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    Okay so SWIM might have a slight issue of the benzo kind and was wondering what his/hers options are... They want nothing on any records, no family/friends/GPs involved etc. so how does SWIM get off the addiction withouit involving aforementioned parties?
    Also SWIM has no intention of going cold turkey, its thoroughly unpleasant and unfortunately the pills do serve an actual medical purposefor this person even if they have been abused...
    So despite the convoluted issue anyone got any ideas?
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    SWIM: Someone Who Isn't Me.

    Or:

    Stupid
    Way
    of
    Incriminating
    Myself

    Don't use SWIM, it's so cringey and lame. There's no point.

    Look here: I openly admit to abusing valium, codeine, tramadol, morphine, zopiclone, pregabalin. Now notify the police and come and arrest me.

    ...

    No. Thought nobody would.



    As for you:

    Friends/families don't have to be involved, though it often helps.

    1) What Benzodiazepine are you using? Diazepam at a guess?

    2) How much in mg are you taking and how often are you taking it?

    3) Why do you not want your GP involved & no paper trail?

    4) Where are you sourcing it from, if not your GP? How much are you paying?

    5) Nobody would advise going cold turkey anyway.



    If you truly want to stop taking it, just taper the dose. It's not hard. I have been, and still am, addicted to these kinds of drugs so if you truly want to know anything, I'm here for you.

    Answer them 5 questions and I can help you.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Okay so SWIM might have a slight issue of the benzo kind and was wondering what his/hers options are... They want nothing on any records, no family/friends/GPs involved etc. so how does SWIM get off the addiction withouit involving aforementioned parties?
    Also SWIM has no intention of going cold turkey, its thoroughly unpleasant and unfortunately the pills do serve an actual medical purposefor this person even if they have been abused...
    So despite the convoluted issue anyone got any ideas?
    The Ashton manual may be useful. Otherwise a private doctor may help and nothing will go on your NHS record.

    Which benzo we talking about and what dose?
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    SWIM: Someone Who Isn't Me.

    Or:

    Stupid
    Way
    of
    Incriminating
    Myself

    Don't use SWIM, it's so cringey and lame. There's no point.

    Look here: I openly admit to abusing valium, codeine, tramadol, morphine, zopiclone, pregabalin. Now notify the police and come and arrest me.

    ...

    No. Thought nobody would.



    As for you:

    Friends/families don't have to be involved, though it often helps.

    1) What Benzodiazepine are you using? Diazepam at a guess?

    2) How much in mg are you taking and how often are you taking it?

    3) Why do you not want your GP involved & no paper trail?

    4) Where are you sourcing it from, if not your GP? How much are you paying?

    5) Nobody would advise going cold turkey anyway.



    If you truly want to stop taking it, just taper the dose. It's not hard. I have been, and still am, addicted to these kinds of drugs so if you truly want to know anything, I'm here for you.

    Answer them 5 questions and I can help you.
    Actually one was more concerned about friends, relatives and employers ever finding that out then PC plod. Besides its a perfectlygood anacronym.
    1] Valium and Xanax
    2]100/20 for the former and latter daily or every other day depending.
    3]I have no desire for this to go near any record where anyone could see it, a my problem no one else should know kind of thing... also please see above reason.
    4]Some from the GP, somefrom acquaintainces and the bulk in shipment from countries who are more lax about it.
    5]well thats a start then.

    (Original post by Dan9878)
    The Ashton manual may be useful. Otherwise a private doctor may help and nothing will go on your NHS record.

    Which benzo we talking about and what dose?
    Valium and Xanax, to be honest it varies around 100MG for the former and 20MG for the latter at the lower end.
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    If you truly are taking that amount, you need to admit yourself to hospital for help.
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    (Original post by Rybee)
    SWIM: Someone Who Isn't Me.

    Or:

    Stupid
    Way
    of
    Incriminating
    Myself

    Don't use SWIM, it's so cringey and lame. There's no point.

    Look here: I openly admit to abusing valium, codeine, tramadol, morphine, zopiclone, pregabalin. Now notify the police and come and arrest me.

    ...

    No. Thought nobody would.



