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    I was just wondering does anyone else agree that the Western World is much better than the rest of the world? I mean in terms of how we behave, judicial system (i.e. besides America, most do not use the death penalty), culture (dodgy, I have respect for everyone's culture and it varies in all countries, i'm merely thinking in terms of openess and liberal attitudes.) Also, religion in relation to the state, I mean in the middle east, asia and Africa , religion comes before the state. i.e. If you walked down the street with a placard blaspheming against God, you would be arrested, that wouldnt happen in the west. Just the usual 'nutter' comments.

    In addition, in the West, freedom of speech is something we feel very proud of. The press (in general) can act as they want. The people of the West would never ever slip into, say, a Germany 1930s fiasco again. Voting the craziest ******* in the wolrd into power. (no reference's to bush please.)

    Would the world not be a better place if there was a Mcdonalds and a Tesco's on every 5th corner of cities like Bagdhad? Yes all cultures and religions should be maintained, but if all the countries of the world adhered to Western standards, wouldnt the world be a safer and better place?
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I was just wondering does anyone else agree that the Western World is much better than the rest of the world?

    Now that doesn't sound too elitist does it?
    I'm sure many a totalitarian dictator shared the same view about their part of the world.
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    You gotta look at discipline mate.
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    No I guess most parts are pretty similar, if you are born and grow up somewhere poor you don't say "I'm not having fun because I'm poor compared to...", the same here where we have things other people don't, but depression levels aren't any lower, becuase the thing humans do that levels things out is take things for granted.
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I was just wondering does anyone else agree that the Western World is much better than the rest of the world? I mean in terms of how we behave, judicial system (i.e. besides America, most do not use the death penalty), culture (dodgy, I have respect for everyone's culture and it varies in all countries, i'm merely thinking in terms of openess and liberal attitudes.) Also, religion in relation to the state, I mean in the middle east, asia and Africa , religion comes before the state. i.e. If you walked down the street with a placard blaspheming against God, you would be arrested, that wouldnt happen in the west. Just the usual 'nutter' comments.

    In addition, in the West, freedom of speech is something we feel very proud of. The press (in general) can act as they want. The people of the West would never ever slip into, say, a Germany 1930s fiasco again. Voting the craziest ******* in the wolrd into power. (no reference's to bush please.)

    Would the world not be a better place if there was a Mcdonalds and a Tesco's on every 5th corner of cities like Bagdhad? Yes all cultures and religions should be maintained, but if all the countries of the world adhered to Western standards, wouldnt the world be a safer and better place?
    the only good thing about globalisation is that countries work and can rely on each other. If there is a country with no information to other countries at all i.e. a closed country, the relative poverty factor will be eliminated, and i think that communism would work great. Sure maybe you think that capitalism is good for the economy, but to be fair, it is very unbalanced
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I was just wondering does anyone else agree that the Western World is much better than the rest of the world? I mean in terms of how we behave, judicial system (i.e. besides America, most do not use the death penalty), culture (dodgy, I have respect for everyone's culture and it varies in all countries, i'm merely thinking in terms of openess and liberal attitudes.) Also, religion in relation to the state, I mean in the middle east, asia and Africa , religion comes before the state. i.e. If you walked down the street with a placard blaspheming against God, you would be arrested, that wouldnt happen in the west. Just the usual 'nutter' comments.

    In addition, in the West, freedom of speech is something we feel very proud of. The press (in general) can act as they want. The people of the West would never ever slip into, say, a Germany 1930s fiasco again. Voting the craziest ******* in the wolrd into power. (no reference's to bush please.)

