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    All those ****ging off Thatcher across the country are a little bit..... how should I word this...... "not exactly the brightest"....

    So- we have masses of dumb people celebrating the death of a woman who........ closed down loss-making industries <shock horror>. Yes- that is the outrageous thing she did! She closed down public industries which weren't making money....... how dare she!

    The ex-employees of these industries couldn't find work afterwards. It wasn't their fault they left school aged 14 and didn't have any qualifications. Nope- that was that Thatcher's fault entirely! How dare she make them have no qualifications! You can see this woman is a complete evil class act now can't you?

    it wasn't as if one could visit a library for free back then and educate themselves! The only way one could get another job back then was to sit at home in your south-wales terraced house moaning about Thatcher!

    Also- apparently its Thatcher's fault because some of these losers resorted to drugs and alcohol. Yup- that's right. Thatcher is to blame because many adults chose to take drugs and drink alcohol. God this woman is pure evil!!!

    Ok back to reality- anyone noticed how all the anti-Thatcher people are a little bit on the stupid side? It really gives right-wing politics such a boost to any neutral!
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    I think you should talk to someone who experienced this to be honest.

    In the politest way possible that post is cuckoo.
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    Someone needs a little cooling off...
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    Liking the hypocrisy of people born in the 90's telling other people born in the 90's that they are too young to have an informed opinion regarding the Baroness.
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    (Original post by IFondledAGibbon)
    Liking the hypocrisy of people born in the 90's telling other people born in the 90's that they are too young to have an informed opinion regarding the Baroness.
    haha, it is amusing yeah, I once had someone have a go at me at Uni for ****ging her off (before she died) because I was born in the 90's, to which I took a great deal of pleasure in replying "actually I was born in 88", which caused everyone present to laugh at them
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    Most of the people who are you talking about will be from the north east, Wales and perhaps Scotland.

    They're not the privately educated Southerners who come up to Durham University or Glasgow University because there are some great seats of learning in the north.

    They're the people who went to a comprehensive (and not the better regarded comprehensives). If as if it's now an unpardonable sin to know far more about the insides of a car engine and the contents of a mid 70s David Bowie album than the insides of the financial sector and the contents of the holiday home that your parents happen to have bought for you.

    Do you seriously think that someone who has grafted in a mine , who may have picked up some useful knowledge about politics from their own job, who may have a strong ethical sense in their approach to family and may have later educated themselves at night school or by films or books (or at least by television), is necessarily 'dumb'?

    And some of the anti-Thatcher people are intellectual left wingers. They get pigeon-holed as the 'chattering classes' , 'champagne socialists', 'left wing intellectuals'.

    The Daily Mail (I do NOT call it the Daily Fail, it has some good writers but in the past few days it has adopted a very narrow view of the full ramifications of Thatcherism) even said that Thatcher attacked welfarism. Well, raising unemployment to 3 million is a strange way of demonstrating that you hate welfarism (unless she wanted them to live on the kindness of neighbours alone). Ah neighbours - who , along with the individual and the family were the only kind of 'society' that a grocer's daughter cared about. It really is Little Britain, Hyacinth Bouquet (except with power), writ large but with no sensible way of squaring her grocer-like 'spend within your means' beliefs with her belief in allowing the markets to control the economy and even public services. The philosophy - and her impersonation of being a Queen, may have been attractive to many but it doesn't make it any less muddled in its message.
    How could she have saved British society when she didn't even believe that there really was a society ('there is no such thing as society') to save? What she really saved was the ideal of being able to earn and spend (rather than purely educate) your way in to a different class. Thatcherism meant that the working class 'aesthetic' intellectual, as seen in the 60s, e.g. people like Lennon and McCartney, was a museum piece. Money (that's what I want) was the message that she took from The Beatles, not 'All You Need Is Love'. And that makes her irreligious and kind of Nietzschian. Which is why The Student Room , more often than not, identifies with many aspects of her. But you don't have to believe in God to believe that is possible, and perhaps 'right' to be a benevolent Superman, not a destroyer of some people's worlds for the sake of crafting other worlds.

    http://www.redpepper.org.uk/dispelli...hatcher-myths/
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    (Original post by Selnec)
    I think you should talk to someone who experienced this to be honest.

    In the politest way possible that post is cuckoo.
    No- present me with facts, not sob stories:

    -Were the industries loss-making? Yes
    -Did Labour close more mines before Thatcher? Yes
    -Do employees of private companies lose their jobs when the company folds? Yes

    Where is the argument against Thatcher?
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    (Original post by Picnic1)
    They're not the privately educated Southerners who come up to Durham University or Glasgow University because there are some great seats of learning in the north.
    You think the majority of Southerners are privately educated? You're doing well so far.... :rolleyes:


    (Original post by Picnic1)
    They're the people who went to a comprehensive (and not the better regarded comprehensives). If as if it's now an unpardonable sin to know far more about the insides of a car engine and the contents of a mid 70s David Bowie album than the insides of the financial sector and the contents of the holiday home that your parents happen to have bought for you.
    The smarter ones would have attended a Grammar school had it not been for Labour....


    The rest of your post:

    Northern definition of society: southerners work real jobs and create wealth and we'll play happy families, work digging holes in the ground pretending to create wealth and spend the southerners money.

    Thatcher's definition: you contribute to real wealth or you aren't getting much from us.

    Gee- I wonder which of those definitions is the fairer?
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    Most of the 'anti-Thatcher' brigade speak largely in cliches, and don't really know the facts. Being left-wing, and hence anti-Tory, is seen as 'trendy', especially amongst young people. Sorry state of affairs, when idealism trumps REALISM, to be honest.
 
 
 
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