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    I pay 1% of my income before tax to charity, which I'm guessing is more than half of these socialists (they're too busy grabbing what they can). Is the view that capitalists are selfish blatently wrong?
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    Not all people with right-wing (economic) politics are selfish - I expect many truly believe that the best way to empower the poor is through the free market. Competition of course drives down prices to produce the best value for everyone, and it is implied that this is of benefit also to the needy. Others will add that allowing people to choose where their money goes will make people more charitable, and that choice in donations requires charities to work at spending their money well or else people would be less inclined to donate to them.

    Of course, I mostly disagree with these arguments.
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    In my opinion paying charity before income, thus not paying tax on it is immoral as you get to choose where to spend the money and not have it spent for you whilst on the other hand someone on a lower income may bear a larger burden if they give away 1% of their income to charity before tax as a higher % of their income is spent on basic needs ( food, heating, accommodation etc.). Thus those on higher incomes have a choice of where their money goes as they can afford to give some away to charity whilst those on lower incomes have restricted choices.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    I pay 1% of my income before tax to charity, which I'm guessing is more than half of these socialists (they're too busy grabbing what they can). Is the view that capitalists are selfish blatently wrong?
    What Socialists?
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    In my opinion paying charity before income, thus not paying tax on it is immoral as you get to choose where to spend the money and not have it spent for you whilst on the other hand someone on a lower income may bear a larger burden if they give away 1% of their income to charity before tax as a higher % of their income is spent on basic needs ( food, heating, accommodation etc.). Thus those on higher incomes have a choice of where their money goes as they can afford to give some away to charity whilst those on lower incomes have restricted choices.
    As far as I'm concerned, they can worry about their own food, heating and accommodation, and I'll worry about mine.
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    After reading Atlas Shrugged, I was led to believe that it was socialists who were evil and selfish.
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    Yes. I do believe that people with strong capitalist views do have a form of selfishness...I don't see how you couldn't. Of course they won't realise it, but such beliefs do attract a certain type of character. The same goes for socialists. And I've seen your petty comments on socialists so you should get off your high horse if you can't accept that people may find you selfish because of your (strong) views.

    Just like to empathise, I'm talking about strong capitalists such as yourself, who don't have a shred of empathy for those born into unfortunate circumstances..
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    Why is it selfish to want to keep the money you earn?
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    Why is it selfish to want to keep the money you earn?
    Because it's selfish to not want to contribute to society and help it's more needy members. It's also quite ignorant to assume that you'd never become a needy member. Which you may well.
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    I think that by definition that capitalism is at least a little bit selfish, which in turn conditions capitalists to be selfish. So no. But that doesn't make it all bad, it is possible to be charitable and do good deeds (not that its a good subsutiute for proper government intervention and wealth redistribution. Yes I'm a commie.
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    (Original post by Chadya)
    As far as I'm concerned, they can worry about their own food, heating and accommodation, and I'll worry about mine.
    I disagree, say £5 was taken from you and redistributed to someone who couldn't provide for the most basic need, food/water, there would be a welfare gain in society as the happiness that you gain from the £5 is less than the happiness gained from the £5 being distributed to he/she on a lower income who will spend the money on satisfying their basic needs.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Because it's selfish to not want to contribute to society and help it's more needy members. It's also quite ignorant because you're assuming that you'd never become a needy member. Which you may well.
    I would have saved and bought insurance responsibly.
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    (Original post by pandabird)
    Because it's selfish to not want to contribute to society and help it's more needy members. It's also quite ignorant to assume that you'd never become a needy member. Which you may well.
    It's selfish to expect other people to work for you and give you a share of what they earned.
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    (Original post by Jacob :))
    I would have saved and bought insurance responsibly.
    We'll you're fortunate that you are able to save, many are not.
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    Maybe the topic should be, is being selfish even a bad thing? People being selfish especially in a capitalistic society helps drive advancement within society e.g Bill Gates setting up Microsoft to make money, helping to employ many others and provide goods and services to many others.
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    (Original post by Thriftworks)
    Maybe the topic should be, is being selfish even a bad thing? People being selfish especially in a capitalistic society helps drive advancement within society e.g Bill Gates setting up Microsoft to make money, helping to employ many others and providing goods and services to many others.
    ..... Sorry DP
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    Everyone is selfish when it comes down to it.

    Otherwise, give me £5.
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    (Original post by Dark Horse)
    After reading Atlas Shrugged, I was led to believe that it was socialists who were evil and selfish.
    Rand like many others made the mistake of attacking Socialism when their true enemy was not Socialism but Marxist Socialism.
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    (Original post by Dark Horse)
    It's selfish to expect other people to work for you and give you a share of what they earned.
    :s

    Typical. That's not what the welfare system is about. It is about helping those who are genuinely not able to work, and helping those who are currently out of work and need to survive until they find work. Yes a small portion of that does consist of selfish people who expect to sponge off the government. But that is an unintended flaw of the system. That is not what welfare is about.

    It is selfish to not want to contribute for the former group, but it is not selfish to resent paying money for the latter. The trouble is people like you and OP (and Cameron), resent the idea of contributing full stop. You cover yourselves up by pretending that everyone receiving support are scroungers, lazy scum-bags, but that's only the case for some of them. So many people are being unfairly targeted.
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    (Original post by Martyn*)
    Rand like many others made the mistake of attacking Socialism when their true enemy was not Socialism but Marxist Socialism.
    I'll admit I don't know the differences between the two.

    Probably should read-up more about ideology tbf.
 
 
 
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