When did we get into this stupid phase of fat coddling?
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Original post by Slumpy
Bit busy to fully read these at the moment, but brief glance gives this:
Second link; 10% of women experience a symptom. Given we're talking about effects, this is the relevant figure. We're then told from the other one that some number may have insulin sensitivity issues. If you want to be taken seriously, you'd need to provide some kind of figure of the proportion of the population genuinely suffering from high level insulin issues. Even still, that does just mean you have to be a little more careful with what you eat, which is basically the same as getting a bit older. (And this is ignoring the apparent increased testosterone production, which is almost certainly offsetting.)
5-10% is a very small minority. That's just a fact. And having looked at this a bit, I can't remember ever seeing a decent sized study which finds any real number of people who didn't lose weight on a calorie controlled diet with exercise and vice versa. Whilst losing weight may be harder for some people than others (again, the extent to which this is true is up for debate), it's do-able for almost everyone. It's all about how much you want it. That many people don't care enough is fine (and clear), but to suggest it's only because of genetics or whatever is, in the main, wrong.
Second link; 10% of women experience a symptom. Given we're talking about effects, this is the relevant figure. We're then told from the other one that some number may have insulin sensitivity issues. If you want to be taken seriously, you'd need to provide some kind of figure of the proportion of the population genuinely suffering from high level insulin issues. Even still, that does just mean you have to be a little more careful with what you eat, which is basically the same as getting a bit older. (And this is ignoring the apparent increased testosterone production, which is almost certainly offsetting.)
5-10% is a very small minority. That's just a fact. And having looked at this a bit, I can't remember ever seeing a decent sized study which finds any real number of people who didn't lose weight on a calorie controlled diet with exercise and vice versa. Whilst losing weight may be harder for some people than others (again, the extent to which this is true is up for debate), it's do-able for almost everyone. It's all about how much you want it. That many people don't care enough is fine (and clear), but to suggest it's only because of genetics or whatever is, in the main, wrong.
I think until you look at each health issue in as much detail as possible you wont really understand the difficulty (difficulty not impossibility!) it can take people to lose weight. If you really wanted to know more some of the girls on the pcos thread could answer your questions better than me though
Difference of opinion i guess - i find 5-10% of a population very high just for one health problem.
I think a large amount of severely obese people do have a problem not helping them, but i also think a lot of them dont care along with that. When something is so difficult to achieve because of a condition thats not your fault sometimes its just easier to give up for some people.
Original post by Tabzqt
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Everytime I see that I get more angry at it.
Although, I have to laugh that nearly all the people saying the overweight girl is somehow brilliant are female. Sounds to me like a lot of them just want to desperately think that men should find that attractive, even though the majority of them would not find an overweight man attractive.
And I'm not super-slim. I'm just realistic.
Original post by Popppppy
Yea, sorry I couldn't really see the comments cos I'm on my phone.
That fat girl started off on tumblr which is full of girls who make no effort with their appearance yet whine that no boys fancy them.
It's often one big circle jerk of unattractive girls telling each other that they're so wonderful and vilifying guys for not fancying them, meanwhile all they do is post pictures of super hot Hollywood stars and expect boys to look like that.
That fat girl started off on tumblr which is full of girls who make no effort with their appearance yet whine that no boys fancy them.
It's often one big circle jerk of unattractive girls telling each other that they're so wonderful and vilifying guys for not fancying them, meanwhile all they do is post pictures of super hot Hollywood stars and expect boys to look like that.
Haha I don't have a tumblr or spend any time on other people's but that definitely doesn't surprise me.
They are just excuses. It is very easy to lose weight no matter what condition you have, it's just a matter of consuming fewer calories than you burn off.
And in the case of parents over feeding them, the parents should be blamed up until the child can think for themselves and start making their own decisions.
In my opinion more needs to be done to educate people on healthy eating and healthy lifestyles.
And in the case of parents over feeding them, the parents should be blamed up until the child can think for themselves and start making their own decisions.
In my opinion more needs to be done to educate people on healthy eating and healthy lifestyles.
