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    So right wingers, who want to abolish the NMW, health and safety, working time regulations, working conditions regulations, safety standards for products, benefits.

    This is what britain was in the 1800s, and will turn britain back into what it was then, the rich, feasting and partying while the poor suffer and starve. do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?

    capitalism had its chance and has failed.

    update: so through the neg storm, the only reasons the right has come up with for destroying human rights and workers rights and indeed the nations health has been "to help the markets, corporations and business owners"

    so in summary, what i have said is totally correct and the right even admit it.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    So right wingers, who want to abolish the NMW, health and safety, working time regulations, working conditions regulations, safety standards for products, benefits.

    This is what britain was in the 1800s, and will turn britain back into what it was then, the rich, feasting and partying while the poor suffer and starve. do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?

    capitalism had its chance and has failed.


    What you're saying isn't really right is it though.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    What you're saying isn't really right is it though.
    oh really? how so?
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    So right wingers, who want to abolish the NMW, health and safety, working time regulations, working conditions regulations, safety standards for products, benefits.

    This is what britain was in the 1800s, and will turn britain back into what it was then, the rich, feasting and partying while the poor suffer and starve. do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?

    capitalism had its chance and has failed.
    So, basically, this is the dumb left wing caricature of Right wing politics.
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    (Original post by DorianGrayism)
    So, basically, this is the dumb left wing caricature of Right wing politics.
    do you deny that is what the 1800s were like?

    do you deny the right want to remove protection from workers?
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    capitalism had its chance and has failed.
    You are aware that Britain and the US became so powerful in the last 200 years mainly due to their capitalist natures, right? I'm not saying living in the 1800s was nice in Britain, but it was probably much nicer than living in most other places. Also, introducing some old-style laws (not that anyone realistically wants to) would not take us back to the 1800s, because far too much has changed.
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    (Original post by PythianLegume)
    You are aware that Britain and the US became so powerful in the last 200 years mainly due to their capitalist natures, right? I'm not saying living in the 1800s was nice in Britain, but it was probably much nicer than living in most other places. Also, introducing some old-style laws (not that anyone realistically wants to) would not take us back to the 1800s, because far too much has changed.
    yes because starvation and cholera were just dandy
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    God forbid having to make an informed decision about what products we buy. Thankfully the man is there to save us poor idiots from our own stupidity.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?
    Why are you asking me if I want to work for an agency?
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    Could you please define the terms "capitalism" and "right wing"? They are utterly meaningless terms unless you specify beforehand the sense in which you are using them.
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    (Original post by PicardianSocialist)
    Could you please define the terms "capitalism" and "right wing"? They are utterly meaningless terms unless you specify beforehand the sense in which you are using them.
    certainly, right wing, economic sense, ie tories, ukip, american republicans for reference, think ayn rand maybe a little less evil though

    and capitalism, the failure we have now for an economic system
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    So right wingers, who want to abolish the NMW, health and safety, working time regulations, working conditions regulations, safety standards for products, benefits.

    This is what britain was in the 1800s, and will turn britain back into what it was then, the rich, feasting and partying while the poor suffer and starve. do you want to go back to working 20 hour days, for starvation wages in unsafe conditions, when you can be sacked for getting ill or hurt and receive no sick pay, and no unemployment help or disability support?

    capitalism had its chance and has failed.
    They don't want to abolish minimum wage.
    They don't want to abolish health and safety.
    They don't want to abolish regulations on working times or conditions.
    They don't want to abolish the benefits system.

    Do a bit of research before posting and actually learn about views other than your own.
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    (Original post by Adam543)
    They don't want to abolish minimum wage.
    They don't want to abolish health and safety.
    They don't want to abolish regulations on working times or conditions.
    They don't want to abolish the benefits system.

    Do a bit of research before posting and actually learn about views other than your own.
    ukip do, most of the eu regulation they hate is related to workers rights. and the tories also want to abolish workers rights in fact they have started to with this stupid shares for rights thing
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    (Original post by Adam543)
    They don't want to abolish minimum wage.
    Actually a lot of us do.