    Would the world not be a better place if there was a Mcdonalds and a Tesco's on every 5th corner of cities like Bagdhad? Yes all cultures and religions should be maintained, but if all the countries of the world adhered to Western standards, wouldnt the world be a safer and better place?
    Yes.
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    (Original post by Perdurabo)
    Now that doesn't sound too elitist does it?
    I'm sure many a totalitarian dictator shared the same view about their part of the world.
    That was just the opening sentence which related to my argument. If you had cared to read on you would have seen that I in no way discriminate against other people and countries. I have the ultimate respect for all cultures and religions. I am a total liberal person.
    Next time lets not take a single sentence from a post and think you are smart, most people will read beyond this to see that I was merely trying to generate a debate.
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I was just wondering does anyone else agree that the Western World is much better than the rest of the world? I mean in terms of how we behave, judicial system (i.e. besides America, most do not use the death penalty), culture (dodgy, I have respect for everyone's culture and it varies in all countries, i'm merely thinking in terms of openess and liberal attitudes.) Also, religion in relation to the state, I mean in the middle east, asia and Africa , religion comes before the state. i.e. If you walked down the street with a placard blaspheming against God, you would be arrested, that wouldnt happen in the west. Just the usual 'nutter' comments.

    In addition, in the West, freedom of speech is something we feel very proud of. The press (in general) can act as they want. The people of the West would never ever slip into, say, a Germany 1930s fiasco again. Voting the craziest ******* in the wolrd into power. (no reference's to bush please.)

    Would the world not be a better place if there was a Mcdonalds and a Tesco's on every 5th corner of cities like Bagdhad? Yes all cultures and religions should be maintained, but if all the countries of the world adhered to Western standards, wouldnt the world be a safer and better place?
    The western world is better through the eyes of us because we grew up with it's values, I'm sure many people (including my parents) will disagree that the west is best, it's probably fairest to concede that the east and west have good points and bad. Yes freedom of speech is important...but macdonalds is not. In fact i can't stand macdonalds, its a really unethical company.

    Given time I'm sure bagdhad would develop it's own domestic chain stores, it doesn't need tescos etc which is so predominantly english and will only cater for english tastes.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    the only good thing about globalisation is that countries work and can rely on each other. If there is a country with no information to other countries at all i.e. a closed country, the relative poverty factor will be eliminated, and i think that communism would work great. Sure maybe you think that capitalism is good for the economy, but to be fair, it is very unbalanced
    I can see the ideology of communism is good. It can, however, be in no way implemented. In simple terms, there is no demand for it anymore. The dictators of the Stalin era twisted and warped Marx's views for their own benefit. The ideology was meant to be better for the rest of the world.

    Personally, I'm a socialist and dislike right-wing America. (it is more or less totally right-wing throughout, that is different from a country with political parties that greatly vary in outlook.)
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I can see the ideology of communism is good. It can, however, be in no way implemented. In simple terms, there is no demand for it anymore. The dictators of the Stalin era twisted and warped Marx's views for their own benefit. The ideology was meant to be better for the rest of the world.

    Personally, I'm a socialist and dislike right-wing America. (it is more or less totally right-wing throughout, that is different from a country with political parties that greatly vary in outlook.)
    you are right, communism is not worked properly at the moment and yes USA's capitalism is very bad
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    The western world is better through the eyes of us because we grew up with it's values, I'm sure many people (including my parents) will disagree that the west is best, it's probably fairest to concede that the east and west have good points and bad. Yes freedom of speech is important...but macdonalds is not. In fact i can't stand macdonalds, its a really unethical company.

    Given time I'm sure bagdhad would develop it's own domestic chain stores, it doesn't need tescos etc which is so predominantly english and will only cater for english tastes.
    You've taken my words a bit too literally there. I wasn't referring to America and British domination through coporate business. I merely meant something similar to mcdonalds and Tescos. There's nothing wrong with the "east" having it's own brand names.
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    As much as I love living here in London, I hope to spend most of my life in the East, most likely in Japan. The Western world has become pretty boring and cultures between countries don't diverse much. In the East, it's totally different and that's what makes it a great place to live in.

    So in my opinion, if all countries worldwide adhered to Western standards, it wouldn't be right because it's not right to consider the West as being better than the East, simply because it's different. My guess is that most of you guys who say the West is better is because you have never travelled to the West or experienced it before. Just because people do something which might be considered weird in your culture doesn't necessarily make it wrong.