Whilst I acknowledge that it is a lot harder for some people to lose weight, you're getting a bit defensive and it's verging on aggressive. Tumblr is a load of rubbish, I occasionally go on it but I'm sick of seeing horrifically fat girls getting praised for their non-existent beauty, and at the other end of the spectrum idiots complaining that their inner thigh gap isn't big enough. But everyone can lose weight or at least reach a healthy state if they work hard, it just takes some people more effort than others (unless they have a serious, rare medical condition, which is only a minority group)
Hmm well I don't use it much but from my experience it's full of obsessives, either incredibly self conscious or fishing for compliments off everyone else (or both.) I'm sorry to hear that, but you're right, people shouldn't feel pressured into losing weight if they're healthy, but excess fat isn't healthy, regardless of what people try to say about it.
This
I know a woman with pcos who couldnt lose weight no matter what. The doctors then put her on a (medically approved and set out) 500 cals a day diet and it still wasnt easy.
I think people a lot of the time just dont get how hard it can be unless they have a condition or someone close to them does.
I know a woman with pcos who couldnt lose weight no matter what. The doctors then put her on a (medically approved and set out) 500 cals a day diet and it still wasnt easy.
I think people a lot of the time just dont get how hard it can be unless they have a condition or someone close to them does.
(edited 11 years ago)
Original post by kunoichi
http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
Well, my mother has a thyroid problem as well. She's prone to gaining weight. However, even though she's had three children, she looks amazing. And I'm not saying that cos she's my mom. She goes to the gym regularly and eats healthy, and does a lot of physical activity during the day- which means she has a great body even though she has a thyroid problem and is prone to being overweight, according to her doctors. This is actually not the kind of illness that would make it impossible for you to lose weight or whatever. You just need to take care of your body, take your meds and have regular check ups.
Original post by kunoichi
http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/pcos.html
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
http://www.endocrineonline.org/pdf%20box/pcos%2Bmet.pdf
As a sufferer ive had ton of converstaions with different doctors and specialists all who say the same thing. Even if you are not obese you do have to watch your food constantly because it isnt about the ovaries, which is really just a symptom, it is about the insulin resistance problems.
Again thyroid - 1 in 50 people is estimated
http://www.bbc.co.uk/health/physical_health/conditions/thyroid1.shtml
I fail to see how 5-10% of the human population (for pcos) and thats not including the guys that are thought to have some form of it, but little research has been done on that, is minimal.
And like i said start including everything else that has effect on weight, you will see a considerable percentage of the population will probably have something that could contribute to weight gain.
That first link says "
By far the biggest lifestyle contributor to PCOS is poor diet.
I haven't read the whole thread but I will add my thoughts. I've always been a little on the large side, not to the extent of being classed as obese but not at the healthy end of the normal BMI category either. I have made conscious efforts to lose weight even though as far as I can tell I generally eat healthily. My dad has CHD, used to be a smoker and is diabetic so we rarely have takeaways but recently we have been eating more sugary things and I've started baking which isn't good
at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.
What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
Original post by minthumbugs
I haven't read the whole thread but I will add my thoughts. I've always been a little on the large side, not to the extent of being classed as obese but not at the healthy end of the normal BMI category either. I have made conscious efforts to lose weight even though as far as I can tell I generally eat healthily. My dad has CHD, used to be a smoker and is diabetic so we rarely have takeaways but recently we have been eating more sugary things and I've started baking which isn't good at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.
What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
Bring it on chunky cakes.
Original post by slickrick666999
Bring it on chunky cakes.
Wow
Oh and
#bodyacceptance gets on my nerves
Have fun accepting diabetes
#bodyacceptance gets on my nerves
Have fun accepting diabetes
Original post by minthumbugs
I haven't read the whole thread but I will add my thoughts. I've always been a little on the large side, not to the extent of being classed as obese but not at the healthy end of the normal BMI category either. I have made conscious efforts to lose weight even though as far as I can tell I generally eat healthily. My dad has CHD, used to be a smoker and is diabetic so we rarely have takeaways but recently we have been eating more sugary things and I've started baking which isn't good at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.
What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
I completely agree
I'm sick of some people on here trying to defend being grossly overweight. As you said, some people are built bigger and some are built more slightly (I have the frame of a 10 year old) but until people are of a healthy size, no one should try to falsely compliment them on their "curves" which are just rolls of fat. If people can't help their weight then it's understandable, but our society portrays weight in such a bad light. A rant in response to your rant, over!Original post by Miss G
Well, my mother has a thyroid problem as well. She's prone to gaining weight. However, even though she's had three children, she looks amazing. And I'm not saying that cos she's my mom. She goes to the gym regularly and eats healthy, and does a lot of physical activity during the day- which means she has a great body even though she has a thyroid problem and is prone to being overweight, according to her doctors. This is actually not the kind of illness that would make it impossible for you to lose weight or whatever. You just need to take care of your body, take your meds and have regular check ups.
