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    Will people in the future look back and consider the homophobic attitudes of our age - whether inspired by religion or not - backwards, primitive and illogical?

    Is to be homophobic to be on the wrong side of history?
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    That's like asking if the KKK is on the wrong side of history...

    Edit: Negs? Seriously? Well, looks like TSR has some Klan members of their very own!
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    What's the point in threads like this? Everyone just pats each other on the back for being so progressive and open-minded, and nothing of any importance gets discussed.
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    TSR seems to be full of homosexuality threads lately.
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    Religious Conservatism is almost always on the wrong side of history...


    EDIT: Instead of negging how about engaging in some kind of debate? lol. Challenge my statement, don't just neg.
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    (Original post by Arnob204)
    What's the point in threads like this? Everyone just pats each other on the back for being so progressive and open-minded, and nothing of any importance gets discussed.
    You either agree with the thread proposal or not - that's the basis for discussion.
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    Society can shift both ways, when will people understand this? It was acceptable in ancient Greece to have openly homosexual relationships heck certain crack divisions of the many Greek city states had rituals of "brotherly bonding" and we know what happened afterwards.
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    (Original post by JoffreyBaratheon)
    You either agree with the thread proposal or not - that's the basis for discussion.
    But if you disagree you're a homophobe right?
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    Not necessarily. People generally have a poor understanding of sexual liberty. In the Middle Ages, for example, everyone was merrily shagging everything from their sisters to their sheep. It wasn't politicised. Sex only became remotely shameful when the Puritans came in in the 1500s and 1600s. And even then the rich, who are usually above all forms of persecution, still carried on with their "any hole's a goal" attitude.

    "Victorian times", as well, were not sexually austere, not really. This was the era when pornography could first be widely distributed. With wearying predictability, every time a new-fangled photographic/film technique was mastered, it was leapt upon by pornographers.

    On a smaller scale, sexually and socially liberal periods ebb and flow, largely dictated by how well the economy's doing. Sexually liberal decades include the 1890s, 1920s, 1960s and 1990s. (For the provinces/normal people's experiences, you can delay the trends by a decade.)

    We are therefore coming down off the crest both of the most affluent and the most sexually liberal period of modern times, the 1990s, and the liberal attitude to homosexuality is reflected in that. It is not at all certain that this liberal outlook will continue if times continue to get worse.

    That said, it is a very, very important step for actual laws to have been passed that accept homosexuality, and may herald an enduring change in perceptions as you predict.
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    There has been a long trend towards equality and acceptance of groups of all sorts who were previously persecuted; it's natural to expect that homosexuality be among them even before the answer became obvious.
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    (Original post by Kiss)
    But if you disagree you're a homophobe right?
    If you can provide a good justification as to why people in the future will not view homophobia with disdain then no you're not.

    But if you come out with something along the lines of 'it is a sin so people will always hate it!!!!1111' then you probably are.
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    Without a doubt. Homophobes look ridiculous even now. How looney will they look in hindsight?
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    They'll be like those racist grandparents you're very embarrassed to have whenever you bring your black friend over to play on the PS2 or something.
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    (Original post by swan stardust)
    Absolutely.As the years go by people understand how wrong they were about gay people.Although there is still homophobia around the situation has become better!!Gay people can get married,have children and have the full benefits that straight couples do!!Hopefully gradually things change!
    I think youll find a gay couple in no physicaly possible way can have a baby similar to neither can a rock and a tree..
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    I think youll find a gay couple in no physicaly possible way can have a baby similar to neither can a rock and a tree..
    Yes they can - through surrogacy, sperm donors or adoption
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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    Yes they can - through surrogacy, sperm donors or adoption
    in none of those cases is it their baby though is it?
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    in none of those cases is it their baby though is it?
    Its related to one of them

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    (Original post by shadowdweller)
    Its related to one of them

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    not necessserily and even so it still isnt their baby.
    i never said they couldnt acquire children but it is impossible for them to make one.
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    (Original post by cl_steele)
    not necessserily and even so it still isnt their baby.
    i never said they couldnt acquire children but it is impossible for them to make one.
    Not necessarily, but frequently

    But either way, I don't see why that matters

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