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    So I'm a soon to be medicine applicant for 2014 entry and I've been thinking a lot about my back up option. Recently I have really drawn to the idea of studying nursing if I don't get a medicine offer next year. However when I have voiced this to other people I haven't gotten the best reactions, so I was just wondering why? I know that nurses are not as well respected as doctors are but besides basic prestige why are nurses so looked down upon?


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    I don't know, a lot of it's snobbery I guess.

    I wanted to apply to do nursing when I was 17 but was talked out of it by my tutors. They kept telling me I was too academic to do, the degree wouldn't be prestigious enough etc. I regret letting them talk me out of it and this year I'm going back to do a post grad course to qualify as a nurse.
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    I'd like to stress that the following are not my views. I'm just trying to explain how the average person with no healthcare experience thinks.

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    I think it must be historical - the connotations of the word 'nurse' tend to be of a job for women, whilst if you were an 'intelligent, educated man' you would be a doctor. Also, there's the fact that it's only recently become a university course, and it used to be an 'apprenticeship' type of job, associated with people who didn't go to university.


    That's about the only reason I can think of, because aside from obviously not needing all the eight years' training of being a doctor, nursing is a fairly technical profession, not to mention an extremely valuable one.

    I would imagine that the reactions you have had come from the fact that you are currently applying for medicine, and your friends see it as a step down. It all depends on whether you care more about prestige or about having a worthwhile job you enjoy.
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    I think it's arrogance, really. Most people I know look up to nurses for the job they do because it is a tough and valuable job. But you get the people who think they're "too good" for that - seeing nurses as a step-down in the hierarchy; seeing it as an easier job: that all the smart people become doctors, and the stupid ones become nurses.
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    Honestly? I'll buck the trend and say there is a clear academic difference between doctors and nurses. That's easy to see by looking at university entry requirements.

    If you were getting AAA and applying for not-nursing uni courses that were CCC, wouldn't people also speak out then? I think the main objection people in education will have is about academic potential: They think that if you can get AAA, you should use it, rightly or wrongly.

    There definitely is a perception of nursing thing going too though (based mainly on hisotry but also on reality - nursing is a less academic job, fact).

    If you've done your research, got your experience and know that nursing is what you want to do though, i encourage you to go for it. There is absolutely no reason why someone can't prefer nursing over medicine (or consider it a valid alternative), no matter what your teachers say.
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    Another explanation could be social changes in shifting ('skimming off') of a demographic of people from going into nursing to being doctors instead now and subsequent reduction in prestige of nursing over time.

    I.e. historically nursing may have been one of only very few socially acceptable professional career options for unmarried intelligent woman (along with school teacher etc.) - now if women of comparable intelligence are interested in healthcare as a career there are far fewer barriers to going the doctor route instead.
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    Academic level isn't the only measure of how worthwhile a job is though.

    I think my point is being less academic isn't really a reason to look down on someone. When choosing a University course obviously your academic ability is an important factor but you also have to consider what you want to do career wise for the rest of your adult life.
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    I think everything is looked down upon by medicine, it's seen as the top profession in many peoples eyes. The reason? ignorance and snobbery mostly
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    I'd say one reason is pay and another is that there's less room to advance your career
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    (Original post by HugsAndKisses_xo)
    So I'm a soon to be medicine applicant for 2014 entry and I've been thinking a lot about my back up option. Recently I have really drawn to the idea of studying nursing if I don't get a medicine offer next year. However when I have voiced this to other people I haven't gotten the best reactions, so I was just wondering why? I know that nurses are not as well respected as doctors are but besides basic prestige why are nurses so looked down upon?


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    I have absolutely no idea. I strongly considered nursing, however I have chosen to pursue medicine as it can offer more job satisfaction for me, as a person.

    However the hostility towards nurses disgusts me.
    'Wannabe doctor'
    'Too stupid to study medicine'
    It's as though nurses know nothing, that they are utterly useless and are simply 'bum wipers'. How dare people rip apart such a vital profession, let alone destroy the confidence of those in it.

    I met an older woman, 37. She was at a foundation medical interview alongside myself. All I heard her say was that 'if you want to be a doctor, how do you not say anything bad about nurses?' Amongst other rude, cryde things. I find that this attitude comes from those, like this woman, who glorify doctors and turn their nose up at other professions.

    Either that or she was just a poisonous old *****.

    /rant
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    Pay is ****e and they hardly get any praise for the fantastic job they do.
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    If you've done your research, got your experience and know that nursing is what you want to do though, i encourage you to go for it. There is absolutely no reason why someone can't prefer nursing over medicine, no matter what your teachers say.
    None of that is what was said. She's considering it as a back-up in the event of not getting medicine offers. Medicine, then, remains the preferred choice.

    I'm heartened by it. Certainly, I'd far sooner have a doctor whose plan B was nursing than one whose fallback was banking or accounting.
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    In terms of academics obviously I did notice the big difference between entry requirements for medicine and for nursing, and it got me thinking why? Because surely to become a nurse you need to have a pretty decent academic ability simply due to the nature of the job (the science and human biology involved). I'm not saying that they need to be of the same ability as doctors but, not to offend anyone, surely not as low as CCC. So I came to the conclusion that it is due to the lack of applicants to the courses. Nurses are constantly in high demand yet the number if applicants to their courses is lacking. Medicine is a highly competitive course to get into which I think is partly the reason why the grade entry requirements are so high. Lets face it 10 years ago the entry requirements for medicine were nothing like today so presumably they've just increased as the number of applicants have increased. Saying that medicine has always been a rigorous course so you need to have some academic ability.

    To me after looking at a wide range of different courses, nursing seems to be the occupation most similar to medicine, well being a doctor (excluding the more streamline courses such as radiotherapy, pharmacy, etc). So I'm wondering why a lot of people don't choose it as a back up option . Is there something I'm missing?! Lol.



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    Because surely to become a nurse you need to have a pretty decent academic ability simply due to the nature of the job (the science and human biology involved).
    Not really. I mean, don't get me wrong, modern nurses have many roles that do require medical knowledge - nurse practitioners prescribe drugs, nurses are the ones who triage patients, specialist nurses are often the ones patients find the most knowledgable about their disease... but there really isn't the same level of science and you don't need very high requirements. Ultimately, and i say this with the utmost of respect for nurses and the job they do, doctors are the ones who make all the clinical and scientific decisions.

    So I came to the conclusion that it is due to the lack of applicants to the courses.
    Its one of the most oversubscribed degrees you can do.

    In fact, i'm not sure how they'd feel about a medicine PS - might be worth asking someone in a nursing thread.
 
 
 
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