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    Hi all,

    I have offers to study ESPS at UCL (full economic specialisation, with German) and PPE at Warwick. Whilst I understand Warwick and UCL are perceived as having equal prestige in economics, I was slightly concerned whether the ESPS (European Political and Social Studies) sounded slightly wishy washy, even though it is a four year course and you finish with a BA (vs a BSc in Warwick PPE).

    Grateful for any guidance you could provide esp. in regards to careers/post grad study.
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    (Original post by Redshirt)
    Hi all,

    I have offers to study ESPS at UCL (full economic specialisation, with German) and PPE at Warwick. Whilst I understand Warwick and UCL are perceived as having equal prestige in economics, I was slightly concerned whether the ESPS (European Political and Social Studies) sounded slightly wishy washy, even though it is a four year course and you finish with a BA (vs a BSc in Warwick PPE).

    Grateful for any guidance you could provide esp. in regards to careers/post grad study.
    PPE by far is considered more rigorous and at Warwick it is probably second after Oxford.

    I have never heard of ESPS, until now, and I guess that speaks for itself.

    Nonetheless, congratulations on both your offers as they are from great establishments.
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    (Original post by Lunch_Box)
    PPE by far is considered more rigorous and at Warwick it is probably second after Oxford.

    I have never heard of ESPS, until now, and I guess that speaks for itself.

    Nonetheless, congratulations on both your offers as they are from great establishments.
    Thanks for your comment.

    I've often heard that the prospects after doing an economics related degree are influenced more by the grade you achieve and the institution you go to, rather than the course itself. If you agree with this, would you say that there is not much difference between choosing UCL ESPS and Warwick PPE? I.E. Are the opportunities the same, provided I get a 1st in either degree?
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    (Original post by Redshirt)
    Thanks for your comment.

    I've often heard that the prospects after doing an economics related degree are influenced more by the grade you achieve and the institution you go to, rather than the course itself. If you agree with this, would you say that there is not much difference between choosing UCL ESPS and Warwick PPE? I.E. Are the opportunities the same, provided I get a 1st in either degree?
    First of all, I'm not an employer so I can't give you an accurate answer.

    My opinion on this would be that prestige probably does trump the degree.

    That being said, Warwick and UCL are seen in equal prestige in these fields, although UCL is probably more globally recognised only because it has 'London' in its name.

    If you look at investment banking, for instance, both universities are in the target group alongside Oxbridge, LSE, and Imperial.

    Good luck whatever you choose.
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    (Original post by Redshirt)
    Thanks for your comment.

    I've often heard that the prospects after doing an economics related degree are influenced more by the grade you achieve and the institution you go to, rather than the course itself. If you agree with this, would you say that there is not much difference between choosing UCL ESPS and Warwick PPE? I.E. Are the opportunities the same, provided I get a 1st in either degree?
    I'm afraid there is a world of difference... when you're applying for an extremely competitive jobs in banking and finance. For example, UBS would look at your PPE degree and consider it as a legit entry qualification for a post in their bank. I'm afraid the same cannot be said for the ESPS from UCL. If you want to be competitive in banking coming out of UCL, I'd suggest you take up a program that are already tested. In such case, I'd suggest you take up economics there. At Warwick, aside from PPE, other programs are also considered as top feeders to banking and consulting jobs. These are maths, MORSE, MMORSE, BSc Management, Economics and BSc A&F.
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    I'm afraid there is a world of difference... when you're applying for an extremely competitive jobs in banking and finance. For example, UBS would look at your PPE degree and consider it as a legit entry qualification for a post in their bank. I'm afraid the same cannot be said for the ESPS from UCL. If you want to be competitive in banking coming out of UCL, I'd suggest you take up a program that are already tested. In such case, I'd suggest you take up economics there. At Warwick, aside from PPE, other programs are also considered as top feeders to banking and consulting jobs. These are maths, MORSE, MMORSE, BSc Management, Economics and BSc A&F.
    Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your honesty. I noticed that you emphasise the economic/mathematical content in the courses you suggest. Is this essential for competitive jobs in banking/finance? ESPS does allow economics specialisation, alongside German, so would this also be sufficient?
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    (Original post by Redshirt)
    Thanks for your comment. I appreciate your honesty. I noticed that you emphasise the economic/mathematical content in the courses you suggest. Is this essential for competitive jobs in banking/finance? ESPS does allow economics specialisation, alongside German, so would this also be sufficient?
    Most employers of top banks and financial institutions are attracted to applicants with superb mathematical backgrounds that's why if you've noticed, those same banks hire grads with maths and MORSE undergrad degrees too not just economics. It is also important that your grades are great and you know very well how to carry yourself during interviews. There are tons of student-run orgs at Warwick where your skills in those areas will be honed.
 
 
 
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