    They don't want to abolish health and safety.
    They don't want to abolish regulations on working times or conditions.
    Not necessarily (again some do) but most of us want to reduce that kind of red tape. It's hard to go into specifics with it though.

    They don't want to abolish the benefits system.
    Many of them do, almost all want some kind of reform (in fact pretty much everyone wants SOME kind of reform, left or right).

    Do a bit of research before posting and actually learn about views other than your own.
    It seems like you haven't done much research on any but the most watered down right wing views. Are you David Cameron?
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    ukip do, most of the eu regulation they hate is related to workers rights. and the tories also want to abolish workers rights in fact they have started to with this stupid shares for rights thing
    The shares for rights scheme was one man's idea, and it was put down by the rest of the party at the Conservative conference. One man doesn't represent the whole right wing, or even the whole of his party. And I'm pretty sure that UKIP are mostly against the EU because they don't like immigrants, not because of workers rights.
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    While we're asking silly, caricature based questions, why does the left want to turn us into a poverty-stricken People's Republic where coal mining is still subsidized?

    On a more serious note:

    And has it occurred to you that the reason wages were crap in the 1800s is because our economy wasn't producing anywhere near as much as it is now? Would you impose the policies that you laud on Zimbabwe - a country which has a pitiful economy? Or do you understand that capitalism is the only reason that the policies you support are even economically viable in the first place. If you tried to create a welfare state as large as the one we have today (in terms of % of GDP - it would be completely impossible to match it in absolute GDP per capita) in 1813 it would be a complete failure.

    Do you actually know when the National Minimum Wage was created? Do you actually know what effects health & safety regulations have or do you just assume that they merely protect people with no negative effects (and they don't just apply in the workplace either)? Are you aware that one can support safety standards without supporting government mandated safety standards? Have you considered that the welfare and pensions system might have some problems like the fact that it consumes all income tax revenues, petrol tax revenues, and still has several trillion pounds of unfunded liabities which will cause problems in the future?
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    (Original post by The Troll Toll)
    Actually a lot of us do.


    Not necessarily (again some do) but most of us want to reduce that kind of red tape. It's hard to go into specifics with it though.


    Many of them do, almost all want some kind of reform (in fact pretty much everyone wants SOME kind of reform, left or right).


    It seems like you haven't done much research on any but the most watered down right wing views. Are you David Cameron?
    Reducing red tape and a reform of the welfare system yes, but we don't want to completely destroy them.
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    (Original post by Adam543)
    Reducing red tape and a reform of the welfare system yes, but we don't want to completely destroy them.
    It kind of depends. Since this is a young persons' internet forum, and young right wingers on the internet are far more likely to read and agree with libertarian literature than people who care about being electable, it's not an altogether unfair charicature.
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    (Original post by alex5455)
    do you deny that is what the 1800s were like?

    do you deny the right want to remove protection from workers?
    I had to get our H&S guy to do a risk assessment on a bucket of water in a factory I worked at many years ago. The risk assessment came back as extremly hazardous for health and therefore the bucket of water wasn't allowed on the shopfloor as somebody may catch legionarres disease and die. I said at that moment that we might as well give up and outsource to India. Two years later, the company shut down and the work was outsourced to India.

    We're not living in Dickension times by trying to reduce the red tape fopr employement. Our economy has shifted now to be vbased more on innovation and the service sector. That's shifted the employement systems to Human Centrix approaches where you're workforce gives you a competitive advantage.

    Too many times now, companys are being ham strung by being unable to get rid of unproductive workers. Unproductive workers still need paying and consume resources that a firm should be utilising to grow and expand to employ more people. So you're great idea of forcing companys to keep on employing people results in many cases of actually reducing employement opportunities for other people.

    If you look at Germany for example. They don't even have a minimum wage. Are they exploiting their workers?
 
 
 
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