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    This may sound callous, but I honestly could not give a damn as to the poor.

    A lot of socialists today have posted vile statuses about the death of one of the greatest Britons of the 20th century, and I realised that the reason I get so incensed by it all is not because I'm angry at them, I've just realised that I don't share any of their values. I give to charity to the tune of £20 a month in terms of direct debits, so as far as I'm concerned I do my bit. I don't want to have my wages stolen however to pay for things I couldn't give a hoot about i.e. the welfare bill.

    I don't believe that 'society' exists. I believe there are individuals, like Margaret Thatcher said. I'm fed up of the undeserving poor expecting me to wipe their arse for them.

    Does that make me callous?
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    It seems all good and dandy and justified when you are on this end of the spectrum. What if you were poor, for reasons out of your control (e.g. lack of jobs)? Wouldn't you want help?
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    This may sound callous, but I honestly could not give a damn as to the poor.

    A lot of socialists today have posted vile statuses about the death of one of the greatest Britons of the 20th century, and I realised that the reason I get so incensed by it all is not because I'm angry at them, I've just realised that I don't share any of their values. I give to charity to the tune of £20 a month in terms of direct debits, so as far as I'm concerned I do my bit. I don't want to have my wages stolen however to pay for things I couldn't give a hoot about i.e. the welfare bill.

    I don't believe that 'society' exists. I believe there are individuals, like Margaret Thatcher said. I'm fed up of the undeserving poor expecting me to wipe their arse for them.

    Does that make me callous?
    Seems to me the poor in the UK are looked at as chavs, lazy or down-right scummy.

    When it comes to the poor in Somalia or Pakistan, it's all eye curdling, heart warming remorse.
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    (Original post by slickrick666999)
    Seems to me the poor in the UK are looked at as chavs, lazy or down-right scummy.

    When it comes to the poor in Somalia or Pakistan, it's all eye curdling, heart warming remorse.
    The poor in the UK don't have to deal with terrorism
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    (Original post by The_Dragonborn)
    It seems all good and dandy and justified when you are on this end of the spectrum. What if you were poor, for reasons out of your control (e.g. lack of jobs)? Wouldn't you want help?
    I would want help securing a job so that I could earn a living. Or I would support the Govt helping charities to look after me if I couldn't work. There is no way that I would expect the level of handouts given to this society.
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    (Original post by Guitarded)
    The poor in the UK don't have to deal with terrorism
    This is about poverty, not terrorism. :confused: I also believe you're grossly exaggerating. I've certainly never heard anybody give money to Somalia or any other third world country because of 'the threat of terrorism'.
    Behave.
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    You'll learn, you'll learn. Life won't be smooth sailing for you forever, and you should learn compassion through that way of experience, seeing as your parents have failed to distill such humanity in you.
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    I broadly agree with what you say and feel very strongly about this too. And why I would say this is true for some, it is true that some poor people are in their situation because of circumstances outside of their control and just need a little help in the right direction. And again, I don't really think welfare is the best way to deal with this in its current form.

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    (Original post by Chadya)
    I would want help securing a job so that I could earn a living. Or I would support the Govt helping charities to look after me if I couldn't work. There is no way that I would expect the level of handouts given to this society.
    Help securing a job whilst your living in a cardboard box with no home address? You're just being greedy.
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    what if, tomorrow, we said right, that's enough, and stopped welfare, charity etc.? crime would go through the roof, it doesn't take much for people to turn on each other. Your life would probably suffer from it.
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    It's the reproduction that angers me. Having babies when you have no money-bring up children in squalor and/or-sponging off the government. I have a certain amount of sympathy for the kids that are born to parents who are skint, because it isn't their fault-also the subnormal intelligence and the low social mobility, negative socialisation processes-these folk don't have much chance.
    Breeders don't get my money.
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    (Original post by sugarmouse)
    It's the reproduction that angers me. Having babies when you have no money-bring up children in squalor and/or-sponging off the government. I have a certain amount of sympathy for the kids that are born to parents who are skint, because it isn't their fault-also the subnormal intelligence and the low social mobility, negative socialisation processes-these folk don't have much chance.
    Breeders don't get my money.
    I would have the children taken away and put into middle-class homes if I'm honest. That would imbue them with better morals than their chavvy parents.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    This may sound callous, but I honestly could not give a damn as to the poor.

    A lot of socialists today have posted vile statuses about the death of one of the greatest Britons of the 20th century, and I realised that the reason I get so incensed by it all is not because I'm angry at them, I've just realised that I don't share any of their values. I give to charity to the tune of £20 a month in terms of direct debits, so as far as I'm concerned I do my bit. I don't want to have my wages stolen however to pay for things I couldn't give a hoot about i.e. the welfare bill.

