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    (Original post by Chief Wiggum)
    Lol, I'd say essentially all Oxbridge students would have been better off just going to another Russell Group uni in that case.
    Maybe that's the case, but there is obviously more to Oxbridge than just future prospects.

    I very much doubt all Oxbridge 2:1 people would get a 1st elsewhere.


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    (Original post by Iamyourfather)
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    I hope you've done really well though.
    I haven't, due to being disabled :nopity:
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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    Maybe that's the case, but there is obviously more to Oxbridge than just future prospects.

    I very much doubt all Oxbridge 2:1 people would get a 1st elsewhere.


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    Perhaps not all, but I would wager most would go up at least a classification if they went to another RG uni.
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    (Original post by Nichrome)
    Perhaps not all, but I would wager most would go up at least a classification if they went to another RG uni.
    I agree. By the same token, though, I'm sure a fair few non-Oxbridge firsts would get a first at Oxbridge.

    I'm not saying I would have done, but some would.

    In my subject, I'd take a 2:1 from Oxbridge over a 1st from Aston. I'm pretty sure I'd keep my first over that 2:1 though- especially considering what I have gone on to afterwards.


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    Consider the universities. Someone who got into Oxford is highly intelligent. You don't have to be nearly as intelligent to get into Aston. So Oxford 2.1 student > Aston 1st student, la plupart du temps.
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    (Original post by The_Lonely_Goatherd)
    I haven't, due to being disabled :nopity:
    Oh, I'm sure you'll still do well regardless
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    (Original post by paradoxicalme)
    Consider the universities. Someone who got into Oxford is highly intelligent. You don't have to be nearly as intelligent to get into Aston. So Oxford 2.1 student > Aston 1st student, la plupart du temps.
    Even if we accept this as true, what makes you feel the Oxford 2:1 is greater than (and not equal to) the Aston first?
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    (Original post by Iamyourfather)
    Oh, I'm sure you'll still do well regardless
    Thanks :hugs:
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    (Original post by LexiswasmyNexis)
    I think any RG uni would stick you on a 'par'.


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    What makes you think Aston is worse than a RG, then?
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    (Original post by River85)
    Even if we accept this as true, what makes you feel the Oxford 2:1 is greater than (and not equal to) the Aston first?
    Standard at Oxford > Standard at Aston.
    So difficulty of Oxford degree > difficulty of Aston degree, and harshness of marking, by a large amount.
    So Oxford 1st > Aston 1st (by large margin) and Oxford 2.1 > Aston 1st (by smaller margin).
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    I think it is a silly question.
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    (Original post by River85)
    What makes you think Aston is worse than a RG, then?
    With all fairness, Aston is fairly equal to most Russell Uni's, such as B'ham, Southampton, L'pool etc. Aston isn't a RG, due to not having a medical school (I think that's the reason). Other Uni's such as, Leicester, loughborough and Bath aren't RG, but are equally great Uni's.

    In terms of prestige, Oxbridge beats Aston. Although, Aston is a great small campus uni with top employment stats. Quite a few apprentice candidates studied at Aston uni. Aston is only frowned up, because it is fairly unheard off, in certain places.

    Aston is my insurance, so I've wrote this without sounding too biased.
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    (Original post by River85)
    What makes you think Aston is worse than a RG, then?
    The variability of its expertise, mostly. Also it never seems to be mentioned in professional services as a key source of recruitment (and these are where my experiences and opinions have been formed).

    I have nothing against it per se- my mum used to teach there! Although, she said it was pretty dire and the students were apparently a bit dense.


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    I would go further and say that a 2:1 from Oxbridge is better than a first from almost anywhere else - certainly in terms of getting a job. However by comparison I'd say a 2:2 is a junk result, it would seem like you only got in because of rich parents.

    (This is for a general academic subject)
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    (Original post by River85)
    Even if we accept this as true, what makes you feel the Oxford 2:1 is greater than (and not equal to) the Aston first?
    it depends what subject you are doing to be honest, for some subjects; VERY few jobs will look @ what university you went to (ie law firms etc), the majority wont care at all and are only concerned about your uni grade and relevant experience in your field. A 2:1 from Oxbridge is good yes, but it's not as good as people hype it up to be. There are many grads from Cambridge/Oxford who come out and find it difficult to get a job so as you can see its a tough world out there and one has to be prepared to face it.

    Usually the people who always argue and say "cambridge/oxford are the best and anything else is not as good" are usually people who are just butthurt that they don't go to either institution. If you're good you're good it doesn't necessarily mean one who went to either institution (oxford/cam) is "more intelligent" in every way. There are so many examples of genius's who never went to oxford/cam but are possibly the most intelligent people on this earth.
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    I don't think it is hard to get onto a course at Leicester University as I know of two females who are not so clever and they are at Leicester. A lot of it is snobbery. A degree from Bolton is as good as Oxford.
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    (Original post by Iamyourfather)
    Oh I'm sorry, I wasn't aware. This thread should not be on this sub-forum.
    But it was posted here deliberately...
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    (Original post by scrotgrot)
    I would go further and say that a 2:1 from Oxbridge is better than a first from almost anywhere else - certainly in terms of getting a job. However by comparison I'd say a 2:2 is a junk result, it would seem like you only got in because of rich parents.

    (This is for a general academic subject)
    Really? Why are Oxfords graduate salaries and employment numbers falling behind LSE,UCL and Imperial then?

    The reign of Oxbridge is coming to an end IMO. Other universities are catching up
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    Not even comparable. A more apt comparison would be 2:2 or even a third from oxbridge or a first from Aston.
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    (Original post by KD35)
    Really? Why are Oxfords graduate salaries and employment numbers falling behind LSE,UCL and Imperial then?

    The reign of Oxbridge is coming to an end IMO. Other universities are catching up
    LSE and Imperial are specialist institutions. Oxbridge offer Classics, History of Art and all full of students who don't seek commercial careers in the city. You can't compare the two.

    Oxford and Cambridge are ahead of UCL for graduate salary/numbers arguably their closest multi faculty competitor.

    Argument successfully debunked.
 
 
 
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