    If this question was asked in the East, they would say exactly the same things about the West like you guys are saying about the East.
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I can see the ideology of communism is good. It can, however, be in no way implemented. In simple terms, there is no demand for it anymore. The dictators of the Stalin era twisted and warped Marx's views for their own benefit. The ideology was meant to be better for the rest of the world.

    Personally, I'm a socialist and dislike right-wing America. (it is more or less totally right-wing throughout, that is different from a country with political parties that greatly vary in outlook.)
    You're right, communism can never be implemented properly because firms lose the profit motive and people lose the motive to strive for a better life or career (after all who's going to care if they fail school as long as the dear old gov provides). In time a communist society will fall backwards with development. I suspect many ambitious people will simply emigrate to countries which are more supportive of personal success.
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    (Original post by Mysticmin)
    You're right, communism can never be implemented properly because firms lose the profit motive and people lose the motive to strive for a better life or career (after all who's going to care if they fail school as long as the dear old gov provides). In time a communist society will fall backwards with development. I suspect many ambitious people will simply emigrate to countries which are more supportive of personal success.
    yea thats right, as i said if a country is closed and the population have no information to or from the outside world, communism would work. As i said, there is an elimination of the sense of relative poverty (e.g. no comparisons of living standards). Ok these might be very unrealistic but it is not impossible to implement if extreme methods are taken seriously over time
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    That was just the opening sentence which related to my argument. If you had cared to read on you would have seen that I in no way discriminate against other people and countries. I have the ultimate respect for all cultures and religions. I am a total liberal person.
    Next time lets not take a single sentence from a post and think you are smart, most people will read beyond this to see that I was merely trying to generate a debate.
    I don't think I'm smart, I certainly wouldn't wish to see myself above other people as some seem to think the west should. Who are we to say the west is better?
    The western world is driven by capitalism and money, with multi-national companies screwing over weaker nations; GAP and Nestle being two examples that spring to mind. Yeah, maybe its nice for people to strive for personal success and they certainyl get a chance to do this in the west. But ultimately if this means they end up pulling away from people that need help, then i dont want to be a part of that.

    My sister went trekking in Nepal and I would have to agree with her that on the whole they can live an enriched life, free from the pressures that we find in the west. Ergo, some parts of the 'eastern' world might see themselves as being better than the west. And i dont think this view would be unfounded.
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    (Original post by TheWolf)
    yea thats right, as i said if a country is closed and the population have no information to or from the outside world, communism would work. As i said, there is an elimination of the sense of relative poverty (e.g. no comparisons of living standards). Ok these might be very unrealistic but it is not impossible to implement if extreme methods are taken seriously over time
    A country should never be closed to the outside world though. It leads to idealism that that peron's country is better than another, and eventualyl we get wars as a result. Lpok at North Korea, almsot shut-out and they live in extreme poverty - again communism being warped. Communism is dead in the world as we know it, even China and Cuba are edging towards capitalism.
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    we'll see how sustainable capitalism is
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    (Original post by Perdurabo)
    I don't think I'm smart, I certainly wouldn't wish to see myself above other people as some seem to think the west should. Who are we to say the west is better?
    The western world is driven by capitalism and money, with multi-national companies screwing over weaker nations; GAP and Nestle being two examples that spring to mind. Yeah, maybe its nice for people to strive for personal success and they certainyl get a chance to do this in the west. But ultimately if this means they end up pulling away from people that need help, then i dont want to be a part of that.

    My sister went trekking in Nepal and I would have to agree with her that on the whole they can live an enriched life, free from the pressures that we find in the west. Ergo, some parts of the 'eastern' world might see themselves as being better than the west. And i dont think this view would be unfounded.
    I don't see that as an attack on me, considering that i'm a socialist and would never pull away from people that need help.
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    (Original post by Woodsy)
    I don't see that as an attack on me, considering that i'm a socialist and would never pull away from people that need help.
    I never said it was, old bean. You said you wanted to bring up a debate and I was just making my contribution to say that the West is not best.
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    (Original post by Perdurabo)
    I never said it was, old bean. You said you wanted to bring up a debate and I was just making my contribution to say that the West is not best.
    Your contributions are welcomed, old mucker. lol.
 
 
 

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