    I don't believe that 'society' exists. I believe there are individuals, like Margaret Thatcher said. I'm fed up of the undeserving poor expecting me to wipe their arse for them.

    Does that make me callous?
    That's probably the single most silly thing she ever said. For one, it is not remotely true, and two if we did try to get rid of "society", are you sure you would want to live in such a world?
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    I would want help securing a job so that I could earn a living. Or I would support the Govt helping charities to look after me if I couldn't work. There is no way that I would expect the level of handouts given to this society.
    I kind of agree with you here, however, the welfare state is not a bad thing - I believe it to be one of the best things about our country and it is sad that it is being abused to the point where it begins to look like a bad thing. There are many people out there who need the support but don't recieve it, and there are many people who don't need the help, and yet get ludicrous amounts of money thrown at them.

    However, the welfare state in the past has helped people get out of poverty. Sometimes it's not just about finding a job. Sometimes it's housing or food. My grandfather came to this country in the 50s - he was on state benefit for a while even while he worked, but if he had just worked, there is no way he could have made enough money to pay all of the bills, buy essentials for his family. It takes time to save money like that before you can just come off benefits.
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    (Original post by danny111)
    That's probably the single most silly thing she ever said. For one, it is not remotely true, and two if we did try to get rid of "society", are you sure you would want to live in such a world?
    I'm sorry, but you cannot deny that the sense of entitlement in Britain is AWFUL. I'm not going into it here in much detail, but I have personal experience with a family member planning to have another baby so that would stay on Income Support rather than go on JSA. That **** isn't uncommon.

    Maybe she was wrong to an extent, but I loved her idea of individual responsibility rather than expecting the state to wipe your arse, as many British people do.
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    (Original post by sugarmouse)
    It's the reproduction that angers me. Having babies when you have no money-bring up children in squalor and/or-sponging off the government. I have a certain amount of sympathy for the kids that are born to parents who are skint, because it isn't their fault-also the subnormal intelligence and the low social mobility, negative socialisation processes-these folk don't have much chance.
    Breeders don't get my money.
    The adults that are birthing these children have probably come from a similar situation. Do you just feel sympathy for them up to a certain age?
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    I'm sorry, but you cannot deny that the sense of entitlement in Britain is AWFUL. I'm not going into it here in much detail, but I have personal experience with a family member planning to have another baby so that would stay on Income Support rather than go on JSA. That **** isn't uncommon.

    Maybe she was wrong to an extent, but I loved her idea of individual responsibility rather than expecting the state to wipe your arse, as many British people do.
    I'm not denying that's awful.

    I'm just saying no society and "every man for himself" is not exactly a great place to live in.
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    (Original post by SnoochToTheBooch)
    what if, tomorrow, we said right, that's enough, and stopped welfare, charity etc.? crime would go through the roof, it doesn't take much for people to turn on each other. Your life would probably suffer from it.
    Plus people might actually start trying to sort out the roots of their poverty. Sometimes it seems to me as though welfare has replaced religion as the drug of choice for people; i.e. while at one time people used religion to escape their problems, now they use welfare to deal with their symptoms rather than finding a cure.

    With this in mind, sometimes I feel as though the means for the left to achieve our goals is in fact to allow the right to achieve theirs.

    Then again I'm not sure if that would be fair on the people who would be effect in the mean time.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    This may sound callous, but I honestly could not give a damn as to the poor.

    A lot of socialists today have posted vile statuses about the death of one of the greatest Britons of the 20th century, and I realised that the reason I get so incensed by it all is not because I'm angry at them, I've just realised that I don't share any of their values. I give to charity to the tune of £20 a month in terms of direct debits, so as far as I'm concerned I do my bit. I don't want to have my wages stolen however to pay for things I couldn't give a hoot about i.e. the welfare bill.

    I don't believe that 'society' exists. I believe there are individuals, like Margaret Thatcher said. I'm fed up of the undeserving poor expecting me to wipe their arse for them.

    Does that make me callous?
    Although Thatcher did enact very unpopular policies, which led to the rise of dissident Marxist groups (particularly in Liverpool where the city was left to its decline), there is no reason to celebrate her death as though she was evil incarnate.

    These "socialists" are imposters, however. They are not true Socialists but have assumed that system under Marxian principles.
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    (Original post by sugarmouse)
    It's the reproduction that angers me. Having babies when you have no money-bring up children in squalor and/or-sponging off the government. I have a certain amount of sympathy for the kids that are born to parents who are skint, because it isn't their fault-also the subnormal intelligence and the low social mobility, negative socialisation processes-these folk don't have much chance.
    Breeders don't get my money.
    You have a small amount of sympathy for the children born into those families?

    Give that girl a ****ing medal.
 
 
 
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