I havent said that these conditions made it impossible,ive said they are known to contribute to weight gain.
Fair play to your mum
Original post by RachaelBee
That first link says " it's basically saying that being obese causes PCOS...
Being obese is not the cause of PCOS.
Being obese however can worsen the symptoms quite severly
The larger you get with pcos the harder it becomes to lose weight.
Original post by minthumbugs
I haven't read the whole thread but I will add my thoughts. I've always been a little on the large side, not to the extent of being classed as obese but not at the healthy end of the normal BMI category either. I have made conscious efforts to lose weight even though as far as I can tell I generally eat healthily. My dad has CHD, used to be a smoker and is diabetic so we rarely have takeaways but recently we have been eating more sugary things and I've started baking which isn't good at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.
What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
at a recent family wedding, I think 75% of the females in my family were noticeably overweight/obese. My immediate family is pretty much the same as me and I've sort of been conditioned into thinking I will never be slim or a healthy weight. When I try and avoid fatty foods I get told I'm making a big deal or "you're not dieting are you??" And guilted into eating things. I have no means of getting to a gym or paying for membership and I live in quite a rough area so when I've not had nice experiences jogging. I know it's a pathetic excuse but I do want to go to Loughborough because of the sporty reputation. I've never been good at sports but I do want to try and be healthy as well as control my meals and portion sizes. What I mean to say is, I may be considered unhealthy but I feel pretty stuck at the moment and I'm trying to change it. I did notice an improvement when I started using myfitness pal because I cut out the mindless snacking.What I don't like is the media telling us we're all obese, then saying big is beautiful because neither the overweight or naturally slim should be vilified. I have a friend with an under active thyroid who was bullied and a friend who is naturally skinny who was bullied. The obese should stop whining and make an effort, not to attain the supermodel anaemic look, but to be healthy. Some people are genuinely healthy but have a larger frame and are really tall so are a size 16 and some girls are naturally slender. There's nothing wrong with that. But yes, the relationship the nation has with its weight needs to change.
Sorry for the life story/rant
What a healthy attitude! I think the part in bold really gets to the heart of the issue. I recently read an exercise psychology book which talked about the spectrum of health attitudes: there is healthy at one end and unhealthy at the other and right in the middle was 'normal'.
The point being that it is seen as abnormal to take a healthy attitude and try to improve yourself if you aren't happy. People are always trying to sabotage others' attempts to get themselves in shape probably because it reflects on their own lifestyles and what they aren't doing to improve themselves.
I think it's awful that some people scorn others for making an effort and justify it as kindness by telling an unhealthy (or unhappy) person that they're better the way they are. How many documentaries have you seen about super morbidly obese people who cannot leave their homes? There is always some partner or family member who buys and prepares their food. And I bet that person told them for years that they were beautiful as they were too.
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Original post by Anime Lover
I completely agree I'm sick of some people on here trying to defend being grossly overweight. As you said, some people are built bigger and some are built more slightly (I have the frame of a 10 year old) but until people are of a healthy size, no one should try to falsely compliment them on their "curves" which are just rolls of fat. If people can't help their weight then it's understandable, but our society portrays weight in such a bad light. A rant in response to your rant, over!
I'm sick of some people on here trying to defend being grossly overweight. As you said, some people are built bigger and some are built more slightly (I have the frame of a 10 year old) but until people are of a healthy size, no one should try to falsely compliment them on their "curves" which are just rolls of fat. If people can't help their weight then it's understandable, but our society portrays weight in such a bad light. A rant in response to your rant, over!I thought people might take it the wrong way, which goes back to the original problem! I'm not happy with my shape and my friends do discuss weight but I don't usually say anything at the risk of whining about how it's not my fault (it is) or they usually say I don't need to lose weight (which I do). What is more concerning is my dad has had diabetes for 20 or so years so even before I was born. I see the 10+ pills he has to take after meals and I'm painfully aware that having diabetes on both sides of the family, being overweight increases my chances of getting it. That will be goal from now and I think we need more education on it! Not to mention the drain on the NHS. Happiness is health I suppose..
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