    As for you:

    Friends/families don't have to be involved, though it often helps.

    1) What Benzodiazepine are you using? Diazepam at a guess?

    2) How much in mg are you taking and how often are you taking it?

    3) Why do you not want your GP involved & no paper trail?

    4) Where are you sourcing it from, if not your GP? How much are you paying?

    5) Nobody would advise going cold turkey anyway.



    If you truly want to stop taking it, just taper the dose. It's not hard. I have been, and still am, addicted to these kinds of drugs so if you truly want to know anything, I'm here for you.

    Answer them 5 questions and I can help you.
    Actually one was more concerned about friends, relatives and employers ever finding that out then PC plod. Besides its a perfectlygood anacronym.
    1] Valium and Xanax
    2]100/20 for the former and latter daily or every other day depending.
    3]I have no desire for this to go near any record where anyone could see it, a my problem no one else should know kind of thing... also please see above reason.
    4]Some from the GP, somefrom acquaintainces and the bulk in shipment from countries who are more lax about it. errr... £2a box i think?
    5]well thats a start then.


    I am moderately curious how on earth you get ahold of those things, they arent exactly your common or garden drugs from your friendly local dealer?

    (Original post by Dan9878)
    The Ashton manual may be useful. Otherwise a private doctor may help and nothing will go on your NHS record.

    Which benzo we talking about and what dose?
    Valium and Xanax, to be honest it varies around 100MG for the former and 20MG for the latter at the lower end.
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    (Original post by Rybee)
    If you truly are taking that amount, you need to admit yourself to hospital for help.
    You see thats where the original post came from... Really not keen on any public body knowing about it.
    Besides it isnt to bad, just expensive to maintain especially with the damn tolerance.
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    Then if you truly want to come off of it, then you need to taper the dose at a safe rate over a long period of time. As a guide I would taper the dose of Diazepam 10mg per week and the dose of Alprazolam 2mg per week.

    Week 0: 100mg/20mg
    Week 1: 90mg/18mg
    Week 2: 80mg/16mg
    Week 3: 70mg/14mg
    Week 4: 60mg/12mg
    Week 5: 50mg/10mg
    Week 6: 40mg/8mg
    Week 7: 30mg/6mg
    Week 8: 20mg/4mg
    Week 9: 10mg/2mg
    Week 10: 5mg/1mg

    To be free of Benzodiazepines you have to have will-power. The moment you break the taper, you're back to square one. The hardest point is going to be weeks 8-10 and if you struggle too much, break it down to 5mg's per week from 10mg's of Diazepam and 1mg from 2mg of Alprazolam.


    Why are you so hesitant on a public body being aware of it? I've been addicted to Diazepam and it's on my records but it doesn't bother me?
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    It will take you months if not years to stop not weeks. I would get specialist help.
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    (Original post by Dan9878)
    It will take you months if not years to stop not weeks. I would get specialist help.
    That's not strictly true, it depends on a lot of factors. But I do agree with getting help, it's so much easier with help from someone and I don't see why OP is so hesitant.
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    (Original post by Rybee)
    That's not strictly true, it depends on a lot of factors. But I do agree with getting help, it's so much easier with help from someone and I don't see why OP is so hesitant.
    This is the schedule to stop 6mg xanax.

    http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm


    Personally I would convert everything into diazepam, and then start reducing by 2% a week.
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    (Original post by Dan9878)
    This is the schedule to stop 6mg xanax.

    http://www.benzo.org.uk/manual/bzsched.htm


    Personally I would convert everything into diazepam, and then start reducing by 2% a week.
    I agree with this and was going to question why you use both Diazepam and Alprazolam. Diazepam has a much, much longer half-life. As Dan points out, in hindsight, if you are able to, you are better off converting the Alprazolam dose into Diazepam and tapering with Diazepam only.

    The active metabolite in Diazepam lasts between 36 and 200 hours. Whereas Alprazolam's half life lasts only 6 to 12 hours. This will stop peaks and troughs and give you a 'smoother ride'.

    Why do you take Alprazolam as well as Diazepam?

    FYI, 10mg of Diazpeam is equivalent to 0.25mg of Alprazolam.
 
 
 
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