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    Since the states with high rates of concealed carry permits and general gun ownership tend to show significantly lower rates of crime and murder, why do so many people insist on restricting the gun rights of American citizens? Is that really going to help anyone in any way?
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    Universal backround checks, I think will partially solve the issue.
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    There's nothing in my opinion America can do to stop the widespread ownership of guns and their inevitable consequences. Presuming by minimise their problems you mean limit gun ownership. People in America have so many guns it will become impossible to police their ownership, it has become an impossible task, a bit like El salvador and drug gangs. Of course many people who own guns in American own guns for self-defense against thos who have other guns (makes no sense).

    Crucially American has reached a critical mass of gun ownership, sales and manufacture. If someone wants a gun, it will be very simple even if in the future their are limits. Person to person trade will be impossible to control, short of banning guns all together, there's nothing that will stop attacks. The people that commit attacks will continue to do so, wether by legal means or not.

    By policing guns you may reduce the number of domestic gun violence but mass murders will still happen. Family feuds and the like will stop but that necessarily isn't the problem. Unprovoked attacks by mentally unstable people, is what is the problem... The only way to stop this is to change America's society and culture which won't be happening soon.
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    Ban 3D printers.
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    Whilst I would be in favour of banning guns outright, there's a much more effective solution. Educate people. Americans are so childishly protective of their sacred amendments that most are incapable of rational thought Re gun control and this isn't even addressing the disgusting fact that people appear to love possessing weapons that kill. It's not about self protection, it's about power. Self protection is simply an excuse people talk themselves into. If we manage to break down the insane social ideas surrounding guns and force people to accept that guns are nothing more than murder machines, the situation would solve itself.

    Guns don't make you safe. The fact of the matter is that the US has a gun crime rate that eclipses that of countries with gun control like the UK and statistics show that people possessing guns are more likely to be victims of gun crime and very often their own guns are used against them. Guns sound great in theory and people feel safe if they have one, but the truth is very different.


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    (Original post by combbrah)
    Since the states with high rates of concealed carry permits and general gun ownership tend to show significantly lower rates of crime and murder, why do so many people insist on restricting the gun rights of American citizens? Is that really going to help anyone in any way?
    Surely you cannot think that having guns is better than not. Just look at England! We have very few shootings (I think it's less than ten though I may be wrong) and I, personally, have ever even seen a real gun outside of the context of some sort of remembrance day march or something like that and I'm sure very few people I know have either. America have over 10'000 shootings every year and I'm sure even a child will tell you they've seen a gun before... or even held/shot one!

    Whilst guns themselves do not cause the issue they certainly enable gun violence. If someone in England suddenly "snapped" then wouldn't just be able to go to their parents gun cabinet and get the hunting rifles or handguns or even machine guns (?!?! ridiculous) because it is simply not available to them. This is why, in general, we do not have those sorts of shootings!

    One problem, as I'm sure you're aware of, is that if guns are banned then there would be no way to retrieve them all and they would remain in the hands of criminals. This is what makes the issue so complex though I still feel as though, if they were outlawed now, the presence of guns would slowly decrease. Also, as pretty much every gun is registered and assigned to someone, it would not be too difficult to penalise somebody for not handing in their gun.

    Also, you say "gun rights". Now why is having a weapon that has the power to take somebody's life a "right"?
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    (Original post by Jkn)
    Also, you say "gun rights". Now why is having a weapon that has the power to take somebody's life a "right"?
    This. This this this.




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    (Original post by Jkn)
    Also, you say "gun rights". Now why is having a weapon that has the power to take somebody's life a "right"?
    Because, 200+ yrs ago a bunch of Americans decided that they'd include the line "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

    As that is the overriding law of the land, it stays, no matter how archaic the document is thought of by people.
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    (Original post by Jkn)
    Surely you cannot think that having guns is better than not. Just look at England! We have very few shootings (I think it's less than ten though I may be wrong) and I, personally, have ever even seen a real gun outside of the context of some sort of remembrance day march or something like that and I'm sure very few people I know have either. America have over 10'000 shootings every year and I'm sure even a child will tell you they've seen a gun before... or even held/shot one!

    Whilst guns themselves do not cause the issue they certainly enable gun violence. If someone in England suddenly "snapped" then wouldn't just be able to go to their parents gun cabinet and get the hunting rifles or handguns or even machine guns (?!?! ridiculous) because it is simply not available to them. This is why, in general, we do not have those sorts of shootings!

