there's no clear source for this rumor at present, and even if there were, it would still be wise to take it with a grain of salt."

    One of my friends posted this - am finding out where she got it now but this might be it! Totally unsourced atm though
    John Hurt said it in an interview last week.
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    Anybody else think that this series had a subtext of "Wake up and see the world as it is?". Rather like Muse's The Resistance album.

    The first episode of "Unplug yourselves from the internet".

    This made me think of the moon landing conspiracy (Particularly when you see the external shot of the lights etc)
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    Yeah, from the dialogue in the last scene (I revisited it on iPlayer ) it sounds like John Hurt is some incarnation of the Doctor that besmirched the name and so wasn't able to call himself the Doctor, presumably reverting to his actual name. That would fit with the 'real 9th doctor' theory that's been mentioned on here.
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    there's only one way to clear all our minds free of confusion ... 28th November - the day we shall all know.


    now that sounds like the end of a Doctor Who episode
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    Could someone explain how John Hurt could be the real 9th Doctor? I can't really remember the Time War comes into this. Are people saying that the 8th Doctor reincarnated into John Hurt's Doctor - the real 9th Doctor - who then partook in the Time War and was presumably then wiped from history due to his actions that weren't "in the name of the Doctor"?
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    (Original post by An Ignorant Duck)
    I'd like series finales which make more sense. RTD's finales were a perfect mix of story and action in my opinion.
    I thought this episode made a lot of sense, except for the unanswered questions (which were left unanswered on purpose). Only thing that I felt didn't make sense was: why did Clara only see 11 faces+John Hurt?

    If the identity of who John Hurt plays (apparently confirmed in an interview) isn't a spoiler, then I don't know what is...
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    (Original post by Kieran?)
    Could someone explain how John Hurt could be the real 9th Doctor? I can't really remember the Time War comes into this. Are people saying that the 8th Doctor reincarnated into John Hurt's Doctor - the real 9th Doctor - who then partook in the Time War and was presumably then wiped from history due to his actions that weren't "in the name of the Doctor"?
    We don't know how it works yet. The "Ending the Time War" occurred between the 1994 film and then Eccleston's revive. The 1994 film ends with Paul McGann still alive and well, so somewhere along the line, he regenerated into Eccleston.

    From what I gathered of the final scene - John Hurt is a Doctor who revealed his name to the universe. How that plays into our original timeline, we have no idea!
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    I enjoyed the episode today. Nice little cliffhanger and enough unanswered questions for me to set 23rd November into my reminders.
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    I thought this episode made a lot of sense, except for the unanswered questions (which were left unanswered on purpose). Only thing that I felt didn't make sense was: why did Clara only see 11 faces+John Hurt?
    Maybe it's where the TARDIS was dying, it was to prevent future paradoxes?
    I think the TARDIS was dying, not dead in that episode.
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    (Original post by Caitlin_dj)
    "There's an insane, thoroughly unsourced rumor floating around that the 50th Anniversary special's major guest star, legendary actor John Hurt, is going to be playing... the Doctor. And not just some future or alternate Doctor, but the real 9th Doctor, an incarnation that was somehow forgotten in the insanity of the Time War. And in case you're thinking this is all part of an absurdly elaborate "Screw you" to Christopher Eccleston, fear not — the rumor claims that, as Hurt emerges as the forgotten 9th Doctor, Eccleston becomes the 10th, David Tennant the 11th, and Matt Smith the 12th. While I can kind of imagine Steven Moffat doing something like that, if only to piss off insane fans like myself with retroactive renumbering, it's worth stressing that there's no clear source for this rumor at present, and even if there were, it would still be wise to take it with a grain of salt."

    One of my friends posted this - am finding out where she got it now but this might be it! Totally unsourced atm though
    Just to pick up on this, I think it was the knee jerk reaction of everyone who had a reaction. Certainly my sister agrees and it was the first thing I thought of.

    The problem I have with the theory is the amount of unanswered questions it brings in relation to series 7, and I think there are other explanations that tie in better with accordance to not only River, Clara and the great intelligence but also better explain the minor details (e.g. the doctor (said) he understood "what awaits him"). Also it doesn't really explain why Tennant and Rose would return if the 50th anniversary is themed around his name - what happened, etc.

    I also think it's a bit too obvious for a Moffat plot. But that's not to say it's wrong at all, John Hurt could be the real ninth doctor. And if he is then there will be another twist instead.
    (Original post by Kieran?)
    Could someone explain how John Hurt could be the real 9th Doctor? I can't really remember the Time War comes into this. Are people saying that the 8th Doctor reincarnated into John Hurt's Doctor - the real 9th Doctor - who then partook in the Time War and was presumably then wiped from history due to his actions that weren't "in the name of the Doctor"?
    Pretty much. But if you look back on Eccleston's series (particularly his first few comments) then it doesn't entirely fit.
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    (Original post by Scienceisgood)
    Maybe it's where the TARDIS was dying, it was to prevent future paradoxes?
    I think the TARDIS was dying, not dead in that episode.
    So you think the TARDIS might have purposefully "blocked off" that part of the timeline from being accessed?
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    (Original post by Minion)
    Was confused as to what actually was the big revelation other than Trenzalor being his grave site. Also anyone think John Hurt's Doctor would be the one rumored to be the 'forgotten' Doctor or simply his final form..? Found it brilliant though brings it back to how much the Doctors existence really effects the universe.
    I've read in an article that
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    John Hurt is the forgotten ninth doctor. It's because he told the name of the doctor as we found out in this episode.
    I think of it as the teaser for the 50th anniversary
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    I thought this episode made a lot of sense, except for the unanswered questions (which were left unanswered on purpose). Only thing that I felt didn't make sense was: why did Clara only see 11 faces+John Hurt?

    If the identity of who John Hurt plays (apparently confirmed in an interview) isn't a spoiler, then I don't know what is...
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    We don't know how it works yet. The "Ending the Time War" occurred between the 1994 film and then Eccleston's revive. The 1994 film ends with Paul McGann still alive and well, so somewhere along the line, he regenerated into Eccleston.

    From what I gathered of the final scene - John Hurt is a Doctor who revealed his name to the universe. How that plays into our original timeline, we have no idea!
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    If you're right with that (and we never saw the 8th Doctor's regeneration - I don't know as I never saw the 8th Doctor film thing) then that means it all fits together perfectly, ta for explaining it!
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    (Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
    So you think the TARDIS might have purposefully "blocked off" that part of the timeline from being accessed?
    Best I can think of.
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    (Original post by An Ignorant Duck)
    I'd like series finales which make more sense. RTD's finales were a perfect mix of story and action in my opinion.
    What part of it didn't make sense?

    The Great intelligence forced the Doctor into going to his own grave by taking his friends hostages. The Doctor opens his own grave. Inside is a link to his entire life. The Great Intelligence enters this and begins rewriting it, turning his victories into defeats. This kills him. To stop him (or what he's trying to do), Clara enters and saves the doctor (across his timeline). Then the Doctor goes in after Clara to rescue her and he does.

    There have been far more confusing episodes than that.
 
 
 
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