    One problem, as I'm sure you're aware of, is that if guns are banned then there would be no way to retrieve them all and they would remain in the hands of criminals. This is what makes the issue so complex though I still feel as though, if they were outlawed now, the presence of guns would slowly decrease. Also, as pretty much every gun is registered and assigned to someone, it would not be too difficult to penalise somebody for not handing in their gun.

    Also, you say "gun rights". Now why is having a weapon that has the power to take somebody's life a "right"?
    Most of those murder figures come from specific areas/cities where there are massive amounts of gang activity, far more than over here in the UK. Still, America does have a gun problem but no idea why you think removing guns from law abiding citizens (who are the only ones who will hand their weapons in) is going to do anything to reduce murder. The presence of guns is not going to decrease - guns last countless years with minimal maintenance and all those firearms in circulation among criminals will remain there, whilst everyone else is disarmed and has to wait 20 minutes for the police to arrive should anything happen.

    The ability to defend yourself from harm is a right. There is no other tool that allows you to effectively defend yourself like a gun does - name one other device that makes a 5"0 100lb woman as strong as a 6"5 300lb man? You can't. American's therefore believe that gun ownership provides the ability to defend oneself where in many cases it would not be possible otherwise. That is obviously something which people have varying opinions on.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
    This. This this this.

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    Because, 200+ yrs ago a bunch of Americans decided that they'd include the line "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed" in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution.

    As that is the overriding law of the land, it stays, no matter how archaic the document is thought of by people.
    Oh how I hate American patriotism :rolleyes:
    (Original post by combbrah)
    Most of those murder figures come from specific areas/cities where there are massive amounts of gang activity, far more than over here in the UK.
    I'm not sure whether or not the majority of shootings are gang related but, even if they are, the majority of victims are certainly not parts of gangs.
    Still, America does have a gun problem but no idea why you think removing guns from law abiding citizens (who are the only ones who will hand their weapons in) is going to do anything to reduce murder.
    Well, as I have said this is a complex issue and so such a simple strategy is likely to yield the proper results. I'm fairly sure that tightening up the laws and stopping organisations like the NRA from brainwashing young children with advertisements as well as gun rallies that are 'fun for all the family' (?!?! madness) is certainly not going to increase the problem :rolleyes:
    The presence of guns is not going to decrease - guns last countless years with minimal maintenance and all those firearms in circulation among criminals will remain there, whilst everyone else is disarmed and has to wait 20 minutes for the police to arrive should anything happen.

    The ability to defend yourself from harm is a right. There is no other tool that allows you to effectively defend yourself like a gun does - name one other device that makes a 5"0 100lb woman as strong as a 6"5 300lb man? You can't. American's therefore believe that gun ownership provides the ability to defend oneself where in many cases it would not be possible otherwise.
    "Defend yourself" :lol: I don't know anyone that has ever got in such a situation in their lives! When are you ever possibly going to get into a situation where someone is in your home.. trying to kill you... and yet you conveniently have time to go and find your gun and ammunition. Now would you do this before or after you save your wife, kids, dog, cat and goldfish? :lol: Furthermore, surely if someone was trying to kill you they would make sure they do it at a time when you don't have access to your gun! Or perhaps by self defence you mean the hundreds of unarmed burglars who are shot every year... do they deserve death? And the cherry on top: what about the fact that you are more likely to shoot and kill a member of your own family than you are an intruder? Surely this exemplifies how willing some people are to shoot and kill people you are nothing more than petty thieves and are, in no way, endangering peoples lives.

    That is obviously something which people have varying opinions on.
    I think this is fair to say :lol:
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    The only sensible course of action is to remove these stupid no gun zones that exist, especially around schools. All this does is mean that the bad guys are the only ones armed and is essentially a safe zone for gun men to kill people.

    We should be training teachers and other public workers in the use of handguns.
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    (Original post by Jkn)
    Oh how I hate American patriotism
    I am no American. I merely point out the law that Americans are adhering to.

    It also has little to do with patriotism. Their law gives them the right, so many of them maintain that right.
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    (Original post by Jkn)


    Oh how I hate American patriotism :rolleyes:

    I'm not sure whether or not the majority of shootings are gang related but, even if they are, the majority of victims are certainly not parts of gangs.

    Well, as I have said this is a complex issue and so such a simple strategy is likely to yield the proper results. I'm fairly sure that tightening up the laws and stopping organisations like the NRA from brainwashing young children with advertisements as well as gun rallies that are 'fun for all the family' (?!?! madness) is certainly not going to increase the problem :rolleyes:

    "Defend yourself" :lol: I don't know anyone that has ever got in such a situation in their lives! When are you ever possibly going to get into a situation where someone is in your home.. trying to kill you... and yet you conveniently have time to go and find your gun and ammunition. Now would you do this before or after you save your wife, kids, dog, cat and goldfish? :lol: Furthermore, surely if someone was trying to kill you they would make sure they do it at a time when you don't have access to your gun! Or perhaps by self defence you mean the hundreds of unarmed burglars who are shot every year... do they deserve death? And the cherry on top: what about the fact that you are more likely to shoot and kill a member of your own family than you are an intruder? Surely this exemplifies how willing some people are to shoot and kill people you are nothing more than petty thieves and are, in no way, endangering peoples lives.


    I think this is fair to say :lol:
    What? Do you know how many people use their guns to deter crime in the states every year, vs. the amount of people who "accidentally kill their family member".

    If you're seriously using that bull**** Kellerman "study" as evidence for your argument then there isn't much point debating with you
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    (Original post by Drewski)
    It also has little to do with patriotism. Their law gives them the right, so many of them maintain that right.
    Well it feels like it does. Given that people see the second amendment as going hand in hand with "what it means to be an american"
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    What? Do you know how many people use their guns to deter crime in the states every year, vs. the amount of people who "accidentally kill their family member".
    Well personally I do not see them as a deterrent. In a society that has law enforcement officers who carry weapons on daily patrols as well as guns being a common household item, rather than crime being deterred, all that happens is that it is necessary for criminals to have guns!

    Your average citizen will think that, if they commit a crime, they risk being shot (for example, if they robbed a shop they may be shot by the owners or law enforcement upon arrival). But does this deter crime? Certainly not! It just means that, if you're going to rob a shop, you better make sure you have a gun of your own! Which can easily escalate!

    What makes you think that weapons decrease conflict? If there were no guns then the war on crime will be fought via. other less-voilent means and the criminal are unlikely to need to have guns!

    Consider this: if all countries had nuclear weapons, would the world be a safer place?
    If you're seriously using that bull**** Kellerman "study" as evidence for your argument then there isn't much point debating with you
    Well I don't know what study you are referring to but, as I said, I'm not sure how accurate my statistics are.
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    (Original post by Chlorophile)
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    I think you're missing the point of micro-debating, which is that all replies must be 140 characters or less.
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    1. UK-style gun control & 2. Reduce income inequality http://www.equalitytrust.org.uk/research/violence
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    (Original post by Origami Bullets)
    I think you're missing the point of micro-debating, which is that all replies must be 140 characters or less.
    Sorry! I didn't even know a micro-debating section existed on this site.
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    Deport all those who oppose the right to bear arms onto an island and send trigger happy police over to protect them.
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    Nothing, we have the right to bear arms. I don't know why all over the sudden U.K. needs to start policing U.S. with its moral standards or any other country for that matter on weaponry *waits for someone to respond with "U.S. polices everyone"*, this is why U.K. is in a rut, it's higher-moral status will eventually be the end of it. People in U.K. seem to be afraid of expressing themselves, afraid to offend anyone, etc maybe because they have that sense of self righteousness? I always found the "We don't need guns, we can solve everything without using force because we're better" quite arrogant for some reason, have no idea why though.

    I just don't get why England in particular won't get a grip and stop with it's morality B.S. and finally say "No" instead of always trying to be politically correct. Either way, you can't compare U.K. to U.S. first of all, U.S. is bigger. California and Texas have over 61+ million people (not including illegal aliens) and that's only the two states and U.K. has what? Like 62/63 million? Why doesn't Russia ever get ****? I mean the mainland of Russia, not including the wasteland that is Siberia. It's 10x worse than U.S., political corruption, a lot more hate groups than U.S., crime runs free and police won't do a thing because they are as corrupt, I could go on. But I digress, in a way I'm doing the same as most, putting blame on Russia. It's just interesting, why nobody cares about what **** Russia does. I mean it's the mecca of gun and drug distribution to the rest of the Europe. Not to mention sex trade. Most of the illegal weapons in U.K. are Russian made and Russian imported. But whatever, that's just my opinion.
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    Just ban em and be done with it.
 